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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / July 2004Injury, again...
A long time r/c'er in our club was injured today while holding a glow powered glider and reaching under the spinning propeller for his radio. He did not have the radio beside him, but leaning against his field box, with the plane between himself and the radio. He lost a chunk of flesh from the top of his forearm, large enough to require stitches. Stay out of harm's way, folks. This was only a 49. Last year, a new flyer in another club did not tether his plane (was going to hold it by hand), started it, wide open throttle (he did not have the radio on; throttle was wide open from previous flight). Because of full throttle and the way it was being held, it turned towards him and his arm. Almost 100 stitches in his forearm along with a severed artery. He was lucky help was nearby.... . Arne, USA (I finally caught up with 'The Joneses') . . > ... Stay out of harm's way, folks. ... Thanks for the reminders, Arne. It's amazing how little it takes to pick up a major injury. :o( Marty >> ... Stay out of harm's way, folks. ... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Marty Speaking of which - a few weeks ago, I found a new way to for the airplane to hurt me. I'd just started the engine and went to pull off the ni-starter. Well, when the ni-starter should have popped off, somehow it hung up on one side of the glow plug and instead swung forward, taking my thumb into the back of the prop. Fortunately, it was the *back* of the prop (and a little of the tip, unfortunately), and the engine wasn't much over idle, so I didn't require stitches - I got off easy! Sure stung, though, and dripped blood all over the back of my car while I was fishing around for the bandages. Anyway, it's yet another thing to be careful about. Like we needed another thing to be careful about.  Signature"Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarcely get your feet wet." - Deteriorata >It's amazing how little it takes to pick up >a major injury. > Marty Believe it ! Just the other day I was hand launching a little clone 'XBow' reverse-swept wing powered a 280 size electric motor, spinning a 'Wingo' pusher prop. I got zanged right between the thumb and first finger and was bleeding all over the place. And that was just from a 'toy'. Bill(oc) >>It's amazing how little it takes to pick up >>a major injury. Several years ago, a friend of mine started his plane, slid the ni-starter into his pocket, and walked to the flight station. About 3 minutes into the flight, the dance (and language) that was evident was too funny for words as he tried to remove the ni-starter from his pocket when it shorted against his car keys. Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!" > A long time r/c'er in our club was injured today while holding a glow > powered glider and reaching under the spinning propeller for his radio. He > did not have the radio beside him, but leaning against his field box, with > the plane between himself and the radio. He lost a chunk of flesh from the > top of his forearm, large enough to require stitches. <snip> . > Arne, USA (I finally caught up with 'The Joneses') > . Been there, done that, and have the scars to prove it. My boo-boo was trying to reach through the prop to remove my glow starter. Shows that even the most experienced, seasoned flyer can do something really dumb every now and then. Spinning props are no laughing matter. Think of them as blender blades waiting to puree unsuspecting body parts. The big thing is to always stay behind the prop unless you're starting it. Then, make sure someone or something is holding the model. The sight of models chasing and chopping up their owners isn't pretty. :-( Morris > A long time r/c'er in our club was injured today while holding a glow > powered glider and reaching under the spinning propeller for his radio. He [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > . > Arne, USA (I finally caught up with 'The Joneses') Accidents happen and it is good that someone points out the ramifications of being careless. However, it seems to me that no matter how hard we yell at idiots, they still manage to mess things up enough to drop blood all over the place. Well you can now rejoice. One of the candidates for AMA president is the guy who wants us all to have APPOINTED safety nazies who can say you may or may not fly. This appointed guy is not supposed to answer to your local club, but to the AMA. He is supposed to investigate every incident. Hope you don't break any props. > Accidents happen and it is good that someone points out the ramifications of > being careless. However, it seems to me that no matter how hard we yell at [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > answer to your local club, but to the AMA. He is supposed to investigate > every incident. Hope you don't break any props. And who, may I ask, is this guy so I don't do something really stupid and vote for him? How is this appointed "safety person" gonna enforce the regulations? Is he or she supposed to stay at the field every day of the week from daylight till dark and shoo off anybody he or she feels is incompetent, dumb, has a plane with an objectionable color scheme or heaven knows what else? You can set rules, but people are gonna do dumb things occasionally. Morris > > Accidents happen and it is good that someone points out the ramifications > of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Morris Morris, The questions you asked are only the tip of the iceberg and the implications are not nice. To answer your question, we need to look at the candidates (as selected by the Nominating Committee on July 2, 2004): The candidates for President are: Dave Brown Dave Mathewson Bill Oberdieck Dave Brown (in public and private) is concerned that we are not taking safety seriously enough, so *I* would say he supports this idea more than opposes it. Dave Mathewson has not publicly set a course on it, but I have heard he dislikes the total package even though there ARE parts he thinks we need to address. The written report was submitted to the AMA EC by a committe headed by Bill Oberdieck. So I am fairly sure the idea has his name on it. This was my take on it yesterday. I hit "Reply" instead of "Reply to Group". So my comment went nowhere: Even if he got his way, who would have the time to do all this skulking about? Oh yeah, make them part of Homeland Security... Tom > This was my take on it yesterday. I hit "Reply" instead of "Reply to > Group". So my comment went