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Removing Oil from Soaked Balsa

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Harry Sanchez - 15 Apr 2004 08:51 GMT
Good Morning.  I recently purchased a used trainer, and I noticed that
the MonoKote wasn't adhering to the bottom of the front of the fuselage
(beneath the engine bay).  I peeled the MonoKote off from this area, and
noticed that the whole bottom of the front was soaked in oil!  I figure
I will need to remove the oil from the wood before I can recoat this
area, but I'm not sure how to do that.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
Arne - 15 Apr 2004 13:04 GMT
By a can of k2 fabric cleaner and spray it on the area (that's what I do),
let it dry (it will turn white) and after a few hours, or overnight, brush
it off.... repeat till satisfied. Corn starch (or gold bond) might do the
same thing...

Arne

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> Good Morning.  I recently purchased a used trainer, and I noticed that
> the MonoKote wasn't adhering to the bottom of the front of the fuselage
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> Thanks,
> Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
MJC - 15 Apr 2004 14:00 GMT
   That's absolutely correct, it IS the best way to degrease balsa.
However, it's called "K2R" in case you have trouble finding it as "k2".
   Also note the subtle difference between the product called "K2R" and a
homebuilt aircraft called a "KR2". One removes spots, and the other creates
spots (on the ground at the end of a high speed stall :-)

MJC

> By a can of k2 fabric cleaner and spray it on the area (that's what I do),
> let it dry (it will turn white) and after a few hours, or overnight, brush
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> > Thanks,
> > Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
Six_O'Clock_High - 15 Apr 2004 19:03 GMT
FWIW,

Several years ago someone told me that "Fullers Earth" was the solid version
of K2R and could be found at pool supply houses.  Since then I have not had
any need so the information may not be good.

>     That's absolutely correct, it IS the best way to degrease balsa.
> However, it's called "K2R" in case you have trouble finding it as "k2".
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> > > Thanks,
> > > Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
Charles & Peggy Robinson - 15 Apr 2004 19:30 GMT
  Hay MJ , (hehe, rhyme intended)

  Actually, it's "K2r" with a little "r".  I happened to get out the
can for another lister, last week.  It's a spot remover for various
fabrics.  Can be hard to find.

  Cheers,

   CR

>     That's absolutely correct, it IS the best way to degrease balsa.
> However, it's called "K2R" in case you have trouble finding it as "k2".
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>>>Thanks,
>>>Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
Will Hicks - 15 Apr 2004 21:16 GMT
As I recall, the last time the topic came up, it can be found at Wal-Mart.
That's where I got mine.

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>    Hay MJ , (hehe, rhyme intended)
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> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
Morris Lee - 15 Apr 2004 13:24 GMT
> Good Morning.  I recently purchased a used trainer, and I noticed that
> the MonoKote wasn't adhering to the bottom of the front of the fuselage
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> Thanks,
> Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)

Harry,

K2R Spot Remover is probably the de-oiler of choice.  I've also done a DIY
version of it by mixing a slurry of denatured alcohol and corn starch,
applying it to the oily area, letting it dry, and either brushing or
vacuuming it off.  Some folks use kitty litter.  Heat seems to help, too.
I've tried to iron on some covering over oil-soaked wood and had the oil
boil out of it.  You can then wipe it off.  BTW, K2R can be found in the
cleaning supplies or laundry sections of grocery stores.

Morris

Morris
jjvb - 15 Apr 2004 13:53 GMT
Corn starch (baby powder) mixed with alcohol into a paste then spread on the
area.  Brush off after it dries and repeat if necessary.

John VB

> Good Morning.  I recently purchased a used trainer, and I noticed that
> the MonoKote wasn't adhering to the bottom of the front of the fuselage
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> Thanks,
> Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
Fred McClellan - 16 Apr 2004 01:14 GMT
>Good Morning.  I recently purchased a used trainer, and I noticed that
>the MonoKote wasn't adhering to the bottom of the front of the fuselage
>(beneath the engine bay).  I peeled the MonoKote off from this area, and
>noticed that the whole bottom of the front was soaked in oil!  I figure
>I will need to remove the oil from the wood before I can recoat this
>area, but I'm not sure how to do that.  Any ideas?

