It's hard to compare electric motors online. Please reply with your
opinions or experiences.
1. Which RC electric plane is the most powerful?
I want one that goes fast and could, perhaps, carry a few ounce payload.
I don't care about anything else, except availability. Please do not tell
me about price, ease, construction, maneuvering or ... just power and speed.
Depending on what I buy (today or tomorrow) I will probably take it apart
and re-build it. However, I want to start with something that could fly. I
would like to limit this discussion to electric RC motors because I need
reliability to win a race.
My local hobby shop offered me a Parkzone J-3 Cub (340 motor) or a Hobbyzone
AeroBird Extreme (540 motor) but couldn't say which had more power. (Motor
size does not necessarily determine power. There are many factors, so let's
just talk about what already flies.)
If you have a reasoned opinion or experience with more than one aircraft,
please tell me which was most powerful. Thanks!
Tony
Tony Jacobs - 15 May 2004 11:26 GMT
> 1. Which RC electric plane is the most powerful?
Is it helpful to add that the only thing I need to remotely control is on
and off?
I think I want an aircraft motor because I think they are designed to be the
fastest and most powerful that I could buy today. I'll probably keep the
propeller and wings, but maybe not.
Tony
Tony Jacobs - 15 May 2004 11:38 GMT
My local hobby shop said that more voltage generally means more power. I
thought it was amperes that made a certain propeller spin faster. Are we
both right? Either adds more weight. So, now we're starting to get to the
trade-offs that are really at the heart of this issue. Comparing specs
alone doesn't seem to help.
Doug McLaren - 15 May 2004 16:42 GMT
| My local hobby shop said that more voltage generally means more power.
They were right ...
| I thought it was amperes that made a certain propeller spin faster.
Power = Amps * Volts. Doubling either one will double your power.
| Are we both right? Either adds more weight. So, now we're starting
| to get to the trade-offs that are really at the heart of this issue.
Sure. What's the issue? :)
| Comparing specs | alone doesn't seem to help.
It does, but there's a lot more than just two specs. Motocalc
(http://www.motocalc.com/) is your friend.

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jeboba - 16 May 2004 00:10 GMT
more volts (battery), more speed. More amps (battery) , longer running time.
> My local hobby shop said that more voltage generally means more power. I
> thought it was amperes that made a certain propeller spin faster. Are we
> both right? Either adds more weight. So, now we're starting to get to the
> trade-offs that are really at the heart of this issue. Comparing specs
> alone doesn't seem to help.
The Natural Philosopher - 15 May 2004 11:40 GMT
> It's hard to compare electric motors online. Please reply with your
> opinions or experiences.
>
> 1. Which RC electric plane is the most powerful?
>
> I want one that goes fast and could, perhaps, carry a few ounce payload.
silly question. Get a brushless motor some lithium polymer batteries and
a sleek airframe. Some of the gliders can do ove 80mph, so how fast is
fats enough?
> I don't care about anything else, except availability. Please do not tell
> me about price, ease, construction, maneuvering or ... just power and speed.
Its a stupid question. Almost any medieum sized electric motor will get
you up to the 70mph plus region in the correct airframe and with the
correct battery pack and prop.
> Depending on what I buy (today or tomorrow) I will probably take it apart
> and re-build it. However, I want to start with something that could fly. I
> would like to limit this discussion to electric RC motors because I need
> reliability to win a race.
ah. a Race. WHAT race?
> My local hobby shop offered me a Parkzone J-3 Cub (340 motor) or a Hobbyzone
> AeroBird Extreme (540 motor) but couldn't say which had more power. (Motor
> size does not necessarily determine power. There are many factors, so let's
> just talk about what already flies.)
neither of those are fast. Try a multiplex twinjet. That should get you
over 50mph at least.
> If you have a reasoned opinion or experience with more than one aircraft,
> please tell me which was most powerful. Thanks!
>
> Tony
Doug McLaren - 16 May 2004 07:32 GMT
| It's hard to compare electric motors online.
Not really, especially once you learn about Motocalc.
| 1. Which RC electric plane is the most powerful?
Perhaps the giant solar powered one that NASA crashed into the ocean a
year or so ago?
| I want one that goes fast and could, perhaps, carry a few ounce payload.
|
| I don't care about anything else, except availability. Please do not tell
| me about price, ease, construction, maneuvering or ... just power and speed.
Then you probably want some sort of pylon racer with a large brushless
motor and a direct drive prop. 200 mph ought to be possible if you
throw enough money at it. (Oops, I mentioned price, sort of.)
Though I suspect you really don't understand what you're asking.
| Depending on what I buy (today or tomorrow) I will probably take it apart
| and re-build it.
Um, why?
| My local hobby shop offered me a Parkzone J-3 Cub (340 motor) or a Hobbyzone
| AeroBird Extreme (540 motor) but couldn't say which had more power.
Then they're idiots. The 540 has more power. The 540 is a much
larger motor than the 340.
| (Motor size does not necessarily determine power.
No, but it's a large factor. The Aerobird Extreme is a lot larger
than the J-3 cub, so it needs more power. They both probably fly at
similar speeds, however, though the Aerobird might be a bit faster.
Neither one is very fast in the grand scheme of things.

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John R. Agnew - 16 May 2004 20:43 GMT
> | It's hard to compare electric motors online.
>
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> similar speeds, however, though the Aerobird might be a bit faster.
> Neither one is very fast in the grand scheme of things.
They may not be idiots. Ignorance and idiocy are not the same. We're
all ignorant, just about different things. Few are idiots.
BÿkrDan - 17 May 2004 14:46 GMT
Tony - I've combined your posts to respond; it sounds like you're planning
to use the power system from a plane to power something else? Please tell
me this is the case, since you only need "on and off" control :^)
If that's the case, you'll want to skip the purchase of the plane entirely
and concentrate solely on the motor, prop, and battery pack. Any "stock"
configuration offered with a ready-to-fly plane will almost certainly
underperform what you can put together yourself.
If you want to go faster, bigger is better! The most powerful motor I have
used to date is an AXI 2420/12 (brushless outrunner) on a 10 cell (12 volt)
NiMH pack with a Graupner 11x6 prop. And it SCREAMS in the air! There are
bigger motors if you feel so inclined to use them...
Yes, more volts means more power. Add cells to your battery pack to
increase voltage, and make sure that the motor is large enough to handle the
volts delivered to it. Different props will draw more or fewer amps.
Choose a prop that pulls about as many amps as the motor, battery, and speed
control (if there is one) will handle. Choose battery cells that can
deliver amps at the rate you intend to consume them.
Dan.
>Is it helpful to add that the only thing I need to remotely control is on
>and off?
>I think I want an aircraft motor because I think they are designed to be
the
>fastest and most powerful that I could buy today. I'll probably keep the
>propeller and wings, but maybe not.
>Tony
"Tony Jacobs" <tusk@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> My local hobby shop said that more voltage generally means more power. I
> thought it was amperes that made a certain propeller spin faster. Are we
> both right? Either adds more weight. So, now we're starting to get to
the
> trade-offs that are really at the heart of this issue. Comparing specs
> alone doesn't seem to help.
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>
> Tony