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Darren Earle - 08 Apr 2004 00:59 GMT
I have a bit of a problem with a couple of choices.

My old Airtronics TX and RX is starting to give me trouble.  I'm losing
significant range...thought it was a battery problem...new battery and still
have the same problem.  Thought it might be the RX antenna, so I replaced
it...no difference.  I'm convince now that it must have "slipped" out of
tune.  I will not trust it anymore.

Well, here are my choices:  I have a new Futaba Skysport with my NexStar.
I'm wondering if I should just buy a Futaba Rx and crystal to match my Tx
and use connector adapters for the Airtronic servos...this will cost me
about $100 or should I take a chance and buy a used Futaba RX and TX for
$100?  Any help is appreciated.

Darren
xman Charlie - 08 Apr 2004 01:10 GMT
> I have a bit of a problem with a couple of choices.
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> Darren

Get a spread spectrum setup. The best...

xman Charlie
Doug McLaren - 08 Apr 2004 16:25 GMT
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| > My old Airtronics TX and RX is starting to give me trouble.  I'm
| > losing significant range...

How do you know this?  Is the range check (with the antenna down) not
doing well?  (How far are you getting?)  Something else?

| > thought it was a battery problem...

Low batteries don't usually cause poor range.  Battery problems
usually manifest themselves as the batteries not lasting very long --
but they usually work fine for at least a little while after being
freshly charged.  Long enough to do a range check, anyways.

| > Thought it might be the RX antenna, so I replaced it...no
| > difference.

The RX antenna is just a wire -- of a specific length.  If you replace
it with something longer or shorter, you'll reduce your range.  Unless
it's been broken internally, it's not something you want to replace.

| > I'm convince now that it must have "slipped" out of tune.  I will
| > not trust it anymore.

It's prudent to not trust it.  But if you really want to know what
happened to it, you'll really need to send it to Airtronics and have
it fixed.  Even if they just replace it because they can't repair it,
the prices are usually at most half the price of new equipment.  (At
least with other vendors -- I've never dealt with Airtronics
personally.)

You could also bring your equipment down to the local club and ask
them about it.  I could probably help you narrow down what the problem
was (receiver, transmitter, batteries, etc.) in a few minutes, and so
I imagine somebody near you could do so as well.

| > Well, here are my choices:  I have a new Futaba Skysport with my NexStar.
| > I'm wondering if I should just buy a Futaba Rx and crystal to match my Tx
| > and use connector adapters for the Airtronic servos...

Are these the *really* old connectors that have wires sticking out of
the servo plugs?  If not, you don't need any adapters, though you
might need to pop out the wires from the current plugs and change the
order they're in.  (I seem to remember that airtronics servos were
wired differently.)  If you do have the old servo plugs, I'd suggest
cutting the old ones off and replacing them that way, but that's
harder to do properly and it might be safer for you (I assume you're
pretty new to all this) to just replace the servos -- they're
obviously pretty old anyways.  In any event, don't buy those adapters
-- they're just another thing to fail and they're expensive.

| > this will cost me about $100 or should I take a chance and buy a
| > used Futaba RX and TX for $100?  Any help is appreciated.

As long as you either 1) know what to look for, or 2) trust the person
selling you the equipment, used equipment is usually a very good deal.
If somebody in your club or a friend wants to sell you an old radio,
and he knows what he's doing and the price is right, do it.  You might
need to replace the batteries, but old equipment (as long as it's
post-1991) usually works just as good as new stuff.  But if you don't
know/trust the guy selling it, and can't tell if it's good yourself,
it's a bit dangerous.

If you do decide to go the `new receiver' route, keep in mind that you
can use Hitec receivers, and they're a good deal cheaper for the same
quality.  For example, if you go here --

  http://radicalrc.secure-mall.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cat=42&cart=151318

you can use the M-5 (not Hitec, but still a *great* receiver -- I have
about 6 of them now) for $55, or the Hitec Supreme 3200 for $60.  And
that includes the crystal.  Or any other receiver on this page will
work, as long as it says it works with Futaba.  (Except for the GWS
R4P or Plantraco park flier receivers.  And you probably don't want
the Ham band receivers.)

| Get a spread spectrum setup. The best...

