How to plane get out of a tree?
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Steven York - 08 May 2004 03:58 GMT What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree?
My plane is about 50 to 60 feet up in a huge ficus tree. I can see the tail section sticking out of the leaves. If someone were to climb it, I don't believe that they can reach it.
Is there some common (or not so common) tool or device that can be improvised to get it down? Will the city workers get it down for me, if I ask?
I thought of trying to knock it down, but I want to minimize any damage to the plane.
Thanks in advance for any hints or tips!
Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 08 May 2004 04:15 GMT >Is there some common (or not so common) tool or device that can be >improvised to get it down? People have used pvc pipe sections strung together to make long reachers. I don't think you'll be able to handle a 60' pipe. You might be able to climb 40' and use a 20' assembly to snag the plane.
People have also fallen out of trees and gotten electrocuted trying to rescue things stuck in trees. Whatever you do, please come home in one piece afterward!
> Will the city workers get it down for me, if I >ask? Depends on the city and the workers.
>I thought of trying to knock it down, but I want to minimize any damage to >the plane. Two 10' sections of PVC pipe, large diameter, glued together. Run a noose out the top of the pipe made out of stiff twine. Arrange it so that you can tighten the noose by pulling on the loose ends coming out the other end of the piping.
Climb high enough to snag the tail with the noose.
Don't fall while lassooing or tugging the plane. :o(
Marty
Steven York - 09 May 2004 06:27 GMT Okay, I got it down today after the plane had an overnight stay in that tree. This morning I surveyed the plane. The tail section was sticking out a bit. I also brought my Laser Range Finder (used when I play golf), and determined the plane to be 11 yards up (33') and not the 50 or 60 feet that I originally thought. Hey, when your first plane is in a tree, you think it was 1,000 feet up. :-)
So, I went to Home Depot and bought a three 10' sections of 1-1/4" PVC piping and two couplers to join them together. I ran 200# monofilament fishing leader line through the pipe and tied a big loop on one end. The other end, I tied a stick to it (so as to not lose the end of the line up into the pipe).
My plans were to place the loop over the tail section, and then pull the other end of the line through the pipe to tighten the "noose" and pull the plane out.
However, when I went back to the tree that afternoon, the winds had swayed the branches and the plane had settled in a bit more deeply into the tree. The tail section was no where to be seen from out from under the tree canopy. I could, however, see the plane standing directly under the tree. There were so many branches and leaves that there was no room for the loop be able to go around any part of the plane. So, at this time, I proceeded to just poke the plane. It fell about seven feet lower into the tree before getting hung on another branch. Finally, another couple of pokes freed the plane and I tried to catch it with one hand (while balancing this 30' pipe with the other). I managed to slow its decent down with my hand which flipped it upright and it landed directly on its wheels! No damage what-so-ever!
I guess I'm lucky *this* time. ;-)
> >Is there some common (or not so common) tool or device that can be > >improvised to get it down? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Marty Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 09 May 2004 12:38 GMT > .... I managed to slow its descent down with my hand which >flipped it upright and it landed directly on its wheels! No damage >what-so-ever!
>I guess I'm lucky *this* time. ;-) YOU DA MAN!
Marty
MK - 10 May 2004 05:22 GMT That'll be a good story forever. Good job. mk
> Okay, I got it down today after the plane had an overnight stay in that > tree. This morning I surveyed the plane. The tail section was sticking out a [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > > > Marty ©olin - 08 May 2004 07:01 GMT Tie a weight to the end of a light line and throw over the tail of the model. Lower the weight and replace with a loop or ring around the line, pull the line untill it encircles the model. Pass the line around a branch just above halfway up. Make a loop in the line with the 'neck' joined with a shorter length of rubber to act as a shock absorber. Pull on line!!!!!! Never tried this, let me know if it works. :o)
Colin
> What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! DC3Gooney - 08 May 2004 09:30 GMT >> What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? I've had luck with the following ~ 5-6 six foot lengths aluminum tubing, 5/8 inch ID, 3/4 OD 5-6 six foot lengths aluminum tubing, 3/4 inch ID 10-12 pieces of coat hanger, 3-6 inches one (auto) muffler clamp, 2 (auto) heater hose clamps
use the hose clamps to fasten the muffler clamp "hook" to the end of one piece of tubing. alternate large and small tubing, sliding each approx six inches onto the next; drill a small hole approx 3 inches from the end of each tube, and slide a coat hanger wire through to attach them, bend the ends of the wire. You now have the equipment ready ~ disassemble it....... The tubing is NOT strong enough to hoist to a vertical position while it's assembled, but by sliding and snaking each section (starting with the hook) into the tree, and connecting a new section as you lift the assembly, you can feed the device up through the branches, towards the plane, using the branches for support. Once you get to the plane, hook, push, rattle, pull, do whatever it takes. Expect some damage, but you've recovered (no pun intended) your gear.
