Hi all,
I'm building a Great Planes Extra 300s .60 size and am now contemplating
powerplants. The choice has come down to either the OS 91 FX or the Super
Tigre G90.
On the up side I have never had any relaibility problems with OS engines but
the down side is that here in Australia it is nearly $200 dollars dearer
than the Super Tigre. $200 is a lot of money to me at the moment.
I once owned a Super Tigre g51 once and power wise it impressed me. But
getting the low speed needle settings correct was an all out BITCH!! I had
numerous unannounced engine outs until I got it kinda sorted.
Where are Super Tigres now made? Italy?? That would explain it... Kinda like
a Ducati I once owned. Impressive as anything but really high maintenance.
I've spent a LOT of effort building this Extra and any input would be
greatly appreciated.
Regards
Shannon
Geno - 23 Apr 2004 02:43 GMT
Have you ever thought of a 4 stroke? I have the same plane with a saito 150
and it is a sweetheart. Does everything well.
> Hi all,
> I'm building a Great Planes Extra 300s .60 size and am now contemplating
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> Regards
> Shannon
Shannon Parker - 23 Apr 2004 10:28 GMT
Hi,
Yup, have thought of a 4 stroke and would prefer to go that way. But here's
the unfortunate news in Australia. The cheapest I can buy a saito 150 for is
$749.00 or about $549 U.S dollars
Alternatively a Super Tigre g90 is $259 or about $190 U.S dollars. Tower
hobbies lists for $129.00
Or a O.S 91 FX is $444.00 or $325 U.S. dollars. Compare that to Tower
Hobbies listing at $199.00
Now what I'm really trying to find out is if the O.S. engine is $185 dollars
better. I know O.S. Engines and have had nothing but success with them. But
The G51 Super Tigre I owned was a good thing too. Just had a very fiddly
carb to set up. $185 dollars buys the servo's and Rx for the model.......
Ahh decisions.....
ANY info greatly appreciated!!
Regards
Shannon
> Have you ever thought of a 4 stroke? I have the same plane with a saito 150
> and it is a sweetheart. Does everything well.
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> > Regards
> > Shannon
Alan Harriman - 25 Apr 2004 17:07 GMT
>Hi,
>Yup, have thought of a 4 stroke and would prefer to go that way. But here's
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>Or a O.S 91 FX is $444.00 or $325 U.S. dollars. Compare that to Tower
>Hobbies listing at $199.00
I'm running a Saito .91 in my GP Extra 300 (60 size). It's an excellent flying
plane, and a real sweetheart of an engine. And equipped with a Slimline pitts
muffler, it's probably the quietest engine I've heard. The .91 has plenty of
power for my style of flying (tending toward the smooth and graceful, not the
herky-jerky) I believe the engine goes for about $239 US.
Alan Harriman
>Now what I'm really trying to find out is if the O.S. engine is $185 dollars
>better. I know O.S. Engines and have had nothing but success with them. But
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>> > Regards
>> > Shannon
Shannon Parker - 25 Apr 2004 22:22 GMT
Thanks Alan,
Yes the saito 91 would be lovely. My flying is similar to yours... Grace and
style not crazy 3d maneuvers that no real aircraft would do. Hence the Extra
and not some 3D thing.
I hadn't thought about a 91 fourstroke. I was concerned that it may be
underpowered. Thanks. I'll check it out. The quiet aspect appeals as well...
So many choices..... ;-)
Regards
Shannon
> >Hi,
> >Yup, have thought of a 4 stroke and would prefer to go that way. But here's
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> >> > Regards
> >> > Shannon
A.T. - 23 Apr 2004 09:22 GMT
Have you checked out the new Thunder Tiger Pro-90 [and FWIW the Bearcat]?
http://www.acehobby.com/acehobby/
Given the well recommended strengths of the Pro .46 and Pro .61 on this
newsgroup, one would expect the Pro-90 to out value the OS & ST.
regards
Alan T.
Alan's Hobby, Model & RC Web Links
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~atong
> Hi all,
> I'm building a Great Planes Extra 300s .60 size and am now contemplating
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> Regards
> Shannon
Shannon Parker - 23 Apr 2004 10:34 GMT
Hi,
I have no experience with the larger Thunder Tiger engines but I do own a
GP15. Could never get it to run consistently. Piece of SH*T. So I stripped
it to see what the hell was going on and the lower carb body was cracked.
From new and was leaking air. Shop I bought it from is no longer (bust) so
...
Once bitten twice shy???
