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Red Scholefield - 28 May 2004 04:41 GMT
Just suppose the AMA By-Laws are to be followed.

Article IX
Section 3. To be eligible to discharge the duties of AMA President, a
nominee must be a Leader member of the AMA and must previously have served
as a member of the Executive Council or as Associate Vice President or as a
Contest Board member for at least one year. To be eligible to discharge the
duties of an elected AMA officer other than President, a nominee must be a
Leader member of the AMA. To be eligible to discharge the duties of an
appointed AMA officer, including Associate Vice President, Contest Board
member, and Contest Coordinator, an appointee must be a Leader member of the
AMA.

An individual is NOT an AMA member but is appointed as Contest Coordinator
and made an AMA member with Leadrship Member status at the time of the
appointment. Would this be in keeping with the above?  If this is not in
keeping with the above would further appointments such as AVP and
subsequenly interim VP be valid?
Just wondering.

Red S.
C.O.Jones - 28 May 2004 09:57 GMT
I would suggest you throw the question at DB and company and let them answer
it.  However, I also suspect your letters may not be as welcome there as
some others.

Chuck

> Just suppose the AMA By-Laws are to be followed.
>
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>
> Red S.
Red Scholefield - 28 May 2004 13:33 GMT
We know their answer. They essentially ignor the issue. The case is real as
far as we can determine. The individual appointed is still in the position
and now has been appointed as VP for our District for the next 7 months. No
vote on the part of the members is deemed necessary.

Red s.

> I would suggest you throw the question at DB and company and let them answer
> it.  However, I also suspect your letters may not be as welcome there as
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> >
> > Red S.
C.O.Jones - 28 May 2004 20:38 GMT
> We know their answer. They essentially ignor the issue. The case is real as
> far as we can determine. The individual appointed is still in the position
> and now has been appointed as VP for our District for the next 7 months. No
> vote on the part of the members is deemed necessary.

And maybe a vote isn't needed!  I don't know since I'm not privy to the
necessary information to make such a decision.  Which is why I suggest you
take the issue up with DB and the EC in the first place.  Otherwise it looks
like all you're doing is bitching here for the sake of bitching!
Pete Kerezman - 29 May 2004 15:42 GMT
>> We know their answer. They essentially ignor the issue. The case is real
>as
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>take the issue up with DB and the EC in the first place.  Otherwise it looks
>like all you're doing is bitching here for the sake of bitching!

 And then along comes jones, purely to bitch about the bitching.
Sheesh.

Texas Pete
Herb  Winston - 30 May 2004 01:39 GMT
Sigh, so true...

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and he may sound like an idiot,
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He really is an idiot.

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>
> >> We know their answer. They essentially ignor the issue. The case is real
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> Texas Pete
C.O.Jones - 30 May 2004 17:14 GMT
>   And then along comes jones, purely to bitch about the bitching.
> Sheesh.

Sure thing Pete!  So much easier to bitch about things here than to actually
take the chance of doing something about them!  I'm sure that's why you and
a lot of others post here and in other groups!  Because it does so much good
for the hobby!
Dr1Driver - 30 May 2004 22:16 GMT
> So much easier to bitch about things here than to actually
>take the chance of doing something about them!  

And since you are not a member of the AMA, you can do NOTHING BUT bitch!
Right?
Dr.1 Driver
"There's a Hun in the sun!"
C.O.Jones - 31 May 2004 12:45 GMT
> > So much easier to bitch about things here than to actually
> >take the chance of doing something about them!
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> Dr.1 Driver
> "There's a Hun in the sun!"

Actually Dr, I contribute in my own small way.  I sponsor a flying site on
my property.  I am also in the process of purchasing 100 acres to move the
site to permanently.  How many flying sites have you bought?
Dr1Driver - 31 May 2004 15:28 GMT
>Actually Dr, I contribute in my own small way.  I sponsor a flying site on
>my property.

In the past 20+ years I've contributed AMA dues, club dues, helped support
several local hobby shops (thereby supporting independent businesses) and
helped support mail-order R/C suppliers.  I have also contributed as an AMA
contest director, a club instructor and a club officer in various capacities.

Now, I have a few questions about your personal site.

1.  Do you allow anyone else to use your site?

2.  If so, what do you charge for the privilege?

3.  How much are your initiation fees, annual fees, landing fees, or however
your charges are incurred?

4.  What are your site rules?

5.  What type of insurance do you offer your guests and how much do you charge
for it?

6.  What facilities does your site offer?

7.  Where is your site located?

8.  Is your site "open to the public" or "by invitation only"?

>How many flying sites have you bought?

