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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / July 2004GP Triton charger
Hello, Last night i brought a GP (Electrifly) Triton (NIB) from my LHS. (may by a big mistake..... ..) I tried to cycle my transmitter NiHm battery (directly out of transmitter) and after discharging>delay between disch. and charging> i received this error "open circuit" All connection is perfect, not cable defect, improper plugs etc. I tried also the direct charging function and after battery checking a loud bip and the same error on screen. My procedure was incorrect or this charger is defective. !!!!! Need help !!!!!!! Why would you want to cycle a NiMH battery? Most recently mfgr'd NiCDs don't need cycling.... If near enough, why not take it back to the LHS and see what they have to say. . Arne, USA (I finally caught up with 'The Joneses') . . > Hello, > Last night i brought a GP (Electrifly) Triton (NIB) from my LHS. (may by a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Need help !!!!!!! | Why would you want to cycle a NiMH battery? Most recently mfgr'd NiCDs | don't need cycling.... Cycling is a good way to determine the remaining capacity of a battery, which is a good thing to know. While you're flying is not a good time to learn that your battery only has 20% of the original capacity left. | If near enough, why not take it back to the LHS and see what they have to | say. | > Hello, Last night i brought a GP (Electrifly) Triton (NIB) from my | > LHS. (may by a big mistake..... ..) I tried to cycle my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | > improper plugs etc. I tried also the direct charging function and | > after battery checking a loud bip and the same error on screen. Open Circuit means that the charger is not seeing the battery. A diode could cause that as Red has suggested, but the Triton CAN charge (not discharge, though) through a diode. You said the problem happened at charge rather than discharge? Perhaps something broke at that moment. I assume the charger has a fuse or two inside, perhaps that blew? (I've never opened mine up.) If so, you'll probably want to send it back for repair rather than void your warranty. Try to cycle your receiver pack, see if that works. | > My procedure was incorrect or this charger is defective. !!!!! Well, you haven't said how you checked your cables -- it's possible that they're bad, though it's pretty unlikely. | > Need help !!!!!!! Well, as suggested, going back to the LHS isn't a bad idea, unless it's not so local.  SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com I have seen the Great Pretender and he is not what he seems. There is probably a diode in the transmitter charge circuit. This would have to be bypassed in order to charge directly through the transmitter jack. Instructions for by passing the diode for some transmitters may be seen at: http://www.siriuselectronics.com/services.htm#diode_jumpering -- Red S. Red's R/C Battery Clinic http://www.rcbatteryclinic.com Check us out for "revolting" information. > Hello, > I tried to cycle my transmitter NiHm battery (directly out of transmitter) > and after discharging>delay between disch. and charging> i received this > error "open circuit" Red, > There is probably a diode in the transmitter charge circuit. He did state; > (directly out of transmitter) More likely an bad cell? -- Jim L. https://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 I read that as the battery was installed in the tx and he is trying to cycle it thru the charging plug. Could be wrong. SignatureDan AMA605992 KE6ERB http://www.fubar1.net "I've heard the screams of the vegetables..." Take out the "trash" to reply > Red, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > https://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ > Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 He said he charged it OUT of the transmitter! No diode there! > There is probably a diode in the transmitter charge circuit. This would have > to be bypassed in order to charge directly through the transmitter jack. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > and after discharging>delay between disch. and charging> i received this > > error "open circuit" | He said he charged it OUT of the transmitter! No diode there! Are you schizophrenic, or what? Right after this post, you make the same suggestion, and yet you're correcting Red now? You seem pretty fond of correcting people who aren't necessarily wrong for some strange reason ... | > There is probably a diode in the transmitter charge circuit. This | > would have to be bypassed in order to charge directly through the | > transmitter jack. Actually, the Triton *can* charge through a diode -- it just can't discharge through it (which is to be expected.) Obviously it puts a small amount of current on the output port and then measures the voltage, rather than just measuring the voltage without any current. Somebody suggested that it can't charge at high rates through a diode, which seems odd, but I'd suggest not trying -- running a lot of current through the charge circuit, which was designed to handle 100 mA at most, doesn't seem smart. It probably wouldn't fry the radio itself, but could certainly make sure that you have to remove the battery to charge if you fried the charge circuit. My radios seem to tolerate one amp through the charge circuit -- and I don't want to risk anything faster. If I need to charge them faster, I remove the battery. SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com For further information, please e-mail the Department Of Useful Guidelines on Modern Communications (DOUGMC) Yep the triton is awesome, but you very likely have a Diode tha prevents discharge from the charge port. Just remove the battery fro the TX -- pda4yo I vote for diode too... prevents discharge, not charge -- Lomceva Lomcevak Wrote: > I vote for diode too... prevents discharge, not charge. Some chargers won't charge it either as they can't read the voltage the Triton won't at higher rates. Mik -- pda4yo Did you remove the battery or leave it in the transmitter? If it's out of the transmitter, then it's either the charger or a bad pack. If in the transmitter, it's probably the diode as everyone here says. > Hello, > Last night i brought a GP (Electrifly) Triton (NIB) from my LHS. (may by a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Need help !!!!!!! Try charging the batter out of the transmitter. Most likely the diode in the tx is preventing the charger from seeing the battery. I have a Triton charger and its the best thing since sliced bread. SignatureDan AMA605992 KE6ERB http://www.fubar1.net "I've heard the screams of the vegetables..." Take out the "trash" to reply > Hello, > Last night i brought a GP (Electrifly) Triton (NIB) from my LHS. (may by a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Need help !!!!!!! "Fubar of The HillPeople" <fubar1@trashsocal.rr.com> wrote in message I have a Triton charger and its the best thing since sliced bread. I have often wondered.... What was the best thing we had BEFORE the advent of sliced bread?? Bill > "Fubar of The HillPeople" <fubar1@trashsocal.rr.com> wrote in message > > I have a Triton charger and its the best thing since sliced bread. > > I have often wondered.... What was the best thing we had BEFORE the advent > of sliced bread?? Probably the buggy whip; Because before that you had to do a lot of shouting ;-\ A sharp knife? SignatureDan AMA605992 KE6ERB http://www.fubar1.net "I've heard the screams of the vegetables..." Take out the "trash" to reply > "Fubar of The HillPeople" <fubar1@trashsocal.rr.