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Li-Poly Batteries

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Bill - 14 Jun 2004 17:39 GMT
A long time RC'r. Excellent builder, good, safe pilot. Guy got into
electrics a few years ago. The fire started in the hobby room. House was
fully involved when the trucks rolled up. A friend who works for the Fire
Department told me it was an L-Poly battery explosion. Cost him a 400K house
and everything in it. They just barely made it out of the house with their
lives.
Be careful with that stuff.
Mike Wizynajtys - 14 Jun 2004 18:31 GMT
Best thing to do is get a tiny fireproof safe. Then charge and store the
Li-Polys in there. Those safes are a $10-$15 item from Walmart. Well
worth the small investment.

Wiz

> A long time RC'r. Excellent builder, good, safe pilot. Guy got into
> electrics a few years ago. The fire started in the hobby room. House was
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> lives.
> Be careful with that stuff.
Mike Norton - 15 Jun 2004 00:26 GMT
> Best thing to do is get a tiny fireproof safe. Then charge and store the
> Li-Polys in there. Those safes are a $10-$15 item from Walmart. Well
> worth the small investment.
>
> Wiz

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I bought a couple of these, and I have a problem with that method.  One way
of turning a fire into an explosion is to confine it. Although the covers
are not tight, I worry about multi-cell packs generating enough force to
blow the lock and hinge apart.  My pack is 18 1500 mAH cells, and I will
soon have three of them.

Just for grins, I drilled a 9/16 hole through the top of one and installed a
cardboard tube used by Great Planes as a wing screw guide.  Applying a shop
vac to the hole did convince me that there is quite a bit of leakage around
the edge of the closed top, but - is it enough?  Any better ideas?

I am seriously considering a test using the drilled safe with wires going
down the paper tube to overcharge the pack, and sealing the tube with
silicon seal.  (One pack got severely over-discharged, and the only thing I
can think of to do with it is use it as a test article.)  However, if
someone has already done this, I would rather not.

As far as charging at home - I will charge an 18-cell pack in the fireplace
with the damper open and a metal shield between the battery being charged
and the screen and doors on the fireplace.  I plan to leave the pack
unattended or at least not closely attended while charging.

-- Mike Norton
Frank Costa - 15 Jun 2004 19:26 GMT
Geez. You guys got me thinking it might just be best to chrage them at the
field only.

> > Best thing to do is get a tiny fireproof safe. Then charge and store the
> > Li-Polys in there. Those safes are a $10-$15 item from Walmart. Well
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>
> -- Mike Norton
Bob - 15 Jun 2004 22:16 GMT
> Geez. You guys got me thinking it might just be best to chrage them at the
> field only.

Think how mad your buddies would be if you burned down the flying field!!!!
;-)

Good flying,
Bob Scott
jeboba - 16 Jun 2004 05:09 GMT
We may need to bring back the back yard bomb shelters they were pushing in
the 60's as a place to charge our lipo's! :-)

> > Geez. You guys got me thinking it might just be best to chrage them at the
> > field only.
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Frank Costa - 14 Jun 2004 18:33 GMT
If this is true, I feel very badly for the man. For this to happen, the
batteries would have have to been damaged or charged improperly. On top of
that they would also have to be unmonitored and NOT in a fireproof
container. It doesn't sound like he was being very safe IMO, unless there
are some very unusual circumstances here.

> A long time RC'r. Excellent builder, good, safe pilot. Guy got into
> electrics a few years ago. The fire started in the hobby room. House was
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> lives.
> Be careful with that stuff.
Bill - 14 Jun 2004 18:58 GMT
Frank
I assure you, it's a true story. He has been using these batteries since
they became available. Knowing him, I get the feeling that he probably
plugged the pack into the wrong charger and went to bed. The fire happened
in the middle of the night. He was fully aware of the safety issues
concerning these batteries. As far as I know, he had a fireproof box. I will
find out more details later.

> If this is true, I feel very badly for the man. For this to happen, the
> batteries would have have to been damaged or charged improperly. On top of
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> > lives.
> > Be careful with that stuff.
BÿkrDan - 15 Jun 2004 18:24 GMT
I got a bit of a warning myself not long ago - I put a tiny (230 mAh),
brand-new LiPoly on the Potensky, then went about my business around the
house.  Later, I realized I'd better check on it before I went to sleep and
returned to find it completely ballooned out, much like a pan of Jiffy-Pop.

I had failed to configure the tiny dip-switch charge block for a single
cell, from my usual two-cell pack.  I became complacent about charging,
since the charger had worked fine on the two-cell pack without incident for
years...

I was afraid to get near the thing to unplug it.

Dan.

> A long time RC'r. Excellent builder, good, safe pilot. Guy got into
> electrics a few years ago. The fire started in the hobby room. House was
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> lives.
> Be careful with that stuff.
jeboba - 15 Jun 2004 18:53 GMT
These things can be scary. I have seen some new charge limiter devices being
advertised for about 25 bucks. Might be a good investment.

> I got a bit of a warning myself not long ago - I put a tiny (230 mAh),
> brand-new LiPoly on the Potensky, then went about my business around the
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> > lives.
> > Be careful with that stuff.
 
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