Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / July 2004

"C.O.Jones" <ifyouneedit@yougotit.com> posted message
ID<7q8Hc.573$Qj.383@lakeread01>on Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:25:28 -0400

Careful.  You'll bruise the fish.

Don't have any, I see (sounds just like Klondyke!)

--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com

I entered a 100+ lines of quotes that you conveniently ignored when it
showed you wrong.

--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com

Well, since you dozed off the first time...

For the dense among you (Klondyke and Jones) here is a great quote from
someone fairly high up in the Bush administration:

     5 Feb 2003 During his U.N. presentation, Secretary of State Colin
Powell declares: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a
stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is
enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."

Well, where are they?

Here is a great Bush series:

     11 Oct 2000 During a debate at Wake Forest University in
Winston-Salem, North Carolina, Presidential candidate George W Bush
declares: "We don't know whether he's developing weapons of mass
destruction.

     28 Oct 2002 During a speech at the Riner Steinhoff Soccer Complex in
Alamogordo, New Mexico, President George W Bush declares: "He's got weapons
of mass destruction. This is a man who has used weapons of mass
destruction."

And his buddy:

     24 Feb 2001 In Cairo, Secretary of State Colin Powell declares: "He
has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass
destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his
neighbors."

     5 Feb 2003 During his U.N. presentation, Secretary of State Colin
Powell declares: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a
stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is
enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."

Then, the truth:

     30 May 2003 During a press conference, Lt. General James Conway, USMC
declares: "It was a surprise to me then, it remains a surprise to me now,
that we have not uncovered weapons... in some of the forward dispersal
sites. Again, believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to
virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and
Baghdad, but they're simply not there... We were simply wrong."

Then THIS great piece of BS:

     9 Jul 2003 White House spokesman Ari Fleischer somehow manages to say
with a straight face: "Saddam Hussein had biological and chemical weapons
that were unaccounted for that we're still confident we'll find. I think the
burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass
destruction to tell the world where they are... just because they haven't
yet been found doesn't mean they didn't exist. The burden is on the critics
to explain where the weapons of mass destruction are. If they think they
were destroyed, the burden is on them to explain when he destroyed them and
where he destroyed them."

Then, the final surrender:

     16 May 2004 Secretary of State Colin Powell tells Meet the Press:
"When I made that presentation in February 2003, it was based on the best
information that the Central Intelligence Agency made available to me. We
studied it carefully; we looked at the sourcing in the case of the mobile
trucks and trains. There was multiple sourcing for that. Unfortunately, that
multiple sourcing over time has turned out to be not accurate. And so I'm
deeply disappointed... it turned out that the sourcing was inaccurate and
wrong and in some cases, deliberately misleading. And for that, I am
disappointed and I regret it."

And, here is the whole chronology that shows what they said pre and post
911:

Before 9-11
     2 Dec 1999 During a debate in New Hampshire, Presidential candidate
George W Bush declares: "If I found in any way, shape or form that he was
developing weapons of mass destruction, I'd take 'em out. I'm surprised he's
still there." Asked if that meant he would overthrow Saddam, Bush said he
was only talking about "the weapons of mass destruction."
     11 Feb 2000 Stumping in South Carolina, Presidential candidate George
W Bush declares: "If we catch them developing weapons of mass destruction,
there won't be any weapons of mass destruction left in Iraq -- if I'm the
Commander-in-Chief."
     11 Oct 2000 During a debate at Wake Forest University in
Winston-Salem, North Carolina, Presidential candidate George W Bush
declares: "We don't know whether he's developing weapons of mass
destruction. He better not be, or there's going to be a consequence --
should I be the President."
     22 Feb 2001 President George W Bush declares: "The Secretary of State
is going to go listen to our allies as to how best to effect a policy, the
primary goal of which will be to say to Saddam Hussein: we won't tolerate
you developing weapons of mass destruction, and we expect you to leave your
neighbors alone."
     24 Feb 2001 In Cairo, Secretary of State Colin Powell declares: "He
has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass
destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his
neighbors."
     17 May 2001 State Department spokesman Richard Boucher declares:
"We're working toward what will be a significant change in our approach to
Iraq in the United Nations... The focus is on strengthening controls to
prevent Iraq from rebuilding military capability in weapons of mass
destruction, while facilitating a broader flow of goods to the civilian
population of Iraq."
     7 Aug 2001 President George W Bush declares: "He's been a menace
forever, and we will do -- he needs to open his country up for inspection,
so we can see whether or not he's developing weapons of mass destruction."

