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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / May 2004Gas (Petrol !) Prices UK
How does 78 pence a litre in the UK seem to you ? That is £3.55 per UK gallon or I think £2.96 per US gallon - at an exchange rate of $1.75 to the UK pound that is $5.18 per US gallon. Way to go ........ !! Colin UK gas prices would be roughly equivalent to US prices if it was taxed at the same rate. 75% of the price of gas in the UK is taxes. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > How does 78 pence a litre in the UK seem to you ? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Colin Do they have income tax? If so how does it compare to US income tax? > UK gas prices would be roughly equivalent to US prices if it was taxed at > the same rate. 75% of the price of gas in the UK is taxes. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > Colin > Do they have income tax? If so how does it compare to US income tax? Every tax in the UK is about 10 times what it is in the US. You get taxed here for just breathing Fresh air. My gross pay is around GBP 1800 a month, I take home around 1400 a month. I also pay about GBP 1 on every bottle of wine I buy GBP 3 on every gallon of fuel I buy. Everything else I buy is subject to 17.5% VAT. Oh don't forget the tax I pay on my company car. I'm sure someone else can add to this list. >>Do they have income tax? If so how does it compare to US income tax? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > forget the tax I pay on my company car. > I'm sure someone else can add to this list. As I said, about 60% of GDP goes to the government. About 80% of it goes to pay people who then decide what if anything, to do with the last 20%. I have long been an advocate of simp.ly giving it back to everyone as a falt national income, completely regardless of anything, and letting them spend it where they will. Of course this throws about 25-30% of te labour force who used to work in the civil service out of work, but as long as heroin is immediatelty legalised and made avaialable at sufficiently low prices, they can sit at home and watch reality TV stoned out of their minds, thus allowing the scarce resources of the country to be better utilised for those who actually contribute something. With habits easily fed at minimal cost, street crime will be far lower. With most people at home, traffic congestion and parking will be hugely eased. Not to mention an instant improvement in oil consumption and pollution. Sadly it will never happen: The international criminal drig trafficking organsiations feed far too much cash into 'anti-drug' lobbies... to keep them illegal, and the 30% of people who are employed by the government are hardly likely to vote themselves out of work either... It's difficult at best to try to compare tax rates between the US and Europe. The main reason being that different benefits are obtained through those taxes. Last I knew, Germany collected for the recognized churches through a tax (and if you didn't claim a religion, your cash went to the government). England has socialized medicine which is paid for through taxes (didn't say it was good, just that they have it). Most European countries have excellent mass transit which is no doubt subsidized through taxes. And I believe all of them have some form of welfare and state sponsored retirements. All from taxes! And the list goes on! Sure there's bloating, corruption, excess and the like in all the systems. But the bottom line is, you have to look at your system and decide if you're getting your moneys worth. Then you have to look at others and decide if you want to pay twice something else is really worth in order to have your government provide and manage it for you. I'll stick with the US. At the very least, I understand it best of all the systems out there. > Do they have income tax? If so how does it compare to US income tax? > > UK gas prices would be roughly equivalent to US prices if it was taxed at [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > > > Colin C O Jones makes some good points ..... Yes in the UK you can qualify for a state retirement pension if you pay your National Insurance for long enough - but is is a fairly miserable sum - something like £100 per week max I think. And then you have to pay from that the Local Council Tax - which in my case is £34 per week ! And on Healthcare the UK National Health Service is riddled with delay and inefficiency - two years ago my Mother nearly had to queue to get into a Hospice ward for what turned out to be her last 10 days of life ........ they even gave me the bottles of morphine to treat her in case she could not get into the Hospice. And our public transport system in the UK is pretty much now needing complete renewal - delays are endemic. And our roads are very congested and full of potholes. And all the time our politicans are telling us how well we are doing, and our dear Chancellor keeps introducing yet another steath tax on some item or other that he hopes we will not notice. It is difficult to see how things have 'improved' at all for at least the last five years in the UK Colin >It's difficult at best to try to compare tax rates between the US and >Europe. The main reason being that different benefits are obtained through [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> > > >> > > Colin The NHS is great for the every day stuff like cuts and scrapes and sore throats but horrible for catastrophic problems. Pretty much all of Europe has similar systems but theirs seem to operate a lot better. Brits are now being sent to France for major treatment as the NHS just can't provide the service. When I was diagnosed with severe kidney stones (in Finland of all places!), the NHS system just wanted to keep running totally unrelated test (Barium enemas???). I booked a flight back to the US, saw my family doctor and was in the hospital 4 days later getting treatment. Sure, it cost me $1500 for the hospitalization, but at least I could get it taken care of. Insurance covered nearly all of it. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > C O Jones makes some good points ..... > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > >> > > > >> > > Colin > The NHS is great for the every day stuff like cuts and scrapes and sore > throats but horrible for catastrophic problems. What a load of crap !!! I have *never* received poor treatment or been involved in long waiting times for treatment. On numerous occasions my doctor has diagnosed a problem that he wishes to refer to a consultant. The appointment to see consultants has always come within a few days, unless urgent when I would be told to go straight up to the hospital. A relative experienced a severe problem that local consultants couldn't do anything with. Within a week she was being seen by the top cosultant in that field in this country. Because the case was fairly serious she was sent to the opposite end of the country to get the best consultant in England.. he operated and performed a minor miracle... the video that was taken of the operation is used as a teaching aid in various hospitals... total cost ??? Train ticket to London and a couple of nights hotel bill while she awaited the operation. The finite resources of the Health Service are being stretched because more things are now treatable and people are living longer... older people tend to be more frail... a growing percentage of the population is elderly... A lot of people choose to live in very densely populated areas of England and then complain about the wait for services !!! How many houses are they proposing building in the south east and how is that going to affect hospital waiting times down there ??? I choose to live in a more civilised area of England where life is much more pleasant and relaxed... average commute time is 10 - 15 minutes here. Reg > Pretty much all of Europe has similar systems but theirs seem to operate a > lot better. Brits are now being sent to France for major treatment as the [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] >> >> > > >> >> > > Colin >>The NHS is great for the every day stuff like cuts and scrapes and sore >>throats but horrible for catastrophic problems. > > What a load of crap !!! I have *never* received poor treatment or been > involved in long waiting times for treatment. I have, both. Took a year to get some hernias patched. Still rips up and is uncomfortable. Father in law went in for internal endoscope examination, and nearly died when they nicked a bit of his bladder, sent him home and he got a raging bacterial infection. A LOT depends where you live. On numerous occasions my > doctor has diagnosed a problem that he wishes to refer to a consultant. > The appointment to see consultants has always come within a few days, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > was taken of the operation is used as a teaching aid in various > hospitals... total cost ??? Lucky him/her. Sometimes its t'other way about. > Train ticket to London and a couple of nights hotel bill while she > awaited the operation. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > more pleasant and relaxed... average commute time is 10 - 15 minutes > here. Indeed. I agree. I wish all those northeern batsdards would bugger off back to oop north where they came from so we could have the south back again :-) And take coronation street with them. Bloody eck, I listened (not watched) an episode for teh first time ever whilst building a model the other month. Talk about role models. Makes Trisha look like some kind of normality show. > Reg > > >>The NHS is great for the every day stuff like cuts and scrapes and sore > >>throats but horrible for catastrophic problems. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > A LOT depends where you live. And whether the doctor and you speak the same language! >>>>The NHS is great for the every day stuff like cuts and scrapes and sore >>>>throats but horrible for catastrophic problems. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > And whether the doctor and you speak the same language! Hey, my aneasthetist was an Iraqi, and boy, I've never met a better drug dealer. What a rush :-) The last thing I said was "Jesus Christ!", but he didn't seem offended cos I am still here :-) >> What a load of crap !!! I have *never* received poor treatment or been >> involved in long waiting times for treatment. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > died when they nicked a bit of his bladder, sent him home and he got a > raging bacterial infection. Been there, done that.. too embarrased to wear the tea shirt though >:-) No problems encountered. > A LOT depends where you live. True, our modern hospital serves the 65,000 or so locals and also takes people from a large surrounding area. Main problem for some patients is due to living in areas with relatively poor access. Ambulance times can be 25 minutes or more in some of the harder to get to areas. I had a problem a couple of years ago and the ambulance arrived in 7-8 minutes and I was straight into casualty 12 minutes later. Within another 30 minutes I was in bed on a high dependency unit and being examined by a consultant and his team. That was after initial diagnosis in casualty and X-rays on the way through the hospital. On the few occasions where I have needed operations (sports injuries) I have never had to wait long and have had superb treatment. >> A relative experienced a severe problem that local consultants couldn't >> do anything with. Within a week she was being seen by the top cosultant >> in that field in this country. > Lucky him/her. Sometimes its t'other way about. It is a standard of service that I have seen many times over the years. There is no doubt waiting lists for routine operations such as hip replacements, cataracts and non essential surgery. Backlogs easily build up.For instance.. a surgeon is due to use an operating theatre all day for hip replacements., another theatre is booked all day for eye operations and yet another is doing minor non-emergency operations..... Then the 5 seriously injured victims of a 2 vehicle road accident are brought in and need immediate surgery .... one operating theatre gone. Next.. a man who has collapsed, been resuscitated by the ambulance crew and is taken straight into surgery for a triple by-pass to save his life. two operating theatres tied up. Next comes the guy who was run over by a tipper lorry and has multipal crush injurys to his chest and abdomen.... 3 theatres gone. Three theatres and the requisite surgeons and theatre staff have been tied up for most of the day with incoming, life threatening emergencies. All the scheduled operations for the day have had to be postponed. What will tomorrow bring to disrupt the operation schedule ? Seven lives have been saved and the hip, eye, minor ops go back another day ! >> I choose to live in a more civilised area of England where life is much >> more pleasant and relaxed... average commute time is 10 - 15 minutes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > back to oop north where they came from so we could have the south back > again :-) Take heart... they are only down there to see if it really is as bad as its made out.. don't normally stop long and never go back >:-) > And take coronation street with them. Bloody eck, I listened (not > watched) an episode for teh first time ever whilst building a model the > other month. Talk about role models. Makes Trisha look like some kind of > normality show. Only Sun readers and other people of subnormal intelligence watch that or any other soap opera. Who or what the heck is Trisha ? On a good week with something worth watching..... our T.V. is only on for 3, maybe 4 hours a *week*... that's a good week and there aren't many of those. One thing the U.K is catching up with the U.S.A. on is the T.V in both is *absolute* rubbish. Time they went back to broadcasting for just a few hours a day and made some quality programs instead of the total rubbish they spew out to cover all the hours on air. Reg Well - I might as well poor a bit more petrol onto Reg's flames. He seems to be a really lucky bunny. Bet even his planes have some sort of net to catch them when they fall out of the sky. I don't know which Northern utopia he lives in but it certainly isn't the Southern one that that discharged my Mother from Hospital when she was still vomiting - nor the one that left a blood pressure cuff on her for 45 minutes. Nor the one that nealry refused to re-admit her on the GP's advice on Boxing day when she was dangerously dehydtrated. Only took me seven harrowing hours to sort that one. Must be one of those Northern places that Labour diverts South East tax funds to. I suppose it is one way to keep the Northern electorate faithfull!! And successfully from what Reg has to say. CW >>>The NHS is great for the every day stuff like cuts and scrapes and sore >>>throats but horrible for catastrophic problems. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >> Reg >> > Well - I might as well poor a bit more petrol onto Reg's flames. > He seems to be a really lucky bunny. Bet even his planes have some > sort of net to catch them when they fall out of the sky. Nets... don't need 'em all you need do is learn how to land, and use foamies where the ground is covered in boulders. > I don't know which Northern utopia he lives in The one that attracts millions of tourists from all over the world, and is regarded worldwide as being one of the most beautiful places on this planet !!! >but it certainly > isn't the Southern one that that discharged my Mother from [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > was dangerously dehydtrated. Only took me seven harrowing hours to > sort that one. My mother's case was the exact opposite... phoned doctor before lunch. He came to her house early afternoon, he then contacted consultant at hospital. Consultant came to our house around 4.30 pm. Mother in hospital by 6pm. After 2 weeks she was admitted to a nursing home straight from the hospital. When her condition deteriorated a few months later she was again admitted to hospital... 