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Balancing a biplane

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BÿkrDan - 22 Apr 2004 19:43 GMT
Hi;

I've tried to do a little research on blancing a biplane, but even so, it
seems two trains of thought emerge:

1)  Viewed from the top, consider the combined outline of both wings as a
single wing, and calculate the center of lift as you would for that single
wing.  It seems to me this method would disregard the leading edge of the
lower wing and the trailing edge of the upper wing, meaning you could move
either at will and not affect the center of lift.  That doesn't sound right
to me, unless the overlap renders that part of the wing less effective?
Maybe this is more of a rule-of-thumb method?

2)  Calculate the center of lift for each wing individually, then locate a
midpoint between the two, skewed toward the larger wing based on the areas
of the two.

Number two sounds like the preferred method to me.  Any thoughts on this, or
does anyone have a better idea?

The model, in case you're wondering, is something like a 14" Pitts S1-B.
I'm just setting it up for unpowered gliding at this point, so the main wing
incidence is 0-0, and I have a degree or two negative on the horizontal.

Thanks,
Dan.
Ted Campanelli - 22 Apr 2004 20:20 GMT
On 4/22/2004 2:43 PM Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these
great (and sometimes not so great) words of knowledge:

I can not find the URL for the site, but someone may be able to explain
this better.

Basically, it involved taking a piece of string and making a "figure 8"
between the top and bottom wings.  Where the lines crossed was the "CG".
 What I am no longer sure about is if there was details/adjustments for
varying chords on the wings.  Hopefully, someone will see this and be
able to provide better details.

> Hi;
>
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> Thanks,
> Dan.
Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 23 Apr 2004 02:49 GMT
>On 4/22/2004 2:43 PM Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these
>great (and sometimes not so great) words of knowledge:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>varying chords on the wings.  Hopefully, someone will see this and be
>able to provide better details.

Here's the criss-cross method for finding the Mean Aerodynamic
Chord of one wing:

<http://moleski.net/rc/WingMAC.htm>

Once you find the MAC, then you can place the CG between
25% to 33% of the MAC, project that back to the fuselage,
and come up with a good starting point for flight tests.

The rules for finding the CG of a biplane can be found on
the AMA web site.  See the link at the bottom of the page
above.

                    Marty
BÿkrDan - 23 Apr 2004 17:29 GMT
Thanks for the links, guys.

So, it looks like the consensus is "consider the outline of both wings as a
single wing and balance it as such".

Will do.
Dan.

> >On 4/22/2004 2:43 PM Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these
> >great (and sometimes not so great) words of knowledge:
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Marty
RCFlyerNYC - 24 Apr 2004 14:50 GMT
I read that you measure the distance from the top wing LE to the bottom wing
TE. Subtract 25% from that and you will have the balance point .
Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 24 Apr 2004 21:16 GMT
>I read that you measure the distance from the top wing LE to the bottom wing
>TE. Subtract 25% from that and you will have the balance point .

That would work fine if both wings are rectangular in planform.

You need to do a little more work if the wings are oddly shaped.

                        Marty
 
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