But shortly after September 11, 2001, the Bush administration (and Tony
Blair, and several members of Congress) suddenly began telling everybody
that Saddam Hussein definitely possessed weapons of mass destruction, and
that those things constituted a clear and present danger against the United
States:

After 9-11
     Nov 2001 Pentagon official Richard Perle: "He has weapons of mass
destruction. The lesser risk is in pre-emption. We've got to stop wishing
away the problem."
     11 Mar 2002 British Prime Minister Tony Blair declares: "The threat
that Saddam Hussein poses is an issue in its own right, because the reason
why the UN Security Council passed these resolutions was precisely because
we know the threat that there is from the weapons of mass destruction that
he has."
     26 Aug 2002 Vice President Dick Cheney declares: "Simply stated, there
is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There
is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our
allies, and against us."
     4 Sep 2002 Senator Joseph Lieberman declares: "Every day Saddam
remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the
development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States."
     18 Sep 2002 Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tells the House Armed
Services Commitee: "[Saddam] has amassed large clandestine stocks of
biological weapons... including anthrax and botulism toxin and possibly
smallpox. His regime has amassed large clandestine stockpiles of chemical
weapons, including VX and sarin and mustard gas... [he] has at this moment
stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons."
     19 Sep 2002 Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tells the Senate Armed
Services Commitee: "There are a number of terrorist states pursuing weapons
of mass destruction -- Iran, Libya, North Korea, Syria, just to name a
few -- but no terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to
the security of our people than the regime of Saddam Hussein and Iraq."
     24 Sep 2002 British Prime Minister Tony Blair declares: "His weapons
of mass destruction program is active, detailed and growing. The policy of
containment is not working. The weapons of mass destruction program is not
shut down. It is up and running... The intelligence picture (the
intelligence services) paint is one accumulated over the past four years. It
is extensive, detailed and authoritative. It concludes that Iraq has
chemical and biological weapons, that Saddam has continued to produce them,
that he has existing and active military plans for the use of chemical and
biological weapons, which could be activated within 45 minutes, including
against his own Shia population; and that he is actively trying to acquire
nuclear weapons capability."
     7 Oct 2002 During a speech in Cincinnati, President George W Bush
declares: "Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or
chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists."
     28 Oct 2002 During a speech at the Riner Steinhoff Soccer Complex in
Alamogordo, New Mexico, President George W Bush declares: "He's got weapons
of mass destruction. This is a man who has used weapons of mass
destruction."
     28 Oct 2002 During a speech at the Wings Over the Rockies Air and
Space Museum in Denver, President George W Bush declares: "It's a person who
claims he has no weapons of mass destruction, in order to escape the dictums
of the U.N. Security Council and the United Nations -- but he's got them.
See, he'll lie. He'll deceive us. And he'll use them."
     31 Oct 2002 During a speech at Northern State University in Aberdeen,
South Dakota, President George W Bush declares: "This is a guy who's used
weapons of mass destruction. He not only has them, he's used them."
     1 Nov 2002 During a speech at the Pease International Tradeport
Airport in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, President George W Bush declares:
"Saddam Hussein is a man who has told the world he wouldn't have weapons of
mass destruction, and yet he deceived the world. He's got them... We know
he's got chemical weapons, probably has biological weapons."
     2 Nov 2002 During a speech at the University of South Florida,
President George W Bush declares: "He's a man who has told the world he
wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction, yet he does."
     2 Nov 2002 During a speech at the Cobb Galleria Centre in Atlanta,
Georgia, President George W Bush declares: "He's a threat to America, he's a
threat to our close friends and allies. He's a man who has said he wouldn't
have weapons of mass destruction, but he's got them... Not only does he have
weapons of mass destruction, but, incredibly enough, he has used weapons of
