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Unconventional model aircraft drive systems?

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Andre - 22 Feb 2004 13:11 GMT
Hi group,

Has anyone build a "motor-less" model yet? That is, one without the
conventional turbines or motors, using some kind of solid-state drive
system?

I'm still trying to get my system to work, its based on the JLN Lifter
design but using some novel driver circuitry to get the required 50+
watts (28KV+ at 2mA)

Have come up with a few ideas but the main problem I am having is with
the multiplier stage which keeps burning out. Its not overload, I've
put a 1M resistor on the output and it worked for a while then failed
again.
It doesen't make sense, almost looks like the diodes are randomly
failing.

I'm using a cold cathode fluorescent tube (CCFL) driver which I have
modified to get the required 1600V p-p to drive the multiplier.

Any ideas? I was thinking along the lines of a "MARX Generator" using
high voltage thyristors as the switching elements.

-A
Bob Cowell - 22 Feb 2004 15:23 GMT
Gee,  I thought that this was what the :glider guiders" were doing now.

>Hi group,
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John R. Agnew - 22 Feb 2004 21:10 GMT
> Gee,  I thought that this was what the :glider guiders" were doing now.
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The Amberson Warp Drive is not available in model format?
Joko - 23 Feb 2004 20:45 GMT
>> Gee,  I thought that this was what the :glider guiders" were doing now.
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>The Amberson Warp Drive is not available in model format?

True, but carbon pile phase detractors work just as well to pump the
ion stream and they are pretty light being made of unobtanium.
Thomas Houseman - 23 Feb 2004 23:41 GMT
> >> Gee,  I thought that this was what the :glider guiders" were doing now.
> >>
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> True, but carbon pile phase detractors work just as well to pump the
> ion stream and they are pretty light being made of unobtanium.

I've been trying to source some of this unobtanium but am finding all my
usual suppliers are out of stock.  Any ideas?
Doug McLaren - 26 Feb 2004 16:44 GMT
| Has anyone build a "motor-less" model yet? That is, one without the
| conventional turbines or motors, using some kind of solid-state drive
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
| design but using some novel driver circuitry to get the required 50+
| watts (28KV+ at 2mA)

It's never a good sign when they can't explain how it works :)
Electrostatics are very well understood (and not really that
complicated), and so if they can't explain how something works, that
suggests that there's something funny going on.

Judging from the JFN lifter page
(http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm), it looks like this stuff
requires having electrodes below and probably above the thing you're
trying to lift.  Some of the pictures show this stuff, but many do not
-- but I suspect it's still there, just outside what is displayed in
the picture.

... which may be fine when you're trying to impress people by making
something float, but isn't practical for a real, useful craft.

That, and the equipment needed to generate the needed voltage seems to
weigh hundreds of times as much as the device they're making hover.

In short, I don't think this is going to work for you.  Even if you
can fix your power problem, I'll bet it's not going to make a useful
form of propulsion.  Something small like Newton's 3rd law is likely
to cause problems ...

Or maybe I'm just being too skeptical.  But I doubt it.

(Disclaimer: I do have a BS in Physics.  So I know enough about this
stuff to be dangerous, but there's people out there who know a whole
lot more.)

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Youth would be an ideal state if it came a little later in life.
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