Another quick trick involves an archery bow, and a fishing arrow ~ the arrow has a spring-loaded barb that will penetrate the wing/fuse, but cannot be pulled back out. It has a line attached to a spool on the bow. Shoot and yank.
Caution with aluminum tubes ~ check carefully for electric wires, and avoid contact. Caution with arrow ~ expect several misses, and be aware of where the arrow will fall if it speeds past the plane. Don't shoot straight up at the plane....
DC3
Steven York - 09 May 2004 06:09 GMT The key here is to "throw over the tail". That would be the part that is the most difficult. :-)
> Tie a weight to the end of a light line and throw over the tail of the > model. Lower the weight and replace with a loop or ring around the line, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > > Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! Tom Johnson - 08 May 2004 10:00 GMT Will the city workers get it down for me, if I
> ask? Good idea.
Try contacting some tree surgeons or groundskeepers who work for the city, or a local school/university. There could be one out there who would get it down for a reasonable fee, especially if you offer him/her a chance to fly your plane on a buddy box. It is amazing how little time it takes for a professional to SAFELY climb up a tree and retrieve your plane.
We have used one from the local university. He only charged $35 to get a plane down from a 50 foot ash tree. We bought him a breakfast on the way back from the field, to let him know how much we appreciated his reasonable service. He thought it was fun and we made a new (and valuable) friend.
Tom
jeboba - 08 May 2004 16:22 GMT Find some electric company guys with a bucket truck out working. Ask them.
> Will the city workers get it down for me, if I > > ask? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Tom Patrik Henriksson - 09 May 2004 06:15 GMT > Will the city workers get it down for me, if I > > ask? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > little time it takes for a professional to SAFELY climb up a tree and > retrieve your plane. My local club has a local tree surgeon who after being called in once saw the business opportunity and keeps his business cards stocked at our frequency board :)
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Bod - 08 May 2004 13:47 GMT Are you stupid?
All you need to do is train a small monkey to retrieve it for you. I once trained a dog to bark every time I said "speak" to it. The dog was called Sootie.
> What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! Arne - 08 May 2004 12:55 GMT A couple of fellows I know were flying and got a plane stuck in a tree.... no problem said one, I'll just call the fire dept. to come get it out.... well he did, but the dispatcher didn't catch the 'model' plane part, and thought it was a real plane and sent every piece of emergency equipment they had....... when the chief got there, he was not amused..... and everyone left with the plane still in the tree...
One thing we use is a bow and arrow with a light line. Once the light line is over the plane, a heavier line is pulled up with a small grappling hook attached... it usually comes down in pieces, but sometimes.... big pieces. . Arne, USA (I would take up golf, but I don't have the time)
> Are you stupid? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! Gregg Uhlendorf - 08 May 2004 21:27 GMT > Are you stupid? > > All you need to do is train a small monkey to retrieve it for you. > I once trained a dog to bark every time I said "speak" to it. > The dog was called Sootie. Just in case the monkey wont come down, this may help:
How To Get A Gorilla Out Of A Tree
Get the following: 1) Long Pole 2) Heavy Net 3) Pit Bull (the dog training comes in handy here) 4) Shotgun 5) Helper
Go up the tree with the pole and use it to shove the gorilla out of the tree. (Leave the net and the shotgun down with your helper)
Train the pit bull to use it's powerful jaws to grasp the fallen gorilla by his nuts, thus immobilizing him until you and your helper can get the net on him.
Sometimes the gorilla will knock you out of the tree. In that case, instruct your helper to shoot the dog.