nowhere: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tom ROFLOL! And I thought this was supposed to be a HOBBY! Shows how much *I* know! AMA simply wants each chartered club to have designated a Safety Officer. This person will be the point of contact in the club for AMA to contact about safety matters. Our club already has a safety officer, has had since the club was formed. We gave AMA his name and email address and went back to flying. It's no big deal. CR > Well you can now rejoice. One of the candidates for AMA > president is the guy who wants us all to have APPOINTED safety nazies who > can say you may or may not fly. This appointed guy is not supposed to > answer to your local club, but to the AMA. He is supposed to investigate > every incident. Hope you don't break any props. Go on site and READ the document that has the recommendations before you make those assertions. It is an eyeopener. > AMA simply wants each chartered club to have designated a Safety > Officer. This person will be the point of contact in the club for AMA [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > answer to your local club, but to the AMA. He is supposed to investigate > > every incident. Hope you don't break any props. And Bush wants to register all churches too. > Go on site and READ the document that has the recommendations before you > make those assertions. It is an eyeopener. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > investigate > > > every incident. Hope you don't break any props. I do wish you would get your facts straight instead of attacking from pure hatred. I understand what is going on but fail to see the difference in that and LIEberal preaching from the pulpit. However, there is NO connection between that and the recommendations of Bill's committee. > And Bush wants to register all churches too. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > investigate > > > > every incident. Hope you don't break any props. Relax, Six... Your reference to "Safety Nazies" make me believe you might be one of those flyers who believes the safety rules don't apply to them. I hope I'm wrong. I reported what I as a club officer was asked for by AMA. What's the doc title? I'll look at it. CR > Go on site and READ the document that has the recommendations before you > make those assertions. It is an eyeopener. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >>>every incident. Hope you don't break any props. to ease your mind, CR--you are indeed wrong. I have flown with Six at events He's a Texun, I be a new Mexican so our philosophies differ, but he's about the safest I know. Made sure he knew the field rules, the impound arrangements, and was quite meticulous--except when it came to actually removing the old battery pack instead of using it for ballast... (Heavy airplanes don't fly well at 10000 feet Density Altitude) Roger > Relax, Six... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >>>> every incident. Hope you don't break any props. Thanks Roger, it will be a loooonnnnggg time before I live that one down! > to ease your mind, CR--you are indeed wrong. I have flown with Six at > events He's a Texun, I be a new Mexican so our philosophies differ, but [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >> > >>>> every incident. Hope you don't break any props. Hi, I just rolled in from the Hospital ER. Was running in a motor on m Superstar EP. Had it clamped to the bench. Somehow got my thum clipped by the prop. Broke the tip of my thumb and had 16 stitches. OWWW. Don't kid yourselves folks, Electric motors can swing a prop fas and hard enough to do substantial damage. Yes, I should've known better but I think virtually every acciden occurs to people who should know better but mess up anyway. This was my screw up. I hope not to make another Regards to all, Ernie Richardso -- oneleggim Instrumental (trumpet, french horn, euphonium, tuba, hand bells /voca (choirs, barbershop quartette, opera/ wheelchair Sports: Basketball golf, tennis, track, field (discus, shot, javelin, slalom), swimmin > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ernie Richardson Yep, even the little ones can bite. Electrics pose a special hazard. Push the stick forward, the motor comes on. No flipping or anything! Many of the newer ESCs require arming, though. Morris I have heard electrics can be very dangerous. There is no starting procedure except turning on a switch, plus there isn't as much 'commotion' (noise) with electrics... and the blades tend to be more knife-like..... . Arne, USA . . > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > OWWW. Don't kid yourselves folks, Electric motors can swing a prop fast > and hard enough to do substantial damage. >I just rolled in from the Hospital ER. ... So sorry to hear about the injury to your thumb, Ernie! I hope you're able to get well soon. I ran two fingers through a planer a few years back, and I know how mujch finger-tip injuries can hurt. Thanks for reminding all of us to play safe. Marty I tell my kids "Don't do that!" > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ernie Richardson Charlie, you are plain wrong! A little thought and you will figure out why. I filled out the same paperwork and what we put down was the requirement for 2004. Go see AMA page as doc #537, "Club Safety Officer" to see what somene wants us to have for 2005. > Relax, Six... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > >>>every incident. Hope you don't break any props. I find it interesting that the AMA minimulizes this type of thing. > A long time r/c'er in our club was injured today while holding a glow > powered glider and reaching under the spinning propeller for his radio. He [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > . > . > A long time r/c'er in our club was injured today while holding a glow > powered glider and reaching under the spinning propeller for his radio. He [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > . > . Safety 1st! A great post. My brush with mortality ;) occurred a couple of years ago. Hot start at a friendly local race. The blood is pumping, we're flying 3 channel trainers as "racers". Well I flood the engine in my haste. When pulling it through (flooded) the prop slices through a light glove and into the four fingers on my right hand. So pumped up I never felt it. I'm on the flight line flying and feel something cold running down my right arm. Blood of course. Wrapped my hand while flying and continue to the end. There is no end to the ways you can get injured. Most of the time we're lucky. Greg |
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