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Balance point on a flying wing??

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astroflyer - 04 Apr 2004 14:17 GMT
Morning gents...

can anyone point me in the right direction for a balance point on a
flying wing.  Planform is similar to a Zagi...

cheers
Papa Sharptooth

Bouncing about the living room, my then three year old grandson
declared himself "a kangaroo".
"If you're a Kangaroo, what is Grampie", I ask.
His reply:  "you a dinosaur"
Morris Lee - 04 Apr 2004 14:47 GMT
> Morning gents...
>
> can anyone point me in the right direction for a balance point on a
> flying wing.  Planform is similar to a Zagi...

A Zagi balances, IIRC, about 8 1/4" from the nose.  However, not all wings
have the same sweep and taper, and yours may differ.  I think the Unicorn
balances around 10" from the nose.  Use TLAR and toss it a few times.

Morris
Gregg Uhlendorf - 04 Apr 2004 21:20 GMT
> Morning gents...
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> "If you're a Kangaroo, what is Grampie", I ask.
> His reply:  "you a dinosaur"

Around 25-30% of mean aerodynamic chord from the LE at center span is a
good starting point.

Try this calculator to find the CG position for you:
http://www.palosrc.com/instructors/cg.htm
DC3Gooney - 06 Apr 2004 11:08 GMT
>Around 25-30% of mean aerodynamic chord from the LE at center span is a
>good starting point.

Don't quote me on this (or anything else....), but I think
that's a good rule of thumb for a conventional plane only ~
The guys at my field who have flying wings claim that the
CG must be much farther forward than this.

Best advice I can offer is to find one that seems to work,
(it just landed) and ask the owner if you can poke your fingers
under it.

DC3
astroflyer - 06 Apr 2004 13:27 GMT
>>Around 25-30% of mean aerodynamic chord from the LE at center span is a
>>good starting point.
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>The guys at my field who have flying wings claim that the
>CG must be much farther forward than this.

that's what I suspected as well which is why I asked the question.
thanks.

MY son built one from depron and normal 30 percent showed up as real
tail heavy.  we wound up hanging the battery much further ahead than I
thought it should be.

cheers
Papa Sharptooth

Bouncing about the living room, my then three year old grandson
declared himself "a kangaroo".
"If you're a Kangaroo, what is Grampie", I ask.
His reply:  "you a dinosaur"
Gregg Uhlendorf - 07 Apr 2004 05:26 GMT
> >>Around 25-30% of mean aerodynamic chord from the LE at center span is a
> >>good starting point.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> tail heavy.  we wound up hanging the battery much further ahead than I
> thought it should be.

You guys are right. I was unaware of this difference. I just ran the
numbers from my son's Wingwarrior Raider(a 48" span Zagi clone). The
recommended CG range comes out to be approximately 20-22% of MAC.

The info on this CG calculator:
http://www.coloradogliders.com/centerofgravitycalculator.htm
also says 20-25% of MAC for flying wings vs 30-33% for conventional
craft. so I guess 20% would be a good place to start.
 
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