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hairline crack in engine crankcase

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Pjtg0707 - 20 Apr 2004 18:54 GMT
Hi,

I got an old OS 120 Surpass pumped engine from a local swap meet recently,
and I noticed a very faint hairline  crack between the rear cover to the
the rear engine mounting hole. The crack is very faint, appearing more like
a surface scratch than a crack.

I am wondering if a crack in 4 stroke engine case is as important as in
2 strokes? The crankcase vent for this engine is routed to the intake manifold
of the engine.
Paul McIntosh - 20 Apr 2004 20:18 GMT
The crack is important because it was CAUSED by something.  Usually a crash
or failed bearings.  In either case, there was likely other damage.
Dismantle the engine and make sure every other part is OK, then replace the
case.

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Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
> Hi,
>
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> 2 strokes? The crankcase vent for this engine is routed to the intake manifold
> of the engine.
James Calivar - 21 Apr 2004 12:44 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> 2 strokes? The crankcase vent for this engine is routed to the intake manifold
> of the engine.

This would never have happened if you had an electric motor to begin with!

(gravy suit on)
Paul McIntosh - 21 Apr 2004 17:17 GMT
A smack in the ground that would crack  one of those tanks would destroy an
electric.

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Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
> > Hi,
> >
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>
> (gravy suit on)
Six_O'Clock_High - 21 Apr 2004 17:29 GMT
> > Hi,
> >
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>
> (gravy suit on)

You are 1/2 right.  Lots of other things (armatures, gear boxes and the
like) WOULD have been broken when the power plant leads the way to the
ground.
The Natural Philosopher - 21 Apr 2004 20:46 GMT
>>"Pjtg0707" <Pjtg0707@NOSPAM___n_e__t____s___ca__pe.__ne__t> wrote in
>>
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> like) WOULD have been broken when the power plant leads the way to the
> ground.

Don't be too sure. Electric motors are TOUGH. Generally the gearbox
takes the brunt.

Ok, shafts bend, but can be straightened.

Ot just by a new one. Can motors are Cheap. Its the packs you have to
protect...
RCPILOT48 - 21 Apr 2004 23:53 GMT
>I am wondering if a crack in 4 stroke engine case is as important as in
>>>>2 strokes? The crankcase vent for this engine is routed to the intake

All the inane electric comments aside, The answer to youe question is adefinite
maybe. Try running the engine on a test stand. Is it is a leak in the same
chamber as teh crankcase vent, it will probably be no problem. Measure it
before you run it and again after a few runs and see if it extends.  If it is
interfering with the running, look around for a repalcement crankcase. I had an
OS 90 4 stroke that was a remake of two dead engines. Ran it for about a year
on my Tiger 60.

Good luck, let us all know if  & how it runs. Andy

We can make a box of wood.....FLY!!
Pjtg0707 - 22 Apr 2004 21:55 GMT
>>I am wondering if a crack in 4 stroke engine case is as important as in
>>>>>2 strokes? The crankcase vent for this engine is routed to the intake
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>We can make a box of wood.....FLY!!

I took it apart and and checked the crank runout with a dial
indicator, and it was running true, so I ran it yesterday. It seemed
to run fine. The compression of the engine seemed to be as good as my
other 120 Surpass engines I have. I did not think the crack on the
bottom of the crankcase was all that important, sicne the crankcase
was vented to atmosphere anyway.

.I thought the hairline crack might not be from a crash, but perhaps
from metal fatigue.

I got the engine and mount for ~$100, mainly for the parts in the
pump, as they are virtually impossible to get from Tower or OS. But If
I am convinced the engine is reliable after a few more runs, I might
install it in my GP Gee Bee and fly it!
Paul McIntosh - 22 Apr 2004 23:07 GMT
Suppose the crankcase fails in flight.  Is it worth the risk?  I would just
get another crankcase amd make one GOOD engine with it.

--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com

> >>I am wondering if a crack in 4 stroke engine case is as important as in
> >>>>>2 strokes? The crankcase vent for this engine is routed to the intake
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> I am convinced the engine is reliable after a few more runs, I might
> install it in my GP Gee Bee and fly it!
Six_O'Clock_High - 23 Apr 2004 05:09 GMT
WHAT?  And take all the risk, er fun out of it?

> Suppose the crankcase fails in flight.  Is it worth the risk?  I would just
> get another crankcase amd make one GOOD engine with it.
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> > I am convinced the engine is reliable after a few more runs, I might
> > install it in my GP Gee Bee and fly it!
 
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