Bad, bad advice.  From what I can tell, the commercial spread spectrum
R/C setups aren't even available yet -- all we've seen are prototypes.
Is *anybody* actually selling these things yet?  (as in now, today?)

In any event, there's considerable concern about interference and
range problems with any R/C controller that uses the 900 mHz or 2.4
gHz bands.  Alas, we don't really have any real world success or
failure stories to relate - we just don't know how well it'll work in
the real world.  Not having to worry about channel conflicts would
indeed be very nice, but I wouldn't suggest that a relative newbie
(I'm assuming that the original poster fits this category) should run
out and get these new things the moment they're available.  Let other
people work out the kinks first :)

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Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com
There's a pinch of the madman in every great man. --Unknown

jeboba - 08 Apr 2004 18:29 GMT
The M5 is 50 Mhz band only.

> ...
> | > My old Airtronics TX and RX is starting to give me trouble.  I'm
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> can use Hitec receivers, and they're a good deal cheaper for the same
> quality.  For example, if you go here --

http://radicalrc.secure-mall.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cat=42&cart=151318

> you can use the M-5 (not Hitec, but still a *great* receiver -- I have
> about 6 of them now) for $55, or the Hitec Supreme 3200 for $60.  And
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> Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com
> There's a pinch of the madman in every great man. --Unknown
Doug McLaren - 08 Apr 2004 21:41 GMT
| The M5 is 50 Mhz band only.

No, it's not.  Read the whole page -- not just the first item.

None of the 6 or so M-5s I have are ham band -- they're all 72 mhz
band.

| http://radicalrc.secure-mall.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cat=42&cart=151318
| >
| > you can use the M-5 (not Hitec, but still a *great* receiver -- I have
| > about 6 of them now) for $55

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Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com
`But officer, I was only trying to gain enough speed so I could coast
to the nearest gas station.'

Don Hatten - 08 Apr 2004 01:24 GMT
Send it into Airtronics for a checkup.

> I have a bit of a problem with a couple of choices.
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>
> Darren
The Natural Philosopher - 08 Apr 2004 11:46 GMT
> I have a bit of a problem with a couple of choices.
>
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> it...no difference.  I'm convince now that it must have "slipped" out of
> tune.  I will not trust it anymore.

If it has, and its entirely possible as things do age over time, a
simple tweak by  an equipped repair shop should restore it.

Even a new crystal for it might work wonders.

> Well, here are my choices:  I have a new Futaba Skysport with my NexStar.
> I'm wondering if I should just buy a Futaba Rx and crystal to match my Tx
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>
> Darren
jjvb - 08 Apr 2004 14:20 GMT
If you are going to spend $100 already, I would spend a little more and buy
a new lower-end computer radio.  The problem with using a standard radio on
more than one plane is that you may have to reverse servos and change trim
settings each time you switch planes.  A computer radio that can store
several planes would take care of that.  I personally don't buy used radio
equipment unless I know its history.  You could end up with one that works
worse than what you have.

If your airtronics setup isn't too old and you don't mind continuing to use
it, send it in to Airtronics or reputable radio repair place for a checkup.

John VB

> I have a bit of a problem with a couple of choices.
>
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>
> Darren
Pete Kerezman - 08 Apr 2004 18:30 GMT
>My old Airtronics TX and RX is starting to give me trouble.  I'm losing
>significant range...thought it was a battery problem...new battery and still
>have the same problem.  Thought it might be the RX antenna, so I replaced
>it...no difference.  I'm convince now that it must have "slipped" out of
>tune.  I will not trust it anymore.

 Send it to Airtronics.  This will likely be much less expensive than
some of the alternatives being discussed.

Texas Pete
 
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