hi
I'm almost ready to fly my first tail-dragger, I've flown mostly trike
geared planes.
can anyone tell me in what position the elevator should be in during rollout
to lift off ? This is a 1/4 scale cap 232.
Thanks in advance
mike
Ed Cregger - 28 Jul 2003 10:10 GMT
Barring any unforeseen abnormality in the landing gear setup, one taxis the
model by holding full up elevator when taxiing into the wind or crosswind.
This keeps the tailwheel on the ground and provides you with control. Some
models do just fine with the same technique taxiing downwind, some do not.
It depends on the wind velocity and the particular model. You only need to
hold enough elevator to keep the tail down on the ground. Experience will
teach you how much.
While feeding in throttle gradually, release the up elevator you have been
holding so that the elevator is neutralized in ten or so feet, taking care
to apply a bit of right rudder in anticipation of a swerving left turn that
will be induced by the rolling moment of the propeller. How fast you advance
the throttle greatly affects the amount of swerve you will notice.
If the balance point and incidences are where they should be, the model will
eventually rise into the air, or you can apply a slight amount of up
elevator to accomplish the feat. Once the aircraft is airborne, be sure to
release whatever residual right rudder you have been holding.
Each model has its own particular needs in order to accomplish the perfect
takeoff, but getting safely off the ground really isn't that difficult. Good
luck and good flying.
Ed Cregger
> hi
> I'm almost ready to fly my first tail-dragger, I've flown mostly trike
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> Thanks in advance
> mike
Tommy - 28 Jul 2003 10:19 GMT
Totally agree with Ed's comments.
My 1/4 scale Tiger Moth will nose over if I try to throttle up without
holding some up elevator. Slowly release up as the speed builds up. With the
correct trim, the model will lift of on its own as the speed increases.
I have cheated and fitted a Gyro to the rudder. Gives me super straight
takeoffs.
Regards
Tom Watson
Sydney Australia
> Barring any unforeseen abnormality in the landing gear setup, one taxis the
> model by holding full up elevator when taxiing into the wind or crosswind.
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> > Thanks in advance
> > mike
Six_O'Clock_High - 28 Jul 2003 15:37 GMT
> Barring any unforeseen abnormality in the landing gear setup, one taxis the
> model by holding full up elevator when taxiing into the wind or crosswind.
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> Ed Cregger
This method will work but there are a couple of other issues you need to be
aware of and think about before you try the first take off. Most
conventional (taildragger) beginners make on very serious and frequently
terminal error during that first takeoff attempt. That is insisting on
total directional control in the wrong manner.
As you bring the throttle up the plane will tend to veer off to one side (or
the other if there is a cross wind). Most beginners over correct and the
problem gets worse in the other direction and another correction is put in
and it gets worse again. This cycle is very frequently repeated until the
plane gets just enough airspeed to lift off and snap back into the ground.
For your first take off, get authorization from everyone else to stand
behind your plane so you can see what is happening and take the proper
actions. The next step is to understand and accept that you may not have
the skills to correct a deviation so that means you must have a plan. Here
is what you should use as it will work and help you get comfortable with
conventional geared birds. It is what I teach and use - I have set a
'standard' with a particularly nimble plane that many in my club don't fly
because it is difficult on take off.
The very first part plan is the most important and it is that you will chop
the throttle whenever the plane is clearly reaching the boundaries of
safety. The second part of the plan is that all you will do during the
takeoff run is to stop a deviation rather than correct it back to the runway
centerline. The following list is what will happen if you do otherwise
before you have learned all the 'tricks' of taildraggers.
1. When you do correct it back the plane is slow and the control limited so
the correction input is huge (relatively). This is a function of airspeed.
2. It becomes a problem because by the time the bird gets back to the
centerline, it is going further because the airspeed while not enough to fly
is still more than it was when the initial correction was put in and you
have to put in an opposite correction which will take less input than the
original correction took.
3. Go back to sentence #1 until the plane breaks ground with the rudder at
one limit or the other which causes a low level snap.
Please read this several times to understand and internalize it before you
put your plane at risk.
Good luck,
--
Jim Branaum
AMA 1428
Six_O'clock_High
Target_Lock@Guns.com
> > hi
> > I'm almost ready to fly my first tail-dragger, I've flown mostly trike
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> > Thanks in advance
> > mike
M-M - 29 Jul 2003 02:41 GMT
> > > hi
> > > I'm almost ready to fly my first tail-dragger, I've flown mostly trike
> > > geared planes.
> > > can anyone tell me in what position the elevator should be in during
> > rollout
> > > to lift off ? This is a 1/4 scale cap 232.
Neutral!
As soon as the airplane is starting takeoff, leggo of the elevator
completely! Only hold the tail down while taxiing. Once it is pointed
down the runway all you need to do is to advance the throttle and tweak
some right rudder.
Again- do not use the elevator! The plane will lift off on it's own when
the airspeed is right.
The more scale the plane, the more you must follow this.
m-m
Ed Cregger - 30 Jul 2003 11:22 GMT
This depends on how high and thick the grass is at my field. Sometimes a bit
of up is necessary to break free of the grass.
Ed Cregger
> > > > hi
> > > > I'm almost ready to fly my first tail-dragger, I've flown mostly trike
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> m-m
Paul McIntosh - 28 Jul 2003 10:27 GMT
You should start out with enough up elevator to keep the tail down for the
first few feet. This allows you to steer the plane with the tail wheel
until you get enough speed for the rudder to become effective. Then, ease
the elevator back to neutral and let the tail come up. Once you reach
flying speed, ease the elevator up again and take off!
--
Paul McIntosh
Desert Sky Model Aviation
http://fly.mcintoshcentral.com
> hi
> I'm almost ready to fly my first tail-dragger, I've flown mostly trike
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> Thanks in advance
> mike
pcoopy - 28 Jul 2003 23:13 GMT
Mike, all of the above is true but if you hammer the throttle none of
it works. Apply the throttle very gradually so the plane won't get
ahead of your reactions and pay particular attention to steer (force)
the plane to keep a straight takeoff run. I fly all taildraggers and
with the characteristics of each one somewhat different, the key is to
be very smooth and aware of small deviations from the center line of
the runway before they get big. Have fun!
Phil AMA609
> hi
> I'm almost ready to fly my first tail-dragger, I've flown mostly trike
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> Thanks in advance
> mike
Aileron37 - 29 Jul 2003 16:56 GMT
Don`t forget to practice practice practice. It also don`t hurt to sing the
Taildragons favorite song as you take off, OH I got a Tiger by the tail it`s
plane to see, and there won`t be much left when he`s through with me:) rick
markel
jim breeeyar - 30 Jul 2003 14:51 GMT
Have someone test fly the plane and show you how it is done. That will
get you close and takes the curse off it. I have a cub that flys itself
off the ground. I used to have problems with directional control because
i didnt read the winds correctly. Coming up too slow on the throttle in
a quartering wind gave me fits with directional control. Advancing
quicker gave me better control of rudder. More air blast on the rudder.
I dont have to lift the tail. IT comes up level automatically. Easy to
over control and ground loop. Depends on the type of wing . Throttle -
rudder- airspeed........ Make sure the thing tracks on the ground
correctly before starting engine and also both wheels spin freely.
> hi
> I'm almost ready to fly my first tail-dragger, I've flown mostly trike
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> Thanks in advance
> mike