2 weeks later she was sent from the hospital into the local hospice.... her treatment and care were not unusual for this area. >Must be one of those Northern places that Labour > diverts South East tax funds to. I suppose it is one way to keep > the Northern electorate faithfull!! And successfully from what Reg > has to say. > > CW If that is true then be thankful that the rich are helping to support others, because from all accounts only the very rich can afford to live within a reasonable (2 hour) commute of London.... that is why essential services workers can't afford to live there... hence poor services ??? The government is proposing moving around 10,000 civil servants (or at least their jobs if they won't move) out of London and placing them in the north. Now that should cause some fun in the ranks of those who don't even have a clue as to the quality of life we enjoy here. Not just my views.. we have a number of southerners who relocated here and they are amazed at the benefits of living here and the friendliness they encounter. A 5 minute walk from home gives me 11 miles of golden sands to walk along. A few minutes drive 5 min in one case and 12 minutes for the other takes me to 2 wild and unspoilt nature reserves. A 20 minute drive puts me on top of my favourite slope soaring site with superb scenery laid out below and all around me... some days I bring the slope soarer down and just sit and admire the beauty... 30 minutes drive takes me to the heart of possibly the most beautiful area on this planet. We also have the areas the tourists don't know about, beautiful valleys and hills where you can wander all day and seldom encounter anyone else. Of course we don't have the M25 or congestion charges... but Hey, nowhere is perfect >:-) Reg > >>The NHS is great for the every day stuff like cuts and scrapes and sore > >>throats but horrible for catastrophic problems. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > > Reg when you come right down to it, there does not seeme to be a WORKABLE solution to anything. That's discouraging. If the care is so good, why did I have to wait over 6 months for them to do all kinds of UNNECESSARY tests for my kidney stones? The original diagnosis was done while I was in Finland on business and passed two small stones. I carried the CAT scans back to my GP and got an appointment one month later with a specialist. The specialist first wanted to do a barium enema "just to make sure". Sure of WHAT? Then he made an appointment for an ultrasound, again one month later. Why did they want an ultrasound? Wasn't the CAT scan clear enough for them? After the ultrasound and another nearly one month wait, he said, "Yes indeed, you have kidney stones". Three months and two unnecessary tests. Next I had to schedule an appointment with a nutritionist to make sure my diet wasn't the cause. They scheduled it at a time I told them I would be out of the country! I got back and the appointment letter was in my post box. This went on and on and finally I called my DO in the US. He had me send the CAT scan to him and he said any time I wanted to come back he would have me in the hospital for treatment. In all this time, the stones had grown from 1cm to 2.5cm. I booked the flight, arrived in Phoenix. Went to see the DO, the urologist the next day and in the hospital two days later. The news is full of reports about people being on waiting lists for YEARS for routine surgeries in the UK. Some areas are better than others for specific things but overall, it is stretched beyond all reasonable limits. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > > The NHS is great for the every day stuff like cuts and scrapes and sore > > throats but horrible for catastrophic problems. [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Colin > If the care is so good, why did I have to wait over 6 months for them to do > all kinds of UNNECESSARY tests for my kidney stones? BECAUSE... you are American. Hell we don't want to pay for this guys operation.... stall and he will have to go back home and get it done ! They probably never did any tests either... the equipment was likely switched off and they just printed off some other guys scan to show you. The barium meal was really the guy just pressing some of his homebrew onto you... when you finished the first one he likely got the idea that you liked it. > This went on and on and finally I called my DO in the US. He had me send > the CAT scan to him and he said any time I wanted to come back he would have > me in the hospital for treatment. In all this time, the stones had grown > from 1cm to 2.5cm. I booked the flight, arrived in Phoenix. Went to see > the DO, the urologist the next day and in the hospital two days later. Here we see just how efficient the stalling was. The situation is steadily deteriorating and this guy is gonna have to go back real soon. Give him another glass of homebrew and tell him to eat plenty of fried onions. If he experiences any discomfort tell him to eat plenty of raddishes to ease it. Once you had departed to pay for your operation they could then concentrate on a BRITISH person. I just hope you don't play poker ! God you Americans are so naive >:-) > The news is full of reports about people being on waiting lists for YEARS > for routine surgeries in the UK. Some areas are better than others for > specific things but overall, it is stretched beyond all reasonable limits. These would likely be the people who badmouthed the medical profession at some time.... their prognosis is not good !!! Reg Hell, all that stuff they tried to put in me (I refused it all) was probably the best they had! -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > > If the care is so good, why did I have to wait over 6 months for them to do > > all kinds of UNNECESSARY tests for my kidney stones? [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Reg > Hell, all that stuff they tried to put in me (I refused it all) was probably > the best they had! Has to be admitted... homebrew does vary enormously in quality. Reg > C O Jones makes some good points ..... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And then you have to pay from that the Local Council Tax - which > in my case is £34 per week ! Many in the U.K have private/company pension schemes which substantially increase the amount of pension you get in conjunction with the State Retirement Pension. I was fortunate to be in a good company scheme which we paid a substantial slice of our pay packet into in order to benefit later. > And on Healthcare the UK National Health Service is riddled with > delay and inefficiency - two years ago my Mother nearly had to > queue to get into a Hospice ward for what turned out to be her > last 10 days of life ........ they even gave me the bottles of > morphine to treat her in case she could not get into the Hospice. You are obviously not aware that the Hospice Movement (for terminal cancer patients) is *not* part of the Health Service, it is in fact run on voluntary contributions by the people in the vicinity of each hospice. The Hospice Movement provides superb care and accomodation and can't even get funding from the National Lottery. Every single establishment is funded by those in the local communities who appreciate the excellent service. The standard of care is soooooo superb that there can only be a limited number of beds in any one area... it is virtually one to one care from the dedicated staff. It is funded by the community and there is no charge for anyone requiring that level of care. Having been the recipient of U.S medical care some years ago I can honestly say that you don't appreciate how good our system is. There are delays but a lot of that is caused by improvements in medicine causing people to live longer... hence more people in the system who would otherwise have died from things which are now treatable. > And our public transport system in the UK is pretty much now > needing complete renewal - delays are endemic. And our roads are > very congested and full of potholes. And all the time our > politicans are telling us how well we are doing, and our dear > Chancellor keeps introducing yet another steath tax on some item > or other that he hopes we will not notice. Welcome to the legacy of the Thatcher government... remember how they sold off all the family silver ? Privatising everything was going to make a vast improvement... they overlooked the greed, incompetence and racketeering of big business.... or did they ? many politicians sit on various company boards as soon as they retire from politics !!! > It is difficult to see how things have 'improved' at all for at > least the last five years in the UK > > Colin Despite all the funding this country has received from being a member of the E.U. ? Where I live has improved enormously as a result of employing E.U funding to improve the environment and job opportunities. I have recently been for some chest Xrays, waiting time 10 minutes on one visit ( no appointment) and 5 minutes on the next visit (with appointment), mind you I do have the sense not to live within a few hundred miles of the south east of England >:-) Perhaps you need to remove your blindfold and have a good look around you ! Reg > Welcome to the legacy of the Thatcher government... remember how they > sold off all the family silver ? Privatising everything was going to > make a vast improvement... they overlooked the greed, incompetence and > racketeering of big business.... or did they ? many politicians sit on > various company boards as soon as they retire from politics !!! And now we have endless bureacracy and huge numbers of managers overseeing everything, and hopeless inefficiency and delay. Let them make profits. Its less costly than making prtetend work for people in the long run. Very few organisations HAVE to be state run. Arguably the railway (tracks) and maybe the phones. And power distribution possibly. But OI'd privatise schools and healthcare instantly if I could. Just FUND it centrally, and let the hospitals and schools compete for the business. My son broke his wrist playing basketball at 1200 on a saturday. We went to the local NHS Trust hospital for treatment. He finally had the fracture set and a cast put on around noon the next day. In the US, we would have gone to the local community hospital and had the full treatment in around two hours. That's what happened to my wife. Having lived and suffered under both systems, I'll take the US one any day. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > > C O Jones makes some good points ..... > > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > Reg > My son broke his wrist playing basketball at 1200 on a saturday. We went to > the local NHS Trust hospital for treatment. He finally had the fracture set [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Having lived and suffered under both systems, I'll take the US one any day. I broke a bone in my foot as a result of a shipboard accident when heading to Los Angeles. Doctor in L.A couldn't even diagnose it from the X-ray... his nurse had to call him back from telling me it was badly bruised and I could overhear her telling him it was actually broken. Strike--1 Next port of call San Francisco.... taxied ashore again to next doctor. Real plush place, I sank up to my eyelids in the carpet. He had a portable radio playing on his desk which he was listening to while talking to patients !!! His contribution??? He asked me which metatarsal bone was fractured.... had I seen the X-rays myself?... am I the doctor? What the hell is he asking me for ??? All I know is I have a foot twice its normal size and all the colours of the rainbow. According to the first guy (well his nurse ) I have a broken bone.... period ! Strike--2 Next call was Seatle... his input? Drink plenty of milk !!! Strike--3 Last call was Vancouver... heavens be praised an English doctor who had recently gone to live there.... finally sense at last, this guy actually knew what he was doing and talking about. All the American doctors had plush places, attached pharmacies there own X-ray equipment and all. Pity they were bloody useless. Granted there may be some good ones over there..... Reg > -- > Paul McIntosh [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >> >> Reg > I broke a bone in my foot as a result of a shipboard accident when > heading to Los Angeles. Doctor in L.A couldn't even diagnose it from the > X-ray... his nurse had to call him back from telling me it was badly > bruised and I could overhear her telling him it was actually broken. > > Strike--1 Why didn't you go to a different doctor right away? In the LA area there are probably 100,000 doctors available as well as the USC and UCLA medical centers as well as Mount Sinai. Three of the best in the world. > Next port of call San Francisco.... taxied ashore again to next doctor. > Real plush place, I sank up to my eyelids in the carpet. He had a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Strike--2 This strike is on you for leaving the first place. > Next call was Seatle... his input? Drink plenty of milk !!! > > Strike--3 Same response. What are you doing leaving ports with a broken, swollen foot? Not enough sense to get it fixed? > Last call was Vancouver... heavens be praised an English doctor who had > recently gone to live there.... finally sense at last, this guy actually [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > X-ray equipment and all. Pity they were bloody useless. Granted there > may be some good ones over there..... After the shoddy treatment I received here, I'll take the US system any day. Costs less and is far superior. We don't have to ship off our patients to another country for treatment! >> I broke a bone in my foot as a result of a shipboard accident when >> heading to Los Angeles. Doctor in L.A couldn't even diagnose it from the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > are probably 100,000 doctors available as well as the USC and UCLA medical > centers as well as Mount Sinai. Three of the best in the world. The shipping company I worked for, via its American agents, arranged the doctors and all the necessary paperwork plus all transport. >> Next port of call San Francisco.... taxied ashore again to next doctor. >> Strike--2 > > This strike is on you for leaving the first place. Er, pardon ? The ship I was based on was moving from port to port ! I also hadn't experienced anything which would give me a great desire to stay for further lacklustre treatment. >> Next call was Seatle... his input? Drink plenty of milk !!! >> >> Strike--3 > > Same response. What are you doing leaving ports with a broken, swollen > foot? Not enough sense to get it fixed? See previous answer and take into account I was relying on doctors to determine the treatment.... in USA I would have done better trying to sort myself with a box of bandaids. > After the shoddy treatment I received here, I'll take the US system any day. > Costs less and is far superior. We don't have to ship off our patients to > another country for treatment! How the heck does it cost less, our National Insurance Contributions are as nothing compared to one bill for a decent operation in US. You don't ship patients sure... but thats only 'cos they don't survive long enough to be shipped anywhere... Reg Ahh, the company doctor! Probably the best they could get for $2.00. My medical insurance costs FAR less then what the NHS costs everyone. I thought I heard from some NHS spokesman on Sky news say that the NHS costs something like 6000 quid for each patient average. My medical insurance costs me about $200 a month and is good worldwide. And, with your country letting in just about everyone who can hitch a ride across the channel, it is bound to get a lot worse. I guess we can agree that our individual experiences are very different. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > >> I broke a bone in my foot as a result of a shipboard accident when > >> heading to Los Angeles. Doctor in L.A couldn't even diagnose it from the [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Reg > Ahh, the company doctor! Probably the best they could get for $2.00. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > letting in just about everyone who can hitch a ride across the channel, it > is bound to get a lot worse. No, better. Most of the ones coming in are doctors and nurses. And dentists. > I guess we can agree that our individual experiences are very different. Yea, right. All of those people on the French side of the Chunnel are doctors and nurses. Same as those found in the back of lorries. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > > Ahh, the company doctor! Probably the best they could get for $2.00. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > I guess we can agree that our individual experiences are very different. > Ahh, the company doctor! Probably the best they could get for $2.00. Don't think they were company doctors... sure worth about $2, well $1.10 anyway. Their premises indicated a lifestyle based on more than $2 a visit. > My medical insurance costs FAR less then what the NHS costs everyone. I > thought I heard from some NHS spokesman on Sky news say that the NHS costs > something like 6000 quid for each patient average. My medical insurance > costs me about $200 a month and is good worldwide. And, with your country > letting in just about everyone who can hitch a ride across the channel, it > is bound to get a lot worse. With an increasing number of elderly people and a decreasing number of younger people they are going to need them to maintain the workforce, and thus pay into our wonderful health system. Do you get free treatment when you reach retirement age, I have never seen this mentioned anywhere so just curious ? Here at the age of 60 both men and women get free medicines and eye tests as well as medical treatment. > I guess we can agree that our individual experiences are very different. > Paul McIntosh Undoubtedly >:-) Reg > Do they have income tax? If so how does it compare to US income tax? You will find that in common with most of Europe about 60% of the GDP circulates throught the government or local government. Yeah! But consider the cost difference when one wishes to drive coast to coast! :) The UK is a smaller drive than many of our States. > How does 78 pence a litre in the UK seem to you ? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Colin That is one luxury the US has that the UK does not - space..... The UK is now apparently the third most densely populated part of the globe - after Bangladesh and Holland I think. But we still get to fly ! Colin PS - we head south to Europe when we want decent weather .... that racks the mileage up a bit ! and of course the cost of ferry crossings etc >Yeah! But consider the cost difference when one wishes to drive coast to >coast! :) The UK is a smaller drive than many of our States. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> Colin Those ferry crossings are SUCH a ripoff! If you go over for just a day you can do it for as low as 20 pounds. Stay two days and it jumps to 160 pounds. Stay more than 5 days and it can top 300 pounds! I never knew it cost the ferry companies more when you took a longer holiday! The Canadian ferries from Vancouver to Victoria are longer, prettier rides through the islands and cost about CDN$65 each way for a car and two passengers. Just show up and get in line. Thats about US$47 which is about 30 pounds. Don't matter how long you stay! -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > That is one luxury the US has that the UK does not - space..... > The UK is now apparently the third most densely populated part of [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >> > >> Colin >>Yeah! But consider the cost difference when one wishes to drive coast to >>coast! :) The UK is a smaller drive than many of our States. Well consider driving the coast road (Hwy 1) in West Australia...it's the same distance as Seattle to Miami and you're still in the same state :) Heading coast to coast can take several days due to traffic jams, road works and diversions. Even getting to work at peak period a distance of 15 miles could take 45 minutes on a good day! And that's not even going near London! -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > Heading coast to coast can take several days due to traffic jams, road works > and diversions. Even getting to work at peak period a distance of 15 miles > could take 45 minutes on a good day! |
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