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D. B. Rea - 02 Jun 2004 17:36 GMT
I'm trying to do a little amateur statistical analysis on the future trend
of AMA dues.  Can anyone tell me the years and the new dues rates since
about 1980 or so?  I know that when I joined about 10 years ago the dues
were in the 35-to-40 dollar range, but I don't have exact records.
I do know that the $58 dues we have been paying recently seemed sort of
outrageous to me.  I toyed with the idea of quitting altogether, but the
access to the local flying field and the camaraderie with the other club
members are more valuable to me than a probably-unnoticed political
statement-  so I just bought a life membership in AMA.  
I know that sounds insane to some, but I figure that at age 47, I will
probably get my money's worth out of it, even if the dues never increase
again.  I thought I might brush up on my rusty curve-fitting skills,
developed when I worked at an analytical chemistry lab, and see if I can
determine any likely AMA future dues trends.
Basically, I'm a cheapskate with a touch of buyers' remorse.  Now I want to
use some statistical analysis to reassure myself that I did the right
thing.
What I should probably be doing is going out to the field and brushing up
on my landings!

cheers-

Dan Rea
RedFred1 - 02 Jun 2004 17:44 GMT
All I have noticed is the correlation of the dues to the size/expense of the
Muncie facility. Expect an increase as the facility and the worker force
expands.

There will be many, many, many....ad infinitum...replies, insults, finger
pointing, and recriminations to follow.

FredD

>I'm trying to do a little amateur statistical analysis on the future trend
>of AMA dues.  Can anyone tell me the years and the new dues rates since
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>probably get my money's worth out of it, even if the dues never increase
>again.
Mark Lee - 02 Jun 2004 22:24 GMT
> I'm trying to do a little amateur statistical analysis on the future trend
> of AMA dues.  Can anyone tell me the years and the new dues rates since
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> developed when I worked at an analytical chemistry lab, and see if I can
> determine any likely AMA future dues trends.

If you can afford a life membership why worry?

> Basically, I'm a cheapskate with a touch of buyers' remorse.  Now I want to
> use some statistical analysis to reassure myself that I did the right
> thing.

Make sure you do it right.  Remember, there's lies, there's damn lies...
and then there's statistics.  I wish you better luck than the Bureau of
Meteorology or any other soothsayer peering at some chicken's innards.

> What I should probably be doing is going out to the field and brushing up
> on my landings!

You payed for it, now go and enjoy it.

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Mark Lee

Carl Barkman - 03 Jun 2004 05:04 GMT
how much is a lifetime membership?

carlb

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> > of AMA dues.  Can anyone tell me the years and the new dues rates since
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> Mark Lee
tomb046 - 03 Jun 2004 03:57 GMT
If I remember correctly in 2001 when I joined Dues were $48.00. I like many
others am not particularly thrilled with the way ama does things, But there
are any number of organization's that fit into that same lot.

For what it's worth and this is purely my 0.02 worth I joined to fill a need
at the local club, and for the insurance, no political inspiration's here.
If you were to need the insurance once it would be worth what you spent.
Hope you & I never need it.

Tomb
Tom Minger - 03 Jun 2004 04:16 GMT
As I recollect, the really big jump in AMA dues came when the AMA went into
the magazine publishing business. Quite some time ago the AMA "news" was a
section of American Modeler magazine (I think that was the one) then the
magazine went belly up. At that point and with a large amount of apparent
membership opposition, the AMA acquired the magazine. For several years the
magazine was a membership option, then it became a requirement.

Now, for those who care, any AMA news can be found on the AMA web site.
Makes ya wonder why we still need a mandatory magazine.......

> I'm trying to do a little amateur statistical analysis on the future trend
> of AMA dues.  Can anyone tell me the years and the new dues rates since
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>
> Dan Rea
jeboba - 04 Jun 2004 00:57 GMT
Dang People! A lot of you spend $20-30 a year to subscribe to a
magazine...or worse yet, buy it monthly off the stand. The AMA mag is full
of good info. Why do I belong to AMA?

1. A large single voice for the hobby.
2. Insurance.
3. Promoting the hobby with youth educational program materials.
4. Preservation of R/C frequencies!
5. A good magazine.

If that ain't worth 58 bucks a year, I don't know what is! That is 15.8
CENTS a day! You can't even get a pack of gum for that anymore!

> As I recollect, the really big jump in AMA dues came when the AMA went into
> the magazine publishing business. Quite some time ago the AMA "news" was a
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> >
> > Dan Rea
Six_O'Clock_High - 03 Jun 2004 05:56 GMT
Dan,
Figure out how much tax advantage the life membership will give you because
the difference is what you need to worry about.  Carry that the difference
across how long you expect to be modeling.  For girns lets say you are in
the 25% bracket you will only be 'spending' about 1125, which (at the
current rate) will just cover 19 years of membership costs.  If you can
afford a life membership, that strongly suggests your tax rate is more than
25%.

.

> I'm trying to do a little amateur statistical analysis on the future trend
> of AMA dues.  Can anyone tell me the years and the new dues rates since
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>
> Dan Rea
Fred McClellan - 03 Jun 2004 09:49 GMT
>Dan,
>Figure out how much tax advantage the life membership will give you because
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>afford a life membership, that strongly suggests your tax rate is more than
>25%.

