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lider - 15 May 2004 12:11 GMT
Hello
I'm considering trying to build a B25 0r Dc3.RC
There are any ?

Thanks

Ps Sorry, my English is not good.
Six_O'Clock_High - 15 May 2004 15:44 GMT
The -25 can be gotten from Ziroli and the -3 from Tower.

> Hello
> I'm considering trying to build a B25 0r Dc3.RC
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> Ps Sorry, my English is not good.
James D Jones - 15 May 2004 20:24 GMT
A B25 "builder's kit" (lots of work) can be purchased from
hobbybarn.com.  This is the Marutaka (old Royal) kit.  It
is said to fly well.

Jim - AMA 501383

> Hello
> I'm considering trying to build a B25 0r Dc3.RC
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lider - 16 May 2004 06:36 GMT
Thanks for your information
> A B25 "builder's kit" (lots of work) can be purchased from
> hobbybarn.com.  This is the Marutaka (old Royal) kit.  It
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> > Ps Sorry, my English is not good.
Tom Johnson - 16 May 2004 08:04 GMT
> A B25 "builder's kit" (lots of work) can be purchased from
> hobbybarn.com.  This is the Marutaka (old Royal) kit.  It
> is said to fly well.

My best R/C buddy just finished his Marutaka kit. It does fly like a
dream, rock solid performance. It is reputed to be the best flyer that
royal ever put out. Can't say the same for the B-17. Another friend
finished a B-17 last summer. It only flew one time, it was unstable
and crashed after a few laps around the field. It flew well enough at
high speed (very unscale-like), but spiraled out of the sky when flown
more realistically.

Tom
Fred McClellan - 16 May 2004 15:53 GMT
>> A B25 "builder's kit" (lots of work) can be purchased from
>> hobbybarn.com.  This is the Marutaka (old Royal) kit.  It
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>high speed (very unscale-like), but spiraled out of the sky when flown
>more realistically.

Never heard of a Maratuka kit flying badly, except where the builder
got something really wrong.

Odds are better than even that the B-17 crash was installed on the
bench.

Cheers,
Fred McClellan
The House Of Balsa Dust
home.mindspring.com/~the-plumber
Tom Johnson - 17 May 2004 09:19 GMT
>Never heard of a Maratuka kit flying badly, except where the builder
>got something really wrong.

>Odds are better than even that the B-17 crash was installed on the
>bench.

>Cheers,
>Fred McClellan
>The House Of Balsa Dust
>home.mindspring.com/~the-plumber

Fred,

No disrespect but, the B-17 builder is a very experienced modeler. He
has been in the hobby for decades, flies small and giant scale planes
with precision and does first class work. I doubt if the problem was
in a construction error. It is the first time I have seen him crash in
four years. Having seen the poor performance and heard two people
(with more experience than me) say that the B-17 was not that great a
flyer, I assumed there may be a grain of truth to it. Of course, a
data base of one eyewitness (me) and two opinions is not exactly good
statistical science... but it did comprise 60% of those present at the
time of the crash. Those kinds of stats are good enough for every
politician! Maybe they just wanted him to feel good?

There is one other possibility, which did not reveal itself to me
until now. Just last week I lost my P-38 in the same spot that his
spiraled into the ground last summer. I was doing a leg upwind when
the plane momentary failed to respond to aileron and rudder to turn it
back. It did respond seconds later only to spiral toward the ground
(with loss of radio control again), but I got it back about 40 feet
off the deck, leveled off, and climbed high. As I started my downwind
leg, again it spiraled out of control, hitting the deck this time.
Post-crash showed the battery to be fully charged and all gear working
properly, and soundly attached. Come to think of it, I had the same
problem with my AT-6 in the same spot last summer too. I changed radio
gear and things did not improve. I had flown my AT-6 several times
between these flights with no problems. I fly on channel 09 in the Ham
band and the B-17 pilot was on a 72 MHz xmtr. So no strong conclusions
there, either.

BTW The Great Planes P-38 is a great model. It flies very well. The
only real problem is the weak structure in the booms. 1/4" X 1/4"
balsa frame with 1/16" balsa sheet on both sides. The rest of the
plane is extraordinarily tough. I have crashed mine three times now
and it will still live to fly again. (O.K. O.K. Now you're saying to
yourself, "This guy is a bozo pilot.") Let me try to explain... : )
On flight number two I noticed cracked booms while cleaning up the
plane (not technically a crash, but it still required splints and
glue). On flight number nine I made a two hop landing that cartwheeled
and smashed the booms to bits. The right engine flew off (Crash 2).
That one was clearly pilot error. I re-glued the re-glued booms and on
the twelfth flight (is that a Shakespear play?) is when it spiraled
into the ground. In all these mishasps the wing, tail feathers, fuse
pod, landing gear, and control surfaces remained untouched. This last
time the left engine flew off on impact, but neither prop was even
broken. I think I wil re-glue the re-glued, re-glued booms because
they seem to break first, saving damage to the rest of the plane. Mayb
GP did it on purpose?

(Blah, blah, Tom. Go to bed already!) : )

Tom
Paul McIntosh - 17 May 2004 17:34 GMT
I have seen some Marutaka (Royal) kits end up very heavy due to the
construction techniques used.  These "kits" are sometimes a box of wood
blocks with instructions to shape like the drawings.

--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
> >Never heard of a Maratuka kit flying badly, except where the builder
> >got something really wrong.
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>
> Tom
James D Jones - 17 May 2004 22:52 GMT
I have the P6E.  Yes, the cowl was formed by carving a balsa block.
Mine turned out great.  They included parts for making a nice dummy
exhaust setup, and my OS 70 fits entirely within the cowl.  Sure,
that's more work, but it's light and quite functional.  In my case,
the weight savings didn't pay off.  I had to put 12 oz. of lead in
the bottom of the cowl for balance. I may still have the CG a bit
too far back.  It's a bit too pitch sensitive for my skill level.

The rest of the kit is traditional built-up construction.  The only
thing I didn't like was the setup for the ailerons.  It called for
cables and bellcranks to operate a rod between the lower wing and
ailerons on the upper wing.  That was far too sloppy for my taste,
so I used two miniservos instead.

It sure does look great, though.

Jim - AMA 501383

> I have seen some Marutaka (Royal) kits end up very heavy due to the
> construction techniques used.  These "kits" are sometimes a box of
> wood blocks with instructions to shape like the drawings.
>
> -- Paul McIntosh
Fred McClellan - 18 May 2004 01:56 GMT
>I have seen some Marutaka (Royal) kits end up very heavy due to the
>construction techniques used.  These "kits" are sometimes a box of wood
>blocks with instructions to shape like the drawings.

Yup.

Doesn't take any particular talent to build a flying pig.

'course, one can do that with almost _any_ manufacturer's kit unless
it's an ARF, and even they can tip the scales well past design
parameters if the hardware installation is all wrong.
Cheers,
Fred McClellan
The House Of Balsa Dust
home.mindspring.com/~the-plumber
Fred McClellan - 18 May 2004 01:57 GMT
>No disrespect but, the B-17 builder is a very experienced modeler. He
>has been in the hobby for decades, flies small and giant scale planes
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>time of the crash. Those kinds of stats are good enough for every
>politician! Maybe they just wanted him to feel good?

<SNIP>

Neither did I mean to disparage the builder, particularly since I have
no idea who it may be.

I've simply never heard anyone complain about Maratuka kits, ever,
except when it turned out they'd got something very wrong somewhere.

I would think if the B-17 was a known bad flyer we'd have heard a lot
more about it, like the infamous peeling cylinder liners, certain
aerobatic models shedding wings, and so on.

The odd behavior of _other models_ in the same area is something to
follow up on, though.

I know of one field which, unless they've changed things around their
sun shelter with it's original tin roof, had a no-man's land about 100
feet out and 20 feet up from the 000 approach.

I could reliably and predictably get FM equipped models to have a
momentary snit while passing through that window, where the most
notable thing was a throttle excursion you could hear, and I'm half
deaf.

AM equipped models didn't miss a beat no matter how many times I
tried.

The culprit was multipath interference in the FM receivers, and  it
was the particular arrangement of the sun shelter tin roof, an
ungrounded chain link fence, and a set of metal light poles.

Avoid the 'window', no problem.  Fly through the window, glitch ever
time.

FWIW.
Cheers,
Fred McClellan
The House Of Balsa Dust
home.mindspring.com/~the-plumber
Bill - 17 May 2004 16:50 GMT
You can get the plans from Ziroli, http://www.ziroliplans.com/welcome.html
A really good construction article: http://rc-b25.freewebspace.com/
The best deal on a short kit: www.laserlizard.com (I have one of these, they
are great kits)
101" or 118" wingspan. Take your pick
Good Luck
Bill

> Hello
> I'm considering trying to build a B25 0r Dc3.RC
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>
> Ps Sorry, my English is not good.
 
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