Dr1Driver - 09 May 2004 04:46 GMT >> All you need to do is train a small monkey to retrieve it for you. Hmmm, if you have trouble getting a small monkey to train, you can always use the hidden elephant.
You don't know about the hidden elephant?
Well, how do you hide an elephant? Paint his toenails red and put him in a cherry tree.
What? You've never seen an elephant in a cherry tree? See, it works!
:) Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!"
The Natural Philosopher - 09 May 2004 09:46 GMT >>>All you need to do is train a small monkey to retrieve it for you. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > What? You've never seen an elephant in a cherry tree? > See, it works! I was always told that the way to get an elephant out o an oak tree was to get him to sit on an acorn and wait for autumn.
> :) > > Dr.1 Driver > "There's a Hun in the sun!" Bill Sheppard - 09 May 2004 23:45 GMT Hey NatPhil:
Why do elephants have scratches on their bellies? Flying too low over rose bushes.
How can you tell if there's an ele. nearby? You can smell the peanuts on his breath.
Actually there was a whole plethora of ele. jokes back in the 50s. Bill(oc)
Viper Pilot - 11 May 2004 18:14 GMT Coax him with peanuts.
How do you know the elephant is in the tree??
Smell the peanuts on his breath
-- Viper Pilo
quietguy - 12 May 2004 00:37 GMT Why go to all that trouble Bod? You just put a dollop of cat food in the fuse before each flight - plane stuck up in tree - cat goes up tree to get food - get fire dept to get cat down - and 'while you blokes are up there...."
David
> Are you stupid? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! Rumprider - 08 May 2004 15:21 GMT 12 Gauge
> What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! AAAAAAAAAAAAAlias - 08 May 2004 16:28 GMT Rent one of those Asian guys with a trick monkey.
> What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! vincee - 08 May 2004 16:37 GMT > What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! After falling 5 out of 40 feet (branch broke while I was hoisting myself up to the next branch and I landed on the branch below grabbing the trunk in a death grip) I slept on it and came back the next day with a fishing pole (didn't have a bow). Got off a lucky cast and hauled up a kite string that was strong enough to shake the branch pretty hard. It came out and started flying (kind of). Not right to me of course so it had a hard landing. Maybe if I'd had the transmitter and the rx battery wasn't quite dead yet.........
phillipsmike@bellsouth.net - 08 May 2004 23:23 GMT Paintball gun. Trust me, it works. I've retrieved many a plane with one with minimal damage. Wal-Mart will have a decent one for about $60 dollars, gun, balls, and CO2. It can be used later at the field to try and shoot down other warbirds and makes combat interesting.
Mike
> > What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Maybe if I'd had the transmitter and the rx battery wasn't quite dead > yet......... MODROCKET - 09 May 2004 00:08 GMT >What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! If it's anywhere near a power line you may be able to get the power company to retrieve it for you. I'm a newbie with planes as my eperience has been with rockets. I have had the power company retrieve several rockets from or near power lines. They will come out especially if there is any chance some kid my try to get it down.
On another occasion (without me knowing about it) someone used a 20 gauge shotgun to get one of my rockets down. However, I wouldn't recommend this. Joe A.
pcoopy - 09 May 2004 02:15 GMT Get one of those whirlybird nuts in your club, who are always braggin' on how great they can fly and how super those eggbeaters are, to snag it and lower it down while scaring the hell out of everybody with one their low inverted mostly controlled passes.
Phil AMA609
> What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! RedFred1 - 09 May 2004 02:33 GMT >> What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? I used a wrist rocket sling shot - some heavy gage fishing line and a sinker. Tie the end of the fishing line to the sinker - put the spool on a stick, pencil, etc. Have a friend hold it so it will unwind. Use the sling shot to flick it up over the model. Actually, if you get it around the nearby branches, you can pull on the line and usually have the branches flip the plane out. If it falls into the next level of branches - no prob, rewind the line on the spool and start again. Never failed me yet!
Good luck with it!
FredD
MikeF - 09 May 2004 09:42 GMT If its really a Ficus tree, just wait a day or two and the damned thing will die. Cut it down and your all set. Miserable excuse for a tree....
Ive treed several planes. Only once was it too high to climb for. Fortunately, a strong wind blew my Zero out of its perch atop a 75' oak and settled the plane atop some 3' high underbrush - completely unharmed.