None personally.  However, by supporting my local clubs, shops and the AMA, I
have helped acquire and maintain numerous flying fields all over the
country...as does everyone who is a member of AMA.

Dr.1 Driver
"There's a Hun in the sun!"
Warren - 01 Jun 2004 00:48 GMT
> In the past 20+ years I've contributed AMA dues, club dues, helped support
> several local hobby shops (thereby supporting independent businesses) and
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>
> 8.  Is your site "open to the public" or "by invitation only"?

I've got $5 that says he won't answer #7 with a real, verifyable address
right here in this newsgroup, and you left off the third option for #8
which would be "by imagination only".

Warren.
Red Scholefield - 01 Jun 2004 02:09 GMT
Look for C. O. Jones to suddenly disappear - as he appeared coincidentally
with Kline's departure sometime last fall. But he will be back under another
bogus name/address but with unmistakable MO. Must be lonesome at his private
100 acre flying field. He and KK may not be the same individual however.
Maybe the powers that be on this newsgroup are being kind to us and only
allow one of the Kline/Jones type at a time.

RS

DR1 said:

> > 8.  Is your site "open to the public" or "by invitation only"?

You replied:

> I've got $5 that says he won't answer #7 with a real, verifyable address
> right here in this newsgroup, and you left off the third option for #8
> which would be "by imagination only".
>
> Warren.
James D Jones - 01 Jun 2004 14:34 GMT
Oh, I hope he'll drop the Jones moniker.  Being one who was born to the
name Jones, I'd rather not have it associated with the many horrible
posts he has left here.

Jim Jones (AMA 501383)

> Look for C. O. Jones to suddenly disappear - as he appeared
> coincidentally with Kline's departure sometime last fall. But he will
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>
> RS
C.O.Jones - 01 Jun 2004 21:06 GMT
> >Actually Dr, I contribute in my own small way.  I sponsor a flying site on
> >my property.
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> have helped acquire and maintain numerous flying fields all over the
> country...as does everyone who is a member of AMA.

Let me know when your contribution matches the going price of 100 acres of
prime farm land and then we can talk.  As for addresses, I simply do not
post any addresses on such forums as this.  My choice to make!  You'll just
have to accept it!

And you can find answers to several if not most of your questions in earlier
posts.  I suggest you look them up!

As for the combined efforts by several to corner me into a catch 22?  Let me
just say, I don't play those games.  Especially not with the mentally
infantile.  And in particular with you Red, get over this obsession of yours
with this Kline character!  Either that or propose to the man and get it
over with!

As for the rest of you in this little game, I've gathered what I want.  Now
I'll leave you to your own devices!  No!  That doesn't mean I'm leaving the
news group.  Just ignoring the uneducated, infantile and plane stupid!
Warren - 01 Jun 2004 21:54 GMT
>>As for addresses, I simply do not
> post any addresses on such forums as this.

Figured as much.

The old "invisible flying site" trick.
Dr1Driver - 01 Jun 2004 22:28 GMT
>The old "invisible flying site" trick.

Yea, and he doesn't remember which lie he told so he can re-post his
"accomplishments" to the Group.
Dr.1 Driver
"There's a Hun in the sun!"
C.O.Jones - 03 Jun 2004 10:51 GMT
> >The old "invisible flying site" trick.
>
> Yea, and he doesn't remember which lie he told so he can re-post his
> "accomplishments" to the Group.
> Dr.1 Driver
> "There's a Hun in the sun!"

Typical for this group!  Seek out the worse possible explanation!  And I was
called a bully?  What Fred said to you guys!
Fred McClellan - 04 Jun 2004 06:54 GMT
>> >The old "invisible flying site" trick.
>>
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>Typical for this group!  Seek out the worse possible explanation!  And I was
>called a bully?  What Fred said to you guys!

Not enough spine to say what he means . . .

Wutta nasshole.
C.O.Jones - 04 Jun 2004 11:11 GMT
> On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:51:04 -0400, "C.O.Jones"
>
> Not enough spine to say what he means . . .
>
> Wutta nasshole.

No Fred!  Just far greater respect for my fellow humans.  Even those I don't
like.  Something you obviously lack!
But oh yea!  I did say fellow humans!
Paul McIntosh - 04 Jun 2004 20:39 GMT
FRED!  The pledge!

--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com

> > On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:51:04 -0400, "C.O.Jones"
> >
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> like.  Something you obviously lack!
> But oh yea!  I did say fellow humans!
Fred McClellan - 05 Jun 2004 00:39 GMT
>FRED!  The pledge!