In addition to the K2r and corn starch remedies, you can also use an
iron and paper towels in the same way you remove candle wax from
fabric.

Fold the paper towels about four times, and iron it onto the
oil-soaked wood.  The heat will drive the oil out of the wood and the
paper towels will do what they do best.

It's the quickest way to remove the most oil in a hurry, but K2r may
be needed to get it all out.

Once you reach the point of diminishing returns, apply a coat of
Balsarite (for film or fabric to suit your new covering) to the wood.
The Balsarite is well-known for helping bond adhesive coverings to
previously-oiled wood.

Cheers,
Fred McClellan
The House Of Balsa Dust
http://home.mindspring.com/~the-plumber
Doug Dorton - 16 Apr 2004 04:05 GMT
K2r Spot Lifter is the best. It's a little hard to fine, but you can get it here:

http://65.18.207.26/store/product1761.html

And here's something that may work as well:

http://www.furniturestuff.com/Web%20Pages/SpraywaySpotlifter.asp

Spontex's K2r Spot-Lifter $3.99 for five ounces; 800-652-2002

> Good Morning.  I recently purchased a used trainer, and I noticed that
> the MonoKote wasn't adhering to the bottom of the front of the fuselage
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> Thanks,
> Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
Ed Cregger - 16 Apr 2004 05:38 GMT
My regimen for removing oil from soaked areas also included, in addition to
the K2R, an infra-red heat lamp, like the kind used in fast food shops to
keep sandwiches warm.

Of course, one has to be very careful with their use, but it does remove a
lot more oil than just K2R alone. The heat lamp should be used first and
paper towels should be used to sop up the oil that beads up on top of the
wood.

I have used this combo several times and I have reclaimed some models that
had everyone convinced that they should inhabit a landfill for eternity.

Again, be very careful with the heatlamp and do not leave it on unattended.
It's use makes a HUGE difference in how much oil is extracted.

Ed Cregger

> K2r Spot Lifter is the best. It's a little hard to fine, but you can get it here:
>
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> > Thanks,
> > Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
Six_O'Clock_High - 16 Apr 2004 17:05 GMT
Ed,
I have always wondered if a short visit to the microwave might accomplish
the same thing.  I normally use a heat gun and towel as step one because I
noticed that it did a better job than just the K2r.  I also have learned how
to cover in a manner that generally avoids oil soaking <VBG>.

> My regimen for removing oil from soaked areas also included, in addition to
> the K2R, an infra-red heat lamp, like the kind used in fast food shops to
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> > > Thanks,
> > > Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
Ed Cregger - 17 Apr 2004 09:08 GMT
> Ed,
> I have always wondered if a short visit to the microwave might accomplish
> the same thing.  I normally use a heat gun and towel as step one because I
> noticed that it did a better job than just the K2r.  I also have learned how
> to cover in a manner that generally avoids oil soaking <VBG>.

I have thought about using a heat gun, but never got around to using it,
because, like you, I learned to cover in such a manner as to preclude oil
soaking.

I also learned that some coverings appear to have many fine holes in them
that permits fuel to soak through even when properly applied. I avoid those
coverings these days.

Nice typing to you again, Jim.

Ed Cregger
Marion & Ray - 17 Apr 2004 16:12 GMT
Stick the front of the model in a bucket of kitty litter.  Let it set for about a week.  The kitty
litter will pull the oil out of  the wood .  I tried it.  It works.
Ray

> K2r Spot Lifter is the best. It's a little hard to fine, but you can get it here:
>
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> > Thanks,
> > Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
jeboba - 17 Apr 2004 16:40 GMT
Well MEOW! Really, great idea! Thanks!

