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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / July 2004THE AMA A PISS POOR ORGANIZATION
I have been trying to get a change of address for three weeks, no one is ever in the department and no one ever has returned the three messages I left. Some flying buddies have been trying to get an info pack for six months. Does anyone know of a different organization?? The AMA SUCKS. No, they are the only game in town unfortuneatly. > I have been trying to get a change of address for three weeks, no one is > ever in the department and no one ever has returned the three messages I > left. Some flying buddies have been trying to get an info pack for six > months. Does anyone know of a different organization?? The AMA SUCKS. Funny- I sent an E-mail to cpierce@modelaircraft.org and asked them to change AMA No. 5536 and 553621 from one address to another, and got a response the next day, and the very next Model Aviation was in my mailbod at the new address. 'Course, I ASKED, rather than DEMANDED, that they do it..... > I have been trying to get a change of address for three weeks, no one is > ever in the department and no one ever has returned the three messages I > left. Some flying buddies have been trying to get an info pack for six > months. Does anyone know of a different organization?? The AMA SUCKS. I used to have my AMA stuff sent to my business. I moved my shop the beginning of the year. The AMA responded the next day to the change of address, the mag was sent to my house that same month. No problem at all. Never had a problem actually. John > Funny- I sent an E-mail to > cpierce@modelaircraft.org [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > left. Some flying buddies have been trying to get an info pack for six > > months. Does anyone know of a different organization?? The AMA SUCKS. I moced this time last year. Change of addy was easy. Never missed a thing. I may have done it online. mk > I have been trying to get a change of address for three weeks, no one is > ever in the department and no one ever has returned the three messages I > left. Some flying buddies have been trying to get an info pack for six > months. Does anyone know of a different organization?? The AMA SUCKS. Anyone familiar with United Modelers of America, Ltd. Co? $45 per year for insurance, with no magazine or other frills.... DC3 >> I have been trying to get a change of address for three weeks, no one is >> ever in the department and no one ever has returned the three messages I >> left. Some flying buddies have been trying to get an info pack for six >> months. Does anyone know of a different organization?? The AMA SUCKS. The problem is finding a field in this AMA monopoly environment. > Anyone familiar with > United Modelers of America, Ltd. Co? > $45 per year for insurance, with no magazine or other frills.... > The problem is finding a field in this AMA monopoly environment. Not if you fly electric parkflyers... I run into "YAH GOTTA HAVE AMA TO FLY HERE." It gets into the bylaws. Good brain washing > The problem is finding a field in this AMA monopoly environment. > >>Anyone familiar with >>United Modelers of America, Ltd. Co? >>$45 per year for insurance, with no magazine or other frills.... The ones that REALLY chap me are flying fields in locally owned parks maintained with my tax money that require AMA membership to use. The don't require AAU membership to play football, baseball, soccer or horseshoes. Especially horseshoes! Can you imagine what one of those things would do if it struck a child's head? :) > I run into "YAH GOTTA HAVE AMA TO FLY HERE." It gets into the bylaws. > Good brain washing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>> United Modelers of America, Ltd. Co? >>> $45 per year for insurance, with no magazine or other frills.... > The ones that REALLY chap me are flying fields in locally owned parks > maintained with my tax money that require AMA membership to use. The don't > require AAU membership to play football, baseball, soccer or horseshoes. > Especially horseshoes! Can you imagine what one of those things would do if > it struck a child's head? :) This might be something you'd like to take up with the local Parks and Recreation! More time than not they've been sold a bill of goods by the local AMA clubs. Not to say having the AMA membership/insurance wouldn't be a good idea but, the clubs tend to not tell the whole story! Like about the availability of other insurance sources! > The ones that REALLY chap me are flying fields in locally owned parks > maintained with my tax money that require AMA membership to use. The don't > require AAU membership to play football, baseball, soccer or horseshoes. > Especially horseshoes! Can you imagine what one of those things would do if > it struck a child's head? :) This might be something you'd like to take up with the local Parks and Recreation! More time than not they've been sold a bill of goods by the local AMA clubs. Not to say having the AMA membership/insurance wouldn't be a good idea but, the clubs tend to not tell the whole story! Like about the availability of other insurance sources! ============================ An AMA chartered club approaches the city to set up a field. The club has no reason to tell the city about 'other' insurance. Club membership is dependent on AMA membership; so there is no issue for the club or its members. The city has absolutely no reason to investigate alternative insurance. Why should they waste time on that when they already have a detailed proposal from the AMA chartered club? Other flyers want to go there, it's their responsibility to approach the city and present UMA, or whoever, as equivalent to AMA for insurance purposes. I'm an AMA member because my club requires it, just like thousands of others. If the club I'm in was not AMA chartered but required insurance in addition to my homeowners policy, I'd get the coverage either through AMA or UMA. If they required nothing additional, I'd have nothing. I'm not for or against AMA or any other modeling organization. I play by the rules that are given. The AMA has their Lieutenants out there keeping the boys in line. > This might be something you'd like to take up with the local Parks and > Recreation! More time than not they've been sold a bill of goods by the > local AMA clubs. Not to say having the AMA membership/insurance wouldn't be > a good idea but, the clubs tend to not tell the whole story! Like about the > availability of other insurance sources! What other insurance sources???? Sport Flyers went belly up a LONG time ago, and any other insurance or rider on existing insurance always ends up costing MORE then the crummy $55/year for the AMA membership/insurance. Club's requiring AMA membership for the insurance that comes with it saves a LOT of stupid explaining time and the paperwork that would have to come with VERIFYING that a member has valid other insurance coverage. By simply requiring members to put their (current) AMA membership card in a slot where the frequency pin was that they took for flying is a simple and positive way to verify insurance instantly. You people who bellyache about paying a measly $55 a year for the insurance, and then spend a couple of thousand for the planes, engines, radios, etc. during the rest of the year should go screw yourselves and find a new hobby so the rest of us won't have to listen to your stupity based whining. MJC > > The ones that REALLY chap me are flying fields in locally owned parks > > maintained with my tax money that require AMA membership to use. The [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > a good idea but, the clubs tend to not tell the whole story! Like about the > availability of other insurance sources! > What other insurance sources???? Good post. You make a point that most people ignore. Homeowners policies usually require a rider to incude radio control flying activities, and it's usually more $ than the AMA dues. The AMA serves many functions. IMO of 20 years experience with them, it is a good group. Yes, there ARE problems, but if the complainers would get out, lobby, VOTE, and run for AMA offices themselves, those problems would be changed. Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!" > > What other insurance sources???? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Dr.1 Driver > "There's a Hun in the sun!" Ah, but that would entail actually having to do something. The standard MO is for them to sit around scratching their a.ses and whining. Hell, most of the AMA members don't vote. We have about 80 members in our club but it is the same 10 or so core members that show up at the monthly meetings and actually get things done. What are the odds that the other 70 or so members even know who is running for the AMA VP? Jim About the same as them knowing what District they are in or who their VP is in the first place. :-) Red S. > What are the > odds that the other 70 or so members even know who is running for the > AMA VP? > > Jim > Ah, but that would entail actually having to do something. > The standard MO is for them to sit around scratching their a.ses and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jim Its those 70 members that keep your club going......or would it survive on the 10 core members. ????? Mike