> What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! Doug Dorton - 09 May 2004 23:03 GMT Chainsaw?
> What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! Morris Lee - 10 May 2004 13:52 GMT > Chainsaw? Standard equipment here in the Appalachians!
Morris
Viper Pilot - 11 May 2004 18:10 GMT Bow and arrow. Attach string to end of arrow
-- Viper Pilo
Efulmer - 12 May 2004 03:48 GMT A string tied to an arrow didn't work for me. I was using a 70lb compound bow too. We had to use a weight tied to fishing line. Eddie Fulmer
MJC - 12 May 2004 14:18 GMT Better yet, 12 guage shotgun. Insert cartridge in chamber. :-)
MJC
> Bow and arrow. Attach string to end of arrow. Doug Dorton - 12 May 2004 23:00 GMT Chainsaw!!
> Better yet, 12 guage shotgun. Insert cartridge in chamber. :-) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > View this thread: > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=228602 Doug Dorton - 12 May 2004 23:01 GMT Chainsaw!!
> Better yet, 12 guage shotgun. Insert cartridge in chamber. :-) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > View this thread: > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=228602 wrightknuckles - 09 Jan 2005 03:24 GMT I've gotten a plane down from the top of an oak before using some thi twine and a fishing weight. After many tries, I finally whipped it u there over the branch that was holding it and eased it down and hoiste up a thicker rope to shake the branch. Bow and arrow or slingshot an weight would work better, but if you got neither, this'll get the jo done.
Also, depending on the size of the tree trunk, you could tie a thic rope or chain around the trunk, attach it to your bumper and give it good shake with the gas pedal. If it's a big dia trunk you could clim up a short ways where the trunk is thinner and attach the rope. It works, if you can get away with it.
-Crai
-- wrightknuckle
Paul McIntosh - 09 Jan 2005 10:40 GMT I find that it always tankes at least a 20ga. ;^)
-- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com
> I've gotten a plane down from the top of an oak before using some thin > twine and a fishing weight. After many tries, I finally whipped it up [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > wrightknuckles's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=49462 > View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=228602 No_Body_Home - 09 Jan 2005 11:35 GMT We use an a bow and arrow. Fishing line first to pull a light rope and small grappling hook up and over. Sometimes is isn't pretty, but beats killing yourself climbing a tree. . NoBodyHome .
>I find that it always tankes at least a 20ga. ;^) > > -- > Paul McIntosh Andrew - 10 Jan 2005 02:34 GMT > We use an a bow and arrow. Fishing line first to pull a light > rope and small grappling hook up and over. Sometimes is isn't > pretty, but beats killing yourself climbing a tree. > . Just use a chain saw and cut the tree down.
jim breeyear - 10 Jan 2005 14:50 GMT or cut a one inch ring in the bark and wait.
>> We use an a bow and arrow. Fishing line first to pull a light rope and >> small grappling hook up and over. Sometimes is isn't pretty, but beats >> killing yourself climbing a tree. >> . > > Just use a chain saw and cut the tree down. The Natural Philosopher - 09 Jan 2005 13:09 GMT > I've gotten a plane down from the top of an oak before using some thin > twine and a fishing weight. After many tries, I finally whipped it up [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > up a short ways where the trunk is thinner and attach the rope. > It works, if you can get away with it. Tried the first, but too high.
Used s cheap bow to get line up, got it round branch, still wouldn't come.
Eventually spent several afternoons with an air rifle shooting the airframe to pieces, and the expensive bits came down undamaged.
Apart from the LIPO battery, which after 3 weeks was beyond recall.
> -Craig tapio.linkosalo@helsinki.fi.invalid - 09 Jan 2005 13:21 GMT : I've gotten a plane down from the top of an oak before using some thin : twine and a fishing weight. After many tries, I finally whipped it up : there over the branch that was holding it and eased it down and hoisted : up a thicker rope to shake the branch. Bow and arrow or slingshot and : weight would work better, but if you got neither, this'll get the job : done. Free fligh models sometimes fly off the field to land in a tree. The method above does work quite well, even with trees 20m tall. One additional feature that I have planned, not needed to try yet is to use a chain saw. Instead of shaking the shoot, use the rope to pull the saw around the branch holding the plane and saw the branch off. If you miss and get the rope around a branch too high, just work your way down to the right branch...