Regards
Shannon
> Have you checked out the new Thunder Tiger Pro-90 [and FWIW the Bearcat]?
> http://www.acehobby.com/acehobby/
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> > Regards
> > Shannon
Paul McIntosh - 23 Apr 2004 11:20 GMT
Thunder Tiger engines have a well deserved good reputation in the US. I
doubt that the cracked carb body was indicative of their general quality.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
> Hi,
> I have no experience with the larger Thunder Tiger engines but I do own a
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> > > Regards
> > > Shannon
jjvb - 23 Apr 2004 14:23 GMT
The new Super Tigre engines are built in China. I can't comment on the
quility. There have been some complaints with the OS 91 FX in some of the
forums. I can't remember any details. You may want to browse rcuniverse or
rcgroups to see if you can find anything. I know you are looking for a 90,
but I bought a GMS 76 for a 66 inch Edge and have been very satisified with
it.
John VB
> Hi all,
> I'm building a Great Planes Extra 300s .60 size and am now contemplating
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> Regards
> Shannon
Shannon Parker - 23 Apr 2004 23:12 GMT
Thanks.
I'm certain that the extra 300 would fly well on a 60 ish size.
Its just that I know its better to have a large engine working easily than a
smaller engine working hard. Sounds better too and gives you a better choice
of props..... Doesn't appear to be a weight penalty either.
Shannon
> The new Super Tigre engines are built in China. I can't comment on the
> quility. There have been some complaints with the OS 91 FX in some of the
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> > Regards
> > Shannon
pe reivers - 23 Apr 2004 14:39 GMT
The new Supertigres are assembled in China, using Italian parts.
The old buggy carbs have been fixed using the mods that we found out.
I still have a mod report on my web pages.
Google for: reivers digital garden
Pé
> Hi all,
> I'm building a Great Planes Extra 300s .60 size and am now contemplating
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> Regards
> Shannon
Stu Knowles - 23 Apr 2004 22:51 GMT
I bought my first OS the first since a 40 FSR in the early 90's, the 91FX,
last year after leaving OS engines for cheaper alternatives. I now think
that I have wasted money and airframes, broken by engine failure over
several years, by not sticking with OS.
The 91FX is a real beauty and worth every penny of what it costs in the UK.
(I'm guessing, but without looking, I would day that its more than half as
much again as the new chinese ST90)
It starts easily by hand, has oodles of power and is reliable as a good
wristwatch. ST have been telling people that there was nothing wrong with
their carbs for years, but they nearly all rich cut at low speed although,
if you get one sorted, they are good engines. Part of the problem is that
their own istructions are downright misleading.
If its a valuable airframe into which you have invested time, the OS is by
far the best choice.
Each to their own, but I stand by what I say
Stu K
> The new Supertigres are assembled in China, using Italian parts.
> The old buggy carbs have been fixed using the mods that we found out.
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> > Regards
> > Shannon
Shannon Parker - 23 Apr 2004 23:17 GMT
Thanks Stu.
You pretty much reflect my sentiments exactly. Learning that ST's are now
manufactured in China fills me with dismay. Not that I think that the
quality will be poor but my Karma struggles with the whole china human
rights sweatshop routine. Wish I'd kept that old ST of mine as a keepsake.
Same as I wish I'd kept my 1984 900s2 Ducati. Its something about the
Italians and engines...
I'm sold. I'm just going to have to suck it in and save for the OS engine.
Regards
Shannon
> I bought my first OS the first since a 40 FSR in the early 90's, the 91FX,
> last year after leaving OS engines for cheaper alternatives. I now think
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> > > Regards
> > > Shannon
jeboba - 24 Apr 2004 18:25 GMT
Where do you think a lot of the other engines are coming from these days?
> Thanks Stu.
> You pretty much reflect my sentiments exactly. Learning that ST's are now
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> > > > Regards
> > > > Shannon
Shannon Parker - 25 Apr 2004 22:26 GMT
Yes I know... Its depressing. No reflection on the country but a reflection
on greed and how we sometimes unthinkingly exploit developing nations for
financial gain... Off my soapbox now.... ;-)
Shannon
> Where do you think a lot of the other engines are coming from these days?
scooter - 24 Apr 2004 15:34 GMT
The ST is good if you replace the carb with an OS carb. It gets rid of all
that Funkey stuff. I have used as OS 60 size carb on a 90 size ST and it
runs great. The bore holes (venturi) are very close.
> Hi all,
> I'm building a Great Planes Extra 300s .60 size and am now contemplating
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> Regards
> Shannon
Shannon Parker - 25 Apr 2004 22:30 GMT
Thanks Scooter.