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bill Ok . Thank for yours try to help. Maybe my English is not very good / clear but my battery trans. pack was out of transmitter. I own a Futaba 9c and the pack have like servo connector with only two wire, one red and one black. I used the regular receiver charging cable.Not diode in this circuit. The charger is defective and my LHS change it. The new one is OK. BTY, how can I know if this one have the improved / update software ? Thank again for yours time. Dino > Hello, > Last night i brought a GP (Electrifly) Triton (NIB) from my LHS. (may by a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Need help !!!!!!! Dino, there's only one "improved/updated software" version I know of and it is indicated by a green dot stuck on the base of the Triton. Cheers from Oz. > Ok . Thank for yours try to help. Maybe my English is not very good / clear > but my battery trans. pack was out of transmitter. I own a Futaba 9c and the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > > Need help !!!!!!! From everything I have been reading about various questions and problems regarding the Triton, I am certainly glad I don't own one! > Dino, there's only one "improved/updated software" version I know of and it > is indicated by a green dot stuck on the base of the Triton. Cheers from [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > > > > Need help !!!!!!! > From everything I have been reading about various questions and problems > regarding the Triton, I am certainly glad I don't own one! [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > > > > > > Need help !!!!!!! Jeboba, My Triton can deliver only 2.5 amps where I need 4.5 or more. I didn't know much about chargers and bought the first one offered by the LHS. I believe the Triton is very good for what it can do, but now I'm in the process of replacing it. I had to charge and charge again 4 to 5 times on my 1500 mAh, 11.1 V 3S Li Poly battery to get it up to voltage. If I was lucky, the battery may be charged on the first try. Anyone in the market for a good charger and not need more than 2.5 amps? Wan How much shipped? >Anyone in the market for a good charger and not need more than 2.5 >amps? > >Wan remove my-wife to reply :-) > How much shipped? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > remove my-wife to reply :-) icrashrc, I tried to respond direct email to you about "How much shipped?", but I guess I don't know how to remove "my-wife" : ) My email address can be accessed directly from this thread. So if you would email directly, we may discuss how to get the Triton charger to you. Wan AMA 773188 >I tried to respond direct email to you about "How much shipped?", but >I guess I don't know how to remove "my-wife" : ) If you look at icrashrc's e-mail address, you will find said string of letters in his address. Take out the offending letters, and the true address will be revealed. Marty > > >I tried to respond direct email to you about "How much shipped?", but [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Marty Thanks, Marty. icrashrc has responded to my email. Since then I found out how to make my Triton charge my batteries to 12.60+ V. Perhaps I could be of help if I described how this came about. I went to LHS where I bought it for help and they called Triton tech support. Their phone number is on the back of the manual. (217.398.0007) In the course of discussion, the tech person asked me to set the time limit to at least 100 minutes. It was set on no time limit before. That is, it was set on zero time so the charger was timing out. Then someone else at the shop reset the turn off emperature to about 10º over the ambient temperature, that's the temperature of the location where the charging takes place. Now the Triton is working as it should. I hope this could help. Wan > ... I found >out how to make my Triton charge my batteries to 12.60+ V. >Perhaps I could be of help if I described how this came about. I went >to LHS where I bought it for help and they called Triton tech support. >Their phone number is on the back of the manual. (217.398.0007) >In the course of discussion, the tech person asked me to set the time >limit to at least 100 minutes. It was set on no time limit before. >That is, it was set on zero time so the charger was timing out. >Then someone else at the shop reset the turn off emperature to about >10º over the ambient temperature, that's the temperature of the >location where the charging takes place. >Now the Triton is working as it should. >I hope this could help. Great information, Wan. Thanks for passing it on! Marty > > ... I found > >out how to make my Triton charge my batteries to 12.60+ V. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Marty I wonder if anyone has helped resolve Dino's problems with his charger? Wan > > ... I found > >out how to make my Triton charge my batteries to 12.60+ V. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Marty That's the kind of post I like to see. John Well let me just correct one statement I made. Yes the triton ca charge with the TX battery inside the TX and the Diode in place. I will however terminate that charge when using higher charge rates mine does every time. Just an FYI..... Mik -- pda4yo Mike, how high of a charge rate? I regularly charge my Futaba (including a 9ZAP that has the diode built into the removable batter itself) at between C/2 to 1C at the field without problems (or so thought). Anyhow, I would very much like to become educated before put too much trust in that aspect of Triton use. Thank -- Lomceva Lomecevak - mine charges at at rate for about 5 minutes but anythin over about .3 amps it terminates as I don't think it can read th battery voltage. My Airtronics with no diode can be charged at any rate, so I know i has something to do with that. Strange that your are able to. Mine is older and does not have the "update" green dot, so maybe tha has something to do with that. Strange...... Mik -- pda4yo I believe Futaba finally eliminated the diode when they brought out the 9C. At least that's what I've heard. I can field charge my 9C just fine but not my 6XAS. > Lomecevak - mine charges at at rate for about 5 minutes but anything > over about .3 amps it terminates as I don't think it can read the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > pda4you's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=9638 > View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=246022 |
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