-Tapio
Doug McLaren - 09 Jan 2005 19:12 GMT Hmm, we don't seem to have the original message anywhere ...
In any event, the usual ways of getting a plane down from a tree include :
1) climb the tree 2) throw things at the plane 3) hook a string around the plane and pull 4) cut down the tree (or part of it anyways.) 5) wait for the wind to dislodge it 6) use a long pole to push the plane free. (Home Depot sells telescoping poles up to 30' that work nicely. You can also duct tape long PVC pipes together to get a longer one, though after a while it becomes very hard to work with.) 7) use a ladder
Sometimes using various combinations of these methods will work :)
If you get really stuck, you can often call a tree maintenance company and they can come out with a big ladder and get your plane down. Often with much less damage than other methods may cause, though they don't usually do it for free.
You might be able to talk the fire department into doing it, but of course there's the danger that they'll be tied up when there's a real emergency. (And hopefully they won't let you talk them into it if there's such a risk.) They may justify it as a training opportunity, or by removing it themselves, they remove the risk that a kid will climb up and try to recover the plane himself and get hurt.
I've heard of somebody whacking a plane down from power lines by hitting it with an electric Zagi. I don't suggest this, however, unless you want two planes up there ...
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Doug McLaren - 09 Jan 2005 19:16 GMT | In any event, the usual ways of getting a plane down from a tree | include : I forgot my favorite!
8) shake the tree (or part of it)
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PlaneMan - 10 Jan 2005 04:33 GMT How's about the ol' chainsaw method?
> Hmm, we don't seem to have the original message anywhere ... > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > hitting it with an electric Zagi. I don't suggest this, however, > unless you want two planes up there ... Doug McLaren - 10 Jan 2005 15:47 GMT | How's about the ol' chainsaw method? ...
Wouldn't that fit under one of these methods, depending on what exactly you use the chainsaw for?
| > 2) throw things at the plane ...
| > 4) cut down the tree (or part of it anyways.) (:
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Mike Dennett - 10 Jan 2005 15:54 GMT Chopping down the tree? We're losing trees fast enough in this world as it is. Call me a tree-hugger but it seems some people would so this without a second thought, and I find that truly disturbing. Besides, I can't think of a better way to PO the field owner, or the people neighboring the field, whatever. If it's your own property, then I guess you have the right to make that call. Otherwise, personally I think it's criminal. If I saw someone planning to cut down a tree to recover a model I'd put a stop to it. Spend the time and/or the money to get it some other way.
Mike D.
Doug McLaren - 10 Jan 2005 16:21 GMT | Chopping down the tree? We're losing trees fast enough in this world as it | is. I never said all the options I gave were good options. Only that they were options.
| Call me a tree-hugger but it seems some people would so this without a | second thought, and I find that truly disturbing. It _seems_ (but you provide no evidence to back it up, beyond something saying `use a chain saw?'), and you find that disturbing?
Have you ever personally seen a case where a tree was cut down to recover a model airplane?
| Besides, I can't think of a better way to PO the field owner, or the | people neighboring the field, whatever. If it's your own property, | then I guess you have the right to make that call. You _guess_ ?
| Otherwise, personally I think it's criminal. Well, if it's on somebody else's property, and you don't have permission to chop it down, `criminal' is _exactly_ the correct word.
| If I saw someone planning to cut down a tree to recover a model I'd | put a stop to it. Even if it was on their own property? Do you also support tree spiking? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_spiking
| Spend the time and/or the money to get it some other way. Well, duh.
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Mike Dennett - 10 Jan 2005 17:32 GMT I was responding to this suggestion in particular:
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> We use an a bow and arrow. Fishing line first to pull a light > rope and small grappling hook up and over. Sometimes is isn't > pretty, but beats killing yourself climbing a tree. > . Just use a chain saw and cut the tree down. ***
> It _seems_ (but you provide no evidence to back it up, beyond > something saying `use a chain saw?'), and you find that disturbing? "Just use a chainsaw and cut the tree down" - the suggestion seems pretty straightforward to me, am I missing something? I'm not some kind of radical. I'm just someone who doesn't like indiscriminately cutting down trees, so I took exception to the notion of "just use a chainsaw and cut the tree down". To me the word "just" in that context implies "the easiest solution is to" rather than seeking some alternative.