You take the pledge.

It doesn't work and you know it.

The only reason you're not being attacked again is that you've not
irritated the bastard.  You will, no doubt, and you'll see what the
pledge gets you.
C.O.Jones - 05 Jun 2004 01:28 GMT
> >FRED!  The pledge!
>
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> irritated the bastard.  You will, no doubt, and you'll see what the
> pledge gets you.

Which bastard is irritated Fred?  Me or you?  My parents were married for
three years before I was born!  Guess you win!
C.O.Jones - 05 Jun 2004 01:54 GMT
> FRED!  The pledge!

How can I trust people with my personal information when they can't even
keep a promise to themselves?
Fred McClellan - 05 Jun 2004 00:37 GMT
>          Just far greater respect for my fellow humans.  Even those I don't
>like.

As long as they conform to your sense of morality.

Some respect.

Your way or the highway, eh ?

You have far greater respect for your fellow humans.  Even those you
don't like.

You would force me to abide by your sensibilities, but when you want
to be rude you just can't do it on your own.

Someone in another thread told you to get a life.

He was right.
C.O.Jones - 05 Jun 2004 01:53 GMT
> >The old "invisible flying site" trick.
>
> Yea, and he doesn't remember which lie he told so he can re-post his
> "accomplishments" to the Group.
> Dr.1 Driver
> "There's a Hun in the sun!"

So let me get this straight DR!  I refuse to post contact info (addresses)
and that makes me guilty of lying?  Let's add some facts here and see if you
can keep up!

Fact is, there are people who harvest such information from the internet in
a variety of ways for a variety or purposes.  Some of this is harmless but
way too much of it results in annoyance, harassment, maliciousness and out
right evil.  This is well documented in a number of venues.  Look it up!

Looking at the archives of this news group there is ample evidence that
harvested data has been used by members of this group in attempts to
humiliate, harass and discredit others!  And who knows how this info has
been used by them outside of this group?  And not once but numerous times!

And now you want me to provide you with my info?  Let me explain this so
even Fred can understand it!  You have not demonstrated to me that you can
be trusted enough for me to post such info publicly on this group!  Let
alone others here who have demonstrated in the past their lack of trust
worthiness!  And this makes ME guilty?  What kind of drugs are you on
anyway?  And I challenge you to provide me with something to cause me to
trust you.
JTHeinz - 06 Jun 2004 13:16 GMT
The only question DR ask, that would divulge personal information or
addresses is Q. #7. The other 7 seven questions are legitimate. So,
why don't you omit #7 and answer the others. You ask others what they
have contributed and now it's your turn to respond. I challenge you to
answer them Mr. Jones.
   
> So let me get this straight DR!  I refuse to post contact info (addresses)
> and that makes me guilty of lying?  Let's add some facts here and see if you
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> anyway?  And I challenge you to provide me with something to cause me to
> trust you.
tomb046 - 30 May 2004 05:01 GMT
And since you have no stake in the situation by being a non-member all your
doing is making noise. Please Sir go lay down somewhere and be quite your
bothering people.

Tomb
C.O.Jones - 30 May 2004 17:16 GMT
> And since you have no stake in the situation by being a non-member all your
> doing is making noise. Please Sir go lay down somewhere and be quite your
> bothering people.

No stake?  Certainly not in the AMA proper.  But as a successful business
man does than mean I may not have useful advice?  Or better still, as an R/C
modeler am I not affected by what the AMA does or does not do?

Please Sir, consider what I have said.
Bob B - 31 May 2004 14:11 GMT
> > And since you have no stake in the situation by being a non-member all
>  your
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>
> Please Sir, consider what I have said.

You call this advice?? Your bitching at someone who has spent the
better part of his life trying to help out the R/C community and the
ama and then try to pawn that off as advice. get a fricken life Jones
Red has done more for R/C than most people will ever do and he sure
don't need someone who is not even an ama member getting on his case.
Red has tried for years to make a change in district 5 for the better
of it's members, Just what the hell have you done for the R/C
community that gives you the right to chastise him about anything?
C.O.Jones - 31 May 2004 14:16 GMT
> You call this advice?? Your bitching at someone who has spent the
> better part of his life trying to help out the R/C community and the
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> of it's members, Just what the hell have you done for the R/C
> community that gives you the right to chastise him about anything?

I participate by providing a place for a flying site on my property.
Perhaps I should reconsider?
But what gives you the right to say I have no say?
 
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