mass destruction."
     2 Nov 2002 During a speech at the Tri-Cities Regional Tn/Va Airport in
Blountville, Tennessee, President George W Bush declares: "He told the world
he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction -- 11 years ago he said that.
He's got them... We know that this is a man who has chemical weapons, and we
know he's used them."
     3 Nov 2002 During a speech at the Illinois Police Academy in
Springfield, Illinois, President George W Bush declares: "Saddam Hussein is
a threat to America. He's a threat to our friends. He's a man who said he
wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction, yet he has them. He's a man that
not only has weapons of mass destruction, he's used them."
     3 Nov 2002 During a speech at the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul,
Minnesota, President George W Bush declares: "This is a man who not only has
got chemical weapons, I want you to remind your friends and neighbors, that
he has used chemical weapons."
     3 Nov 2002 During a speech at the Sioux Falls Convention Center in
Sioux Falls, South Dakota, President George W Bush declares: "Saddam Hussein
is a man who told the world he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction,
but he's got them... It's a man who not only has chemical weapons, but he's
used chemical weapons against some of his neighbors."
     4 Nov 2002 During a speech at the Family Center in St. Louis,
Missouri, President George W Bush declares: "He said he wouldn't have
chemical weapons; he's got them."
     4 Nov 2002 During a speech at the Northwest Arkansas Regional Airport,
President George W Bush declares: "This is a man who told the world he
wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction, promised he wouldn't have them.
He's got them... He said he wouldn't have chemical weapons, he's got them."
     4 Nov 2002 During a speech at Southern Methodist University, President
George W Bush declares: "He has weapons of mass destruction. At one time we
know for certain he was close to having a nuclear weapon. Imagine Saddam
Hussein with a nuclear weapon. Not only has he got chemical weapons, but I
want you to remember, he's used chemical weapons."
     7 Nov 2002 During a press conference, President George W Bush
declares: "Some people say, 'Oh, we must leave Saddam alone, otherwise, if
we did something against him, he might attack us.' Well, if we don't do
something he might attack us, and he might attack us with a more serious
weapon. The man is a threat... He's a threat because he is dealing with al
Qaeda... And we're going to deal with him."
     13 Nov 2002 Condoleezza Rice declares: "He already has other weapons
of mass destruction. But a nuclear weapon, two or three our four years from
now -- I don't care where it is, when it is -- to have that happen in a
volatile region like the Middle East is most certainly a future that we
cannot tolerate."
     2 Dec 2002 White House spokesman Ari Fleischer declares: "If he
declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again
misleading the world."
     9 Jan 2003 White House spokesman Ari Fleischer declares: "We know for
a fact there are weapons there."
     10 Jan 2003 Senate majority leader Bill Frist tells Capital Report: "I
am absolutely convinced, based on the information that's been given to me,
that the weapon of mass destruction which can kill more people than an
atomic bomb -- that is, biological weapons -- is in the hands of the
leadership of Iraq."
     20 Jan 2003 Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "Saddam
Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons... His regime is paying a
high price to pursue weapons of mass destruction -- giving up billions of
dollars in oil revenue. His regime has large, unaccounted for stockpiles of
chemical and biological weapons -- including VX, sarin, cyclosarin and
mustard gas; anthrax, botulism, and possibly smallpox -- and he has an
active program to acquire and develop nuclear weapons."
     20 Jan 2003 Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "It should be
noted that biological weapons -- which Iraq and North Korea both possess --
can be as deadly, and arguably more immediate a danger -- because they are
simpler and cheaper and deliver, and are even more readily transferred to
terrorist networks than are nuclear weapons."
     22 Jan 2003 Senate majority leader Bill Frist tells The NewsHour with
Jim Lehrer: "What is unique about Iraq compared to, I would argue, any other
country in the world, in this juncture, is the exhaustion of diplomacy thus
far, and, No. 2, this intersection of weapons of mass destruction."

--

Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com