> Have you ever personally seen a case where a tree was cut down to > recover a model airplane? Yes I have as a matter of fact, not once but two times. And not on the flier's property. Once at the edge of some bush across a road that bordered the flying field. The other time at a different field and a short ways into the bush. And in neither case did the fliers seek permission to do so. Nor IMHO did they try hard to come up with an alternate plan such as ladders, bow and arrows as suggested elsewhere here, an arborist, or whatever. In both cases the people involved seemed somewhat blase about the issue, and merely chose to cut the tree because it was the quickest, easiest, most readily available, or maybe cheapest alternative - as in "ah shoot, just grab the chainsaw and we'll cut the ----er down" which was pretty much the impression I got of their attitude. I made my feelings known but as I was not accompanying them on the retrieval mission I was not there to voice my opinion at the exact moment someone produced a saw. I was likely flying or doing my own thing in the pits. And who says they would have listened, what, am I going to argue with a running chainsaw?
> | If I saw someone planning to cut down a tree to recover a model I'd > | put a stop to it. > > Even if it was on their own property? Do you also support tree > spiking? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_spiking Oh for chrissake, if it was on their own property then I (a) wouldn't have a say in the decision, and (b) wouldn't be there flying in the first place. If I WAS there, I'd certainly try to encourage some other alternative and help with it. But no, I wouldn't chain myself to the tree and go on a hunger strike.
> | Spend the time and/or the money to get it some other way. > > Well, duh. Duh yourself, all I was saying is that I don't like the idea of cutting down trees to retrieve models. Is it okay with you if I have that opinion, or should I ask permission first? How you can associate encouaging people not to chop trees to retrieve models with a stupid radical act like tree spiking is somewhat beyond me. Just because someone has a differing opinion or attitude towards something than you do doesn't make them an extremist.
Mike D.
Storm's Hamburgers - 10 Jan 2005 16:26 GMT In my humble opinion the chain saw remarks were jokes. Anyone who has cut down a whole tree for a plane please speak out. mk
> Chopping down the tree? We're losing trees fast enough in this world as it > is. Call me a tree-hugger but it seems some people would so this without a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Mike D. jim breeyear - 10 Jan 2005 16:30 GMT If the landowner gives permission , but someday one may have to petition the tree police for a judgement. THink I am kidding???
> In my humble opinion the chain saw remarks were jokes. Anyone who has cut > down a whole tree for a plane please speak out. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >>Mike D. Mike Dennett - 10 Jan 2005 21:46 GMT I'm sure they really were joking, as in "har har, just cut 'er down". That's a bit hard on the model of course. But I know for fact it's been done before, two times in the realm of my own direct experience, and I was simply hoping nobody got the impression this was a generally accepted practice and/or done all the time.
Mike D.
> In my humble opinion the chain saw remarks were jokes. Anyone who has cut > down a whole tree for a plane please speak out. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > Mike D. Ash Wyllie - 11 Jan 2005 17:10 GMT Mike Dennett opined
>Chopping down the tree? We're losing trees fast enough in this world as it >is. Call me a tree-hugger but it seems some people would so this without a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >planning to cut down a tree to recover a model I'd put a stop to it. Spend >the time and/or the money to get it some other way. In the NorthEast, at least, there are more trees now than a century ago.
-ash Cthulhu in 2005! Why wait for nature?
Paul McIntosh - 11 Jan 2005 21:06 GMT Unfortunately, that ain't true in the rest of the world.
-- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com
> Mike Dennett opined > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Cthulhu in 2005! > Why wait for nature? The Natural Philosopher - 11 Jan 2005 22:11 GMT > Unfortunately, that ain't true in the rest of the world. Its pretty true in the UK actually.
If you kook at the Suffolk painters and return to where they painted all their landscapes, they are all now obscured by trees.
Paul McIntosh - 12 Jan 2005 00:23 GMT Much of that is by design. Many of the "forests" in the UK are planted as fences to obscure the fields or as windbreaks. Actual forested land is much less because if left alone, the seed-bearing trees deciduous (many in the UK) would eventually reclaim the farm land.