> Stick the front of the model in a bucket of kitty litter.  Let it set for about a week.  The kitty
> litter will pull the oil out of  the wood .  I tried it.  It works.
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> > > Thanks,
> > > Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
Grey-hound - 17 Apr 2004 23:07 GMT
K2R works better if after a day or two you hit it with a heat gun.
Greyhound

> Stick the front of the model in a bucket of kitty litter.  Let it set for about a week.  The kitty
> litter will pull the oil out of  the wood .  I tried it.  It works.
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> > > Thanks,
> > > Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
Harry Sanchez - 19 Apr 2004 08:16 GMT
I would like to thank everybody for their thoughtful ideas.  I tried in
vain to find K2r anywhere here in Ventura County, so I tried the
cornstarch idea some of you suggested, and I was able to get most all of
the oil out.  The hobby shop I visited didn't have any Balsarite, but I
did find a white paste called Balsaloc, which looked like it did the
same thing.  I applied it onto the affected area, let it dry a few
hours, and then I was able to apply the MonoKote to the area.  The
MonoKote held.
    Now for the bad news:  The Fledgling trainer is history.  I spent
nearly an hour today getting the engine tuned properly so I could fly
it.  However, right after I took off and made a right turn away from the
pilot station, the plane went into a nasty spin and crashed!  My initial
assessment of the damage is a total loss of the airplane, since the
fuselage is broken in so many different areas.  The engine and radio may
be damaged but both look repairable.  Oh, well!  Maybe better luck with
another plane.

Again thanks to all,
Harry Sanchez

> Good Morning.  I recently purchased a used trainer, and I noticed that
> the MonoKote wasn't adhering to the bottom of the front of the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks,
> Harry Sanchez (hsanchez@jetlink.net)
John Alt - 19 Apr 2004 22:10 GMT
> I would like to thank everybody for their thoughtful ideas.  I tried in
> vain to find K2r anywhere here in Ventura County, so I tried the
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> be damaged but both look repairable.  Oh, well!  Maybe better luck with
> another plane.

I was able to squeeze out two more students on my Fledgling by rubber
banding a cut up beer can to the missing floor under the fuel tank.
Looked like hell, but flew ok. It was about a pound heavier from when it
was first finished by that point.
Fred McClellan - 19 Apr 2004 23:24 GMT
>I would like to thank everybody for their thoughtful ideas.  I tried in
>vain to find K2r anywhere here in Ventura County, so I tried the
>cornstarch idea some of you suggested, and I was able to get most all of
>the oil out.

<SNIP>

In the FWIW column, you might mention you're in California next time
you post a query.  Maybe save yourself some time looking for a product
you won't be able to find.

Many items available in the other 49 states cannot be had in
Kalifornia, and K2r is one of those products.

Cheers,
Fred McClellan
The House Of Balsa Dust
http://home.mindspring.com/~the-plumber
Herb  Winston - 20 Apr 2004 06:51 GMT
Sigh...so true.

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>>I would like to thank everybody for their thoughtful ideas.  I tried in
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Black Cloud - 20 Apr 2004 22:58 GMT
That's because everything has been found to cause cancer in the state of
Kalifornia and therefore is not safe for the average person to use despite
the fact that the rest of the countr is doing just fine.

JIm W

> Sigh...so true.
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> > The House Of Balsa Dust
> > http://home.mindspring.com/~the-plumber
The Raven - 21 Apr 2004 11:23 GMT
> That's because everything has been found to cause cancer in the state of
> Kalifornia and therefore is not safe for the average person to use despite
> the fact that the rest of the countr is doing just fine.

Sex, drugs, alcohol, and rock-n-roll are excluded from that CA list
apparently...........

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Six_O'Clock_High - 21 Apr 2004 17:30 GMT
> > That's because everything has been found to cause cancer in the state of
> > Kalifornia and therefore is not safe for the average person to use despite
> > the fact that the rest of the countr is doing just fine.
>
> Sex, drugs, alcohol, and rock-n-roll are excluded from that CA list
> apparently...........

That is because in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia, those things are
sacred.
David AMA40795 / KC5UH - 22 Apr 2004 03:38 GMT
Along with a bunch of gun-grabbing dummycrats.....

David

>> > That's because everything has been found to cause cancer in the state of
>> > Kalifornia and therefore is not safe for the average person to use
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>That is because in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia, those things are
>sacred.
 
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