If you can afford a Life Membership, that strongly suggests you intend
supporting AMA's activities and probably that you intend remaining in
this nutty hobby for the foreseeable future.

It doesn't strongly suggest anything about your tax liability and it
certainly doesn't suggest one way or another whether your budget can
take the hit.

People don't spend money because it might get them a deduction, they
spend money because they want to spend it and most spend money they
don't have.

Life Membership is $1500, and you can spread the payments over three
years if you want.

Since there are by definition no tangible benefits to membership the
LM fee becomes a tax-deductible contribution to a 501(C)3
organization, AMA.

If you can itemize you can deduct the contribution, but since
deductions historically yield no more than about $0.25 on the dollar,
it's not likely you'll find any tax advantage to be had, and any
increase in your tax refund might be enough to go shopping on the
dollar menu at McArches.   You won't be kicking The Donald out of
Trump Tower just because you made an LM contribution to AMA.

While it's not likely that the membership dues will remain fixed over
a quarter-century, an LM contribution today would be amortized in that
time.  As dues increase over time the break-even point is earlier.

I don't know many people who have LM status and who can reasonably
expect to be an active modeler 25 years hence.  I made the LM
contribution a year or so ago, and at my age and medical history it's
a good bet I won't get anywhere near breaking even.

OTOH since I'm done with paying AMA dues, I don't care what happens to
the rate.

There's a little chuckle to be had every year when the membership
renewal and ballot form show up.  Odder yet are the years between
elections in my District (V).  The form shows up anyway, and it's a
non-entity - no ballot, only a reminder that my annual membership card
will be mailed shortly.

There's also a little black humor associated with annual club
renewals.  Seems none of the clubs in which I hold membership
understand what a Life Membership means, so every year I get to send
in the club renewal fee and a copy of my LM card.

Duh . . .

The importance of the Life Membership is two-fold.

First, AMA gets 25 years' worth of membership fees in a lump sum, a
small bit of extra capital to accomplish it's goals.

Secondly, you get the satisfaction of having made a goodly
contribution to a worth-while organization, one which has as it's only
purpose the fostering of model aviation.  (That some of our "leaders"
don't seem to be focused any too well on that fostering bit may be
grist for another mill.)

There is one other 'advantage' to Life Membership - you can watch with
some degree of amusement while folks howl and whine about dues
increases, because you will be unaffected.

You'll come to realize that the howling and whining is being done by a
bunch of folks who are picking the proverbial nits about dues
increases which have historically been less than the price of a jug of
glow fuel,  and know that those same folks probably have several
thousand samoleons tied up in toy airplanes any one of which can be
destroyed by a single "Hey guys, watch _this_ !".

With all the dues increases AMA has ever had, the cost of a year's
membership is _still_ less than the cost of taking SWMBO out for a
decent dinner at a restaurant where the waiter speaks English.

Our Dish Network monthly bill is more than a year's worth of AMA dues,
and I get a _lot_ more enjoyment out my modeling activities than from
that stupid box.
Six_O'Clock_High - 03 Jun 2004 22:49 GMT
> >Dan,
> >Figure out how much tax advantage the life membership will give you because
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> and I get a _lot_ more enjoyment out my modeling activities than from
> that stupid box.

Fred,
We have never found enough decent programming on any combination of
cable/satellite/air to PAY them for it.  Other than that, I agree with you
even if your point of view is different.  Not wrong, just different.
Fred McClellan - 04 Jun 2004 07:11 GMT
>Fred,
>We have never found enough decent programming on any combination of
>cable/satellite/air to PAY them for it.  Other than that, I agree with you
>even if your point of view is different.  Not wrong, just different.

There are scant few programs I watch.

There is one program on UPN, one on Discovery Wings, one on Sci-Fi,
and two on PBS I watch.  Otherwise Newton Minnow was quite right.
Rich Lockyer - 03 Jun 2004 08:26 GMT
>I'm trying to do a little amateur statistical analysis on the future trend
>of AMA dues.  Can anyone tell me the years and the new dues rates since
>about 1980 or so?  I know that when I joined about 10 years ago the dues
>were in the 35-to-40 dollar range, but I don't have exact records.
>I do know that the $58 dues we have been paying recently seemed sort of

Dues have not kept pace with inflation.
Modern inflation rates allow for a doubling of prices every 10 years.

So why are you paying $58?  I've been renewing for 2 years lately.
#1, it gives me a jump on a dues increase for the next year so I save,
and I also save because there is a discount for renewing for a 2-year
period.

I honestly didn't realize that current dues were $58.  I think I paid
$95 or $99 for my last 2-year renewal.

 --- Rich
 http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
jeboba - 04 Jun 2004 00:53 GMT
Oh come on! How much has everything else gone up? Break, milk, your car
insurance, HEALTH insurance, etc!!!!?  AMA's costs have gone up too. An
increase of $18-23 over ten years is a BARGAIN! That translates to an
increase of 5-6 CENTS a DAY!

If your hobby isn't that important to you, find another one!

> I'm trying to do a little amateur statistical analysis on the future trend
> of AMA dues.  Can anyone tell me the years and the new dues rates since
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> Dan Rea
 
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