Here's how I feel about it... If I plonk down my cash on something I want it
to work. I don't want to have to spend MORE money on a further carb to sort
it out. Just seems crazy to me. I HATE, with a passion of two men, poor
design. Poor design is a sign of laziness and companies that just wan't to
take your money without consideration that you may want to actually rely on
the product to work...
In the words of Neil Young..... When I got it home it was a peice of
crap....
Shannon
> The ST is good if you replace the carb with an OS carb. It gets rid of all
> that Funkey stuff. I have used as OS 60 size carb on a 90 size ST and it
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> > Regards
> > Shannon
jeboba - 24 Apr 2004 18:26 GMT
Go with the Tigre! I love my tiger .90. I don't think Towerhobbies would
sell the new tigres if they weren't OK.
> Hi all,
> I'm building a Great Planes Extra 300s .60 size and am now contemplating
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> Regards
> Shannon
Shannon Parker - 25 Apr 2004 22:32 GMT
Nah.... I was decided on the OS 91 but now I'm going to investigate a four
stroke. Probably a saito of O.S. 91... Decisions..
Shannon
jjvb - 26 Apr 2004 14:26 GMT
You will not be disappointed with a Saito. However, I would opt for the
Saito 100 if you are worried about enough power. The 91 should be adequate,
but the 100 is a nice engine. Throw another choice into the mix!!
John VB
> Nah.... I was decided on the OS 91 but now I'm going to investigate a four
> stroke. Probably a saito of O.S. 91... Decisions..
> Shannon
mn - 24 Apr 2004 18:56 GMT
> Hi all,
> I'm building a Great Planes Extra 300s .60 size and am now contemplating
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> Regards
> Shannon
I don't have personal experience with G90 but I do own an FX91 engine.
Per my experience the FX91 engine is a high performance engine but it
can be quite finicky as well. In the early days of this engine a lot
of people experienced problems with air leaking through the needle
valve O-ring seals. Many of these folks had to switch to 3rd party
carbs like Perry. In my experience although I had a later version of
the engine, I had to install a perry fuel pump to make the engine work
(this was mostly an installation issue). Other than this, the FX91
also has a part throttle exhaust tone, something like a crackling
sound, that can be annoying. This is normal for this engine but I find
it quite distracting. From what I have read and seen in the field, the
G90 does not have the same power as the OS engine. It's also heavier
but given the issues with the FX91 engine, I'll say you'll be better
off with the G90 engine.
mn - 25 Apr 2004 16:11 GMT
> > Hi all,
> > I'm building a Great Planes Extra 300s .60 size and am now contemplating
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> but given the issues with the FX91 engine, I'll say you'll be better
> off with the G90 engine.
Yesterday I talked to the guys at the field and the ones that use G90
were somewhat uncertain about the current quality of G90 engines so
I'll have to take back my recommendation. I know price is quite an
issue but if possible you should consider a 4-stroke engine -
something like a YS110 engine. A 4-stroke engine certainly has its own
issues but the reason that I like them is that they have a wider RPM
operating range and at low speeds, the propeller acts like a wind
brake. This makes landings easier especialy with a slick aircraft such
as your extra 300.
Shannon Parker - 25 Apr 2004 22:39 GMT
Hi,
Thanks for the help. You know I had almost certainly decided on a OS 91FX
but now I'm not so sure. I think I may be doing some research into 4
strokes. I really like the idea of swinging a big prop, low noise and
perhaps a fuel pump.. Its just the cost that I find prohibitive... But I'd
like to keep this model for a long time so maybe Its time to suck it in and
invest a little. I wonder if it is necessary to put a BIG 110 to 120 4
stroke in the nose of the extra?? Surely a .91 4 stroke would haul it around
Okay? I don't wish to Hover or Harrier the thing, more scale like aerobatics
for me..... I have a dazzler for that.
I previously had a 40 size extra (until it clapped hands... my fault) and a
46fx hauled it around wonderfully. Mmmmm More food for thought!
Regards
Shannon
mn - 26 Apr 2004 03:19 GMT
> Hi,
> Thanks for the help. You know I had almost certainly decided on a OS 91FX
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> Regards
> Shannon
The Fx91 engine is "light" as it's a bored out FX60 engine. The YS110
is lighter than its predecessor, YS90, but it certainly weighs more
than the OS FX91 engine. But given the that fact you have a fuel pump
on the YS engine, you could mount the fuel tank further aft. In fact
some people mount the fuel tank right on CG with their YS engines.