IN the US, much of the forest land had to be set aside as National Forests to keep the loggers from stripping the land. In the early part of the last century, they nearly wiped out the redwood and heritage firs and pines in the west. If you go to the forest service info centers you see pictures of loggers standing on stumps that dwarf anything left alive today.
I am not saying that logging is universally bad, just that rampant stripping of forests isn't good.
-- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com
> > Unfortunately, that ain't true in the rest of the world. > > Its pretty true in the UK actually. > > If you kook at the Suffolk painters and return to where they painted all > their landscapes, they are all now obscured by trees. The Natural Philosopher - 12 Jan 2005 01:23 GMT > Much of that is by design. Many of the "forests" in the UK are planted as > fences to obscure the fields or as windbreaks. Actual forested land is much [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I am not saying that logging is universally bad, just that rampant stripping > of forests isn't good. Oh we did that way back when.
The cedars of lebanon all went into ships about the time of the Romans, and the UK got its oak stripped out for ships and houses in the middle ages.
Every culture does it, its just that you yanks are the new kids on the block, and haven't yet realised its not an inexhaustible process stripping resources out of the world. :-)
Its OK, once the woods are gone, the logging companies go with them. Alon with most of the topsoil and wildlife.
Then you just replant and wait 500 years, and end up like Europe..
> -- > Paul McIntosh [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>If you kook at the Suffolk painters and return to where they painted all >>their landscapes, they are all now obscured by trees. strathboy - 10 Jan 2005 13:03 GMT And if the rear end of your car and the transmission hold up.
> I've gotten a plane down from the top of an oak before using some thin > twine and a fishing weight. After many tries, I finally whipped it up [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -Craig adder - 11 Jan 2005 09:33 GMT how about hiring a cherry picker on a trailer?
>I've gotten a plane down from the top of an oak before using some thin >twine and a fishing weight. After many tries, I finally whipped it up [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >-Craig Bob Tomlinson
Aussie RC Enthusiast and Rugby Fanatic.
Thank heavens the USA hasn't discovered and packaged Rugby.
John Alt - 11 Jan 2005 15:54 GMT > how about hiring a cherry picker on a trailer? ITYM wave a six pack at the next utility crew that passes by. HTH
Keith Schiffner - 11 Jan 2005 16:23 GMT >> how about hiring a cherry picker on a trailer? >> > ITYM wave a six pack at the next utility crew that passes > by. > HTH 8^) Might not work...but as my dad once said. "Son you are NEVER too old to climb a tree. Now you might not be limber enough but you are never too old to try"
The trick is knowing which tree you aren't limber enough to climb.
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The Natural Philosopher - 11 Jan 2005 22:09 GMT > The trick is knowing which tree you aren't limber enough to > climb. The trick is knowing which tree and in particular which branch 35ft up, is not likely to support much more weight than the plane already sitting on it..
Malcolm Fisher - 15 Jan 2005 21:09 GMT > >> how about hiring a cherry picker on a trailer? > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The trick is knowing which tree you aren't limber enough to > climb. To date I have always climbed the tree...
...admittedly the last time I did this was when I was a mere 56 years young!
Malcolm
Prophanger - 12 Jan 2005 10:23 GMT I knew one instance where the owner of the plane shot at it with a .22 cal. After some 10 rounds the plane came down, but the Rx was perforated...
The Natural Philosopher - 12 Jan 2005 11:23 GMT > I knew one instance where the owner of the plane shot at it with a .22 cal. > After some 10 rounds the plane came down, but the Rx was perforated... I shot at mine with a .22 air rifle.
After about 200 rounds, the plane came down, and nothing was damaged apart from the airframe.
30 yards range and telescopic sights.
You need to aim for thee wing main spars, and the rear fuselage.
These are the sticky bits that catch the tree.
I also managed to shoot off a prop blade.
BBA - 09 Jan 2005 22:11 GMT > What's the best way to get an airplane out of a tree? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks in advance for any hints or tips! I use a rockod fishing pole. 80lb weight line and a sinker @ 1 to 8 oz wt you may also use a weighted hook or a grub hook - careful - don't get stuck in tree!
BBA
daddioz - 16 Jan 2005 02:20 GMT i always carry an electric chainsaw ....just in case.....never needed i though.best way is not to tree it in first plac
-- daddio
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