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Wan - 05 May 2004 03:59 GMT
Ever get that feeling when things worked out? That special feeling
that your airplane is about  to  be covered?

Well, this little plane is my very first electric scratch built. I
have built them big and have built them heavy, but this one is very
special. Because it weighs a tad under 16 ounces with all the
necessary equipment juggled around inside. Allowing for the covering,
it balanced!

Yes, it has an inside. I don't mean to denigrate the planes with their
innards hanging out like so many park flyers. I have some of those.
This plane has a "real" fuselage.

The only thing I'm not looking forward to  is the hinges. I dislike
hinging with a passion. Slits too deep, torn balsa, CA stuck to wood
and fingers,  etc.

I thought first to use the "stitch and sew" method, then I want to
install CA hinges, then use the Monocote on top with 45º under the
control surfaces, Then there are other options too numerous to list.

Any words of wisdom on what you've done to avoid the frustrations of
hinging? My choice will HINGE on your input :-)

Wan
Paul Ryan - 05 May 2004 05:11 GMT
I'm gonna use fabric hinges on mine- you know, the ones that criss cross
the hinge line-  they allow for light structure without cutting aslot,
and hard to beat as far as weight goes-   
                        Paul

> Ever get that feeling when things worked out? That special feeling
> that your airplane is about  to  be covered?
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>
> Wan
Wan - 05 May 2004 10:26 GMT
> I'm gonna use fabric hinges on mine- you know, the ones that criss cross
> the hinge line-  they allow for light structure without cutting aslot,
> and hard to beat as far as weight goes-   
>                         Paul

Paul,

I am interested in your fabric hinges. Is it the kind that are sewn
with the sewing line between the control surfaces? Or do you make your
own and glue them over and under alternately?

Wan
Paul Ryan - 05 May 2004 18:58 GMT
Wan:
    You put them on with Ambroid-  just glue them on, and with your
fingers,  smooth them on to the wood, pressing the glue well into the
fabric-  do the stab side first, let the glue dry, then the elevator
side.  They are the old time hinge seen in old u-control kits and the
plans, and they're light and work great.  I used to use fabric from an
old shirt.
    Ambroid is a real good acetone/lacquer thinner based glue-
                    Paul

>>I'm gonna use fabric hinges on mine- you know, the ones that criss cross
>>the hinge line-  they allow for light structure without cutting aslot,
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>
> Wan
The Natural Philosopher - 05 May 2004 14:24 GMT
> Ever get that feeling when things worked out? That special feeling
> that your airplane is about  to  be covered?
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> Any words of wisdom on what you've done to avoid the frustrations of
> hinging? My choice will HINGE on your input :-)

Use a strip of irton on covering top and bootom. Then add cover the whle
thung tiop and bottomm, with teh surface at full defelection to make
sure it is not impede by teh covering.

For faster models use solarflim under teh final covering, slower ones
its fine with whatver yiu cover with.

> Wan
Wan - 07 May 2004 21:28 GMT
> > Ever get that feeling when things worked out? That special feeling
> > that your airplane is about  to  be covered?
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> For faster models use solarflim under teh final covering, slower ones
> its fine with whatver yiu cover with.

TNP,

I have the plane all covered, but the control surfaces have rounded
LEs. I was wondering if it's still possible to install your kind of
hinges?

Wan
mike tully - 05 May 2004 19:25 GMT
Wan,

No advise on the hinges, but are you really going to use Monokote on a 16oz
plane?

Monokote will easily distort and warp such light structures and is quite heavy
at 1.8 oz/sq yard.

Solite (aka Solar Film Light, Nelson Lite Film) is a much more appropriate
covering.  It is .6 oz/sq yard will not distort light structures and goes over
compound curves quite easily.  Works at much lower temps.  Can be used as hinge
too.
Wan - 05 May 2004 22:43 GMT
> Wan,
>
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> compound curves quite easily.  Works at much lower temps.  Can be used as hinge
> too.

Mike,

Thanks for your concern on the covering. I already have the wing
covered with Ultracote Light. Seems to me some time ago, a  poster did
extensive research over quite a number of plastic covering materials
and found Ultracote Light to be the lightest.

I just went and weighed the covered wing with a postage scale and
believe or not, it weighs a scant 3 ounces minus the ailerons.
Wonderful stuff.

I mentioned Monokote as a well known product, though I don't use it. I
thought it'd make good hinges also.

As for the hinges, I am still trying to decide until I hear some more
ideas, though  I've read some good one here.

Wan
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