anyone familiar with this engine? I have tried everything but cannot get it to
run reliably at full throttle. I though the problem was an undersized fuel
line in the gas tank to th eclunk. Relaced it today along with all the fuel
lines, no difference...It idles fine, goes to about 50% throttle, that's ok,
anything above 50% it will die...I have messed with the carb settings to no
end and cannot get it to attain full throttle, it also dies going
vertical....Will run all day going straight and level at 1/2 throttle but that
ain't no fun!...Any help is appreciated.....
CRAngelo - 21 Apr 2004 00:54 GMT
>anyone familiar with this engine? I have tried everything but cannot get it
>to
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>that
>ain't no fun!...Any help is appreciated.....
Not really familiar with that engine, but sounds like you may have a
restriction (some fuzz or a speck of dirt) in the carburetor near the needle
valve. You might want to try removing the high speed needle valve and flush the
carb out with some glow fuel. Just put your fuel pump on the nipple where the
fuel line connects & give it a few pumps, in and out. If that doesn't help,
maybe try removing & cleaning the carb. Hope that helps !! Good luck. - Ray
Carrell - 21 Apr 2004 01:26 GMT
anyone familiar with this engine? I have tried everything but cannot get it
to
run reliably at full throttle. I though the problem was an undersized fuel
line in the gas tank to th eclunk. Relaced it today along with all the fuel
lines, no difference...It idles fine, goes to about 50% throttle, that's ok,
anything above 50% it will die...I have messed with the carb settings to no
end and cannot get it to attain full throttle, it also dies going
vertical....Will run all day going straight and level at 1/2 throttle but
that
ain't no fun!...Any help is appreciated.....
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I saw a thread on RCU that described a similar issue with an OS engine. The
suggestion of cause was that the low end may be set too lean and tghere's
not enough total fuel flow at full throttle. Recommended solution was
richen the bottom end a lot, even to thge point it won't idle without the
glow driver. Get the high speed set, then start working on the low end;
readjusting the high end after each adjustment to the low end.
I have a TT61Pro that was hard to start, wouldn't transition, general pain
in my tail. All of the 'experts' at the club said it's too rich on the
bottom and loading up. Leaning the low end didn't help. My brother and I
are not 'experts' and got to the field early one day and richened the low
end by 1/2 turn. Hmmm, a little better. Another 1/4 turn, not too bad. A
few more little tweaks richer and the engine starts instantly, idles,
transitions, an absolute pleasure.
Carrell
James Calivar - 21 Apr 2004 12:45 GMT
> anyone familiar with this engine? I have tried everything but cannot get it to
> run reliably at full throttle. I though the problem was an undersized fuel
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> vertical....Will run all day going straight and level at 1/2 throttle but that
> ain't no fun!...Any help is appreciated.....
May I suggest looking into a comparable electric motor? Much more powerful
and efficient, and just plain better.
(potato suit on)
J
Paul McIntosh - 21 Apr 2004 17:19 GMT
There is no comparable power suppy. Power and duration equal to the .75
would NOT be comparable in cost. It would take MANY gallons of fuel to come
near it.
(teflon suit on)
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
> > anyone familiar with this engine? I have tried everything but cannot get
> it to
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>
> J
Mike Wizynajtys - 21 Apr 2004 19:41 GMT
> There is no comparable power suppy.
Not true. In fact, I know of two people flying 33% Extras on electric power.
> Power and duration equal to the .75 would NOT be comparable in cost.
That's true.
> It would take MANY gallons of fuel to come near it.
And so is that.
The fact is that electric power systems have come far enough that
electric power naysayers have little to left to justify there
position...well other than cost. On small planes glow power dosen't even
make sense when comparing cost.
That said, you'd should have a pretty good working knowledge of electric
power systems before you decide to substitute an electric system for a
glow .75, or get a lot of help from someone who does.
> (teflon suit on)
(Birthday suit on)
Paul McIntosh - 21 Apr 2004 21:51 GMT
When you say comparable, you have to take in ALL the considerations, not
just power.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
> > There is no comparable power suppy.
>
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>
> (Birthday suit on)
Mike Wizynajtys - 21 Apr 2004 22:40 GMT
> When you say comparable, you have to take in ALL the considerations, not
> just power.
No I don't! I only have to look at the considerations that are important
to me. Power is one of them and I think it's one of the top
considerations for most people.
In my mind, the only true shortcoming of electric power (in a plane the
size a .75 glow engine would fly) is upfront cost. All other
considerations deal with personal preference.
Wiz
Paul McIntosh - 22 Apr 2004 00:38 GMT
We agree on that. Others wer say ing that COMPARABLE E-power is available.
I say only if you eliminate cost as a comparisin.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
> > When you say comparable, you have to take in ALL the considerations, not
> > just power.
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>
> Wiz
jjvb - 22 Apr 2004 14:13 GMT
Now if they could only make an electric motor sound like a 4-stroke
engine....
John VB
James Calivar - 21 Apr 2004 20:55 GMT
> There is no comparable power suppy. Power and duration equal to the .75
> would NOT be comparable in cost. It would take MANY gallons of fuel to come
> near it.
>
> (teflon suit on)
I agree, which is why I contend that electric is better. Why else do you
always see electric motors on giant scale planes?
(feather boa now in place)
Paul McIntosh - 21 Apr 2004 21:52 GMT
HUH? You ARE kidding right? Never saw electrics on giant scale.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
> > There is no comparable power suppy. Power and duration equal to the .75
> > would NOT be comparable in cost. It would take MANY gallons of fuel to
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>
> (feather boa now in place)
Mike Wizynajtys - 21 Apr 2004 22:33 GMT
> HUH? You ARE kidding right? Never saw electrics on giant scale.
Well, I wouldn't say they are the norm, but I've seen at least one giant
scale electric plane for several years in a row at Toledo. They were
different planes....not the same one every year. At this past Toledo
show I saw several giant scale electric's including one from Wendel
Hostettler.
I'm certain that by now you've heard that several high profile pattern
pilots are switching over to electric power. The price for them doing so
isn't low, so there must be some other compelling reasons like good
power, dependability, consistency, low noise, low vibration which
translates to greater dependability of other components on the airplane.
I know in Europe giant scale electrics are far more common than they are
here in the U.S. I think noise and fuel costs have driven the European
market.
For big planes, electric power is a luxury that isn't easily justified
by most hobbyists. But the days of electric powered RC planes being the
weak sister of glow powered ones are all but gone....at least for those
who care to look at what's possible with electric power.
Wiz
Paul McIntosh - 22 Apr 2004 00:37 GMT
I don't dispute any of that. What I do dispute is this statement:
> Why else do you
> always see electric motors on giant scale planes?
Always? How about a very small minority.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
> > HUH? You ARE kidding right? Never saw electrics on giant scale.
>
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>
> Wiz
Black Cloud - 22 Apr 2004 04:28 GMT
I would tend to agree that there is something in the high speed needle
spraybar. Try the glow fuel flush or I use compressed air (about 20-25psi)
to blow it out. If it is new there may be some machining filings or a burr
in the tube causing a disruption of fuel flow.
As far as large electric models go, there was an article in Fly RC a few
months ago that listed the cost for a .60 sized aerobatic A/C with the motor
costing around $300 and the batteries (2) costing $375 each. Of course the
ESC was another $275 or so. I can fly a LONG time for that much in glow fuel
on a .60 sized plane and not have to buy a new charger or worry about my
power supply catching fire if handled less than delicatly. Electric HAS come
a long way but until costs go down considerably, I'll stick with glow or gas
(even cheaper).
Jim W.
> anyone familiar with this engine? I have tried everything but cannot get it to
> run reliably at full throttle. I though the problem was an undersized fuel
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> vertical....Will run all day going straight and level at 1/2 throttle but that
> ain't no fun!...Any help is appreciated.....
Charles & Peggy Robinson - 23 Apr 2004 18:46 GMT
Gotta remember that the muffler is a mini tuned pipe. Sometimes when
the low speed needle is set too rich the engine can't "get on" the pipe.
I had this happen with a Tower .46 that I put back into service a
couple of weeks ago. It started and idled fine but but started to rev
up and died when the throttle was opened. This was with the glow
battery connected. Since it would start at idle without choking it
hadn't gone lean. So I leaned the low speed needle an eighth turn at a
time 'til it would rev up, then set the high speed normally. Then I
tried the pinch test at ldle. It died right away, so I opened the low
speed maybe 1/16th and flew it. It ran out the tank through three
flights, so it must be set pretty close. ;^)
You have to remember that the engine runs on the low speed needle up
until about 3/4 to 7/8 of the throttle travel.
Cheers,
CR
> anyone familiar with this engine? I have tried everything but cannot get it to
> run reliably at full throttle. I though the problem was an undersized fuel
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> vertical....Will run all day going straight and level at 1/2 throttle but that
> ain't no fun!...Any help is appreciated.....