Last week, we had our Spring Big Bird event that drew 50 entrants, and a
couple of hundred spectators. Every year, it seems that we have one or two
guys who always bring out brand new planes and fly them for the first time
at these events. This year, one guy flew a new GeeBee Arf. When he took
off, the plane made an immediate left turn and flew OVER the pits and
spectators. The pilot, who was quite competent, guided it back, properly
trimmed it. The rest of the flight was uneventful.
There was another pilot, along with myself, who was quite disturbed by this.
At last night's meeting, I pointed out that this practice was in direct
violation of the very first item of the AMA safety code.
I really was not prepared for the reaction. They don't think it's a big
deal. What do you think?
Ted Campanelli - 05 May 2004 19:16 GMT
On 5/5/2004 1:55 PM Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great
(and sometimes not so great) words of knowledge:
An event IS NOT THE TIME TO DO A MAIDEN FLIGHT. You should do it
several days before. Yes, inadvertent flight maneuvers can and do
happen, especially with a plane you are not used to.
IMHO, it is not good to fly over the pits (even unintentionally). I did
have it happen when a servo stripped out. Luckily, no one was hurt.
The only vehicle to suffer damage was my own when the wing clipped the
bumper (scratch rubbed out). HOWEVER, it could have seriously hurt
someone or done some major damage.
> Last week, we had our Spring Big Bird event that drew 50 entrants, and a
> couple of hundred spectators. Every year, it seems that we have one or two
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> I really was not prepared for the reaction. They don't think it's a big
> deal. What do you think?
Efulmer - 05 May 2004 20:11 GMT
If this was a sanctioned event he should have signed a form before he was
allowed to fly at all. The form states that the plane has been flown before
and it is safe. In effect NO FIRST FLIGHTS ALLOWED!! If he violated this rule
then the CD, if there was one, should probably have grounded him the rest of
the day, or at least that plane. It's folks that take safety lightly that
cause the rest of us to look bad. My flame suit is on and ready. Eddie Fulmer
CD AMA 63713
Paul McIntosh - 05 May 2004 21:19 GMT
Standing by with the fire hose for you! I completely agree.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
> If this was a sanctioned event he should have signed a form before he was
> allowed to fly at all. The form states that the plane has been flown before
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> cause the rest of us to look bad. My flame suit is on and ready. Eddie Fulmer
> CD AMA 63713
Paul McIntosh - 05 May 2004 21:18 GMT
That's a HELL of a big deal! Your event could lose all coverage if you
knowingly allow things like that to happen. I know that in the pylon events
I CD'd and attended, part of the registration form was a certification that
the pilot signed stating that the plane had been successfully flown prior to
the event. New planes were not allowed to compete without a check flight at
an empty field first. Planes requiring extensive repairs between heats had
to be checked before they were allowed to re-enter the event.
Allowing things like this is not alright. It is irresponsible.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
> Last week, we had our Spring Big Bird event that drew 50 entrants, and a
> couple of hundred spectators. Every year, it seems that we have one or two
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> I really was not prepared for the reaction. They don't think it's a big
> deal. What do you think?
C.O.Jones - 05 May 2004 22:25 GMT
> They don't think it's a big
> deal. What do you think?
They don't think what is a big deal? The rule or the AMA?
Seriously, regardless whose rule it is, it makes too much sense to have a
model proven before being flown at an event. Or for that matter, any public
gathering which amounts to more than the usual saturday club group.
Maybe it's time to preach some safety at the field and meetings. If they
don't get the idea then maybe you need to find a way to move them on. Or
move on yourself! I have it easy, I'd simply make them 'personna non
gratis' at my field and spread the word to the other clubs in driving
distance.
Aileron37 - 05 May 2004 22:45 GMT
<<The pilot, who was quite competent, guided it back, properly
trimmed it. The rest of the flight was uneventful.>>
Competent??? or just plain LUCKY????
Personally, I do not believe a "competent" flier would have even done such a
thing. Knowingly, endangering everyone is what he did. Check out my page 4 at
the bottom. http://hometown.aol.com/aileron37/page4.html
That DR-8 had a handful of flights on it in the week prior to a wing failure
during an airshow. What I do not say in the text is the fuselage (with engine
running) crashed at the feet of a woman that froze and never tried to move out
of the way. In an instant, our club could have had a very very bad day, and
that aircraft had been flown before. You simply never know. It`s bad enough
flying with those who think the rules do not imply to them. It is a violation
of AMA code, and nonsense such as that must also be a violation of any good
club guidelines. At least two of you at the meeting know the difference between
right and wrong. Pity the rest don`t.
rick markel
Todd Klondike - 06 May 2004 02:06 GMT
aileron37@aol.com (Aileron37) posted message
ID<20040505174542.21491.00000895@mb-m10.aol.com>on 05 May 2004
21:45:42 GMT
><<The pilot, who was quite competent, guided it back, properly
>trimmed it. The rest of the flight was uneventful.>>
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>
>rick markel
That'd be a D-8...not a DR-8.
Carry on.
Aileron37 - 06 May 2004 16:57 GMT
>That'd be a D-8...not a DR-8.
>
>Carry on.
Thanks, so many years ago and all that:)
rick markel
Fred McClellan - 06 May 2004 01:02 GMT
<SNIP>
>I really was not prepared for the reaction. They don't think it's a big
>deal. What do you think?
Welcome to model aviation, AMA sport aviator style.
I often think the vast majority of members (and non-members as well)
don't have the foggiest notion what the word safety means. I think
they believe safety is what you do after something bad happens.
I'm also quite sure the vast majority of AMA members are only members
to get the insurance, and for them everything else about AMA is either
an unknown or of no importance.
It is most assuredly a big deal.
Item one in the AMA Safety Code has been item one in the AMA Safety
Code for as long as I can remember.
It's not Rule Number One for no reason, y'know.
Cheers,
Fred McClellan
The House Of Balsa Dust
home.mindspring.com/~the-plumber
jjvb - 06 May 2004 14:12 GMT
No big deal as long as nothing happened. Otherwise it would have been a
different story. My opinion is that a planes first flight should never
occur at an event. No matter how careful and meticulous a builder is, you
never know what the plane will do the first time up. Anyone ever seen
planes go in on their maiden flights??
John VB
> Last week, we had our Spring Big Bird event that drew 50 entrants, and a
> couple of hundred spectators. Every year, it seems that we have one or two
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> I really was not prepared for the reaction. They don't think it's a big
> deal. What do you think?
Bill - 06 May 2004 18:06 GMT
Thanks, everyone who responded. I guess, for once, I didn't have my head up
my "neither regions" by bringing this up at the meeting. I totally agree
with Fred. Most guys think accidents are things that happen only to other
guys. The CD at this event is a good friend, excellent pilot and meticulous
builder. He is, however, somewhat opinionated and pig headed. When I first
brought this up at the meeting, he said that that rule wasn't in the Safety
Code. ????
Someone should publish a story about what happens to a club and those
involved when an accident that causes personal injury or death happens at a
flying field. The investigation by law enforcement, insurance companies and
attorneys and what anyone even remotely connected has to go through. Maybe
it would open some eyes about safety.
Bill
> No big deal as long as nothing happened. Otherwise it would have been a
> different story. My opinion is that a planes first flight should never
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> > I really was not prepared for the reaction. They don't think it's a big
> > deal. What do you think?