Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / June 2004

How about the e-mail address g8tr8@aol.com?  Or is this another C. O. Jones?
I guess Kevin is owed an apology for thinking you were both the same person.

RS

I'm convinced you're just a pimply-faced brat teenager who steals time
on daddy's computer.

"Coward is as a coward does" ?

What the f.ck is that ?

You're the one making "challenges".

"Want to make something of it ?"

I figger 7th, maybe 8th grade at most.

Or is that your education level ?

Go play with the horsies and let the big boys alone before they pinch
your head, bozo.

More AMA 'expertise' from an outsider.

Absolutely.  I _always_ reply in kind, as you well know.

Do recall you used the term "real slime".

Close, real close.

Your first missive in this news group, in November of last year, had
to do with why you should bless AMA with your presence.

I replied, citing a number of reasons.

Your retort was to call me "paranoid".

You've been at it ever since, and have antagonized a goodly number of
long-time participants in the news group in so doing.

Have you read the posts asking why participation in the news group is
at an all time low ?

I think it is because of your antagonistic tendencies to engage in
personal belittlement and insults that is the direct cause of the
demise of the group.

What's wrong with the group is YOU.

More insults, more antagonism.

You don't know what you're talking about, aren't an AMA member, don't
have recourse to make your opinion known to the AMA leadership, and do
_you_ know what ?  Your opinion as to whether the special election
must be held or an appointment can be made is moot because you don't
get a ballot and you don't get to tell anyone in AMA how _we_ should
go about our business.

According to the AMA By-Laws, the option to appoint an interim
replacement only exists when the death of the DVP occurs within three
months of the normal end of term.

That's what the rules say, and that's what is supposed to happen.

That some of us detested Jim McNeill ought to be proof even to you
that he and other members of the EC have been flouting the By-Laws for
decades, and the appointment of one of his cronies is just more
flouting of the By-Laws by the remaining members of the EC who think
they can still get away with such antics.

Well, bub, Dave Brown's Yes-Man is dead and buried, so the automajik
seconding of his agenda items just came to a screaming halt, and that
cannot bode but well for AMA as a whole.

The death of Jim McNeill allows for the possibility that we just might
be able to do business the way the By-Laws say we're supposed to do
business.

All the reasons for joining AMA are all still there and all still
valid.

Opting to remain outside an organization because one individual is
already in that organization is hardly a sound reason.

Who don't you like ?

I'd bet you can find any number of folk you don't like, and can find
reason not to join whatever organization they are part of just because
you don't like them.

Really logical thinking there, bub.

You aren't going to affect my participation in the hobby or AMA one
whit.  I can't affect YOUR participation in the hobby _or_ AMA one
whit, so what I think about you has no bearing on your participation
in either.

Your position that AMA is all bad because you don't like me is sheer
nonsense, and the sad part is that you're just too arrogant and
stubborn to see what good AMA does and might do for you.

Stay on the outside if you want, but your sage counsel regarding AMA
matters is singularly worthless until you have a ballot in your hand.

Otherwise, you comments about the proceedings of AMA is the real
_rant_.

Someone has not got this message. :-)

From: "Judith Dunlap" <tinytiger@worldnet.att.net>
SNIP
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Leader Member

BIG SNIP

Judi Dunlap
Vice President
District 5

Dave Matthewson is taking a long hard look at that very section.

What he did relate is that on previous occasions of a DVPs expiration,
the EC did different things according to how they felt at the time,
and on the last instance noted that all previous instances were
handled differently and also noted the "failing of the By-Laws"
(Dave's words, not mine) to adequate define the process by which a
deceased DVP is replaced.

It appears that the extant EC will have to figure out, once and for
all, what the drafters of the relevant sections had in mind, if
possible.

As we know full well, the EC can do whatever the EC decides they can
do, and we'll all find out after the deed is done.  Whether they abide
by the By-Laws as written or invent yet another way to do things is
not something we're likely to affect, except as some of us are
consulted by those very same EC members.

I spent the better part of last evening and this morning composing a
response to Dave's query on the issue, and hopefully it all made
sense.

I think we have Dave to thank for helping stymie some of the more
lunatic agenda items that have come from District V in recent years.

I do know that the "flood of e-mails" described by one former EC
member had a major effect on two of those same nutty ideas, namely the
CD punishment item and the Leader Member item.

If the EC do nothing more than abide by the By-Laws as written,
they'll have to adhere to the bit about holding a special election.
given that the three month interim appointment schtick is an exception
to the rule, ostensibly to prevent having to pay for two elections
back to back.

If they collectively choose to interpret the By-Laws every which way,
who knows what course of action they'll take.

I do know that Dave is also taking a hard look at the business of
handing out AMA memberships, Leader Member status, and District
appointments in one fell swoop, because District V faces the distinct
possibility of having a DVP who has done nothing to acquire the
experience to lead a District, has been an AMA member right at four
years, and has never built or flown a model aircraft.

Duh . . . that sounds awfully familiar . . . .

Wasn't my question, it was YOURS, dimwit, just like the schoolyard
bully you are.

If you think I'm going to put my address in a USENET news group you're
a bigger idiot than I had ever imagined.

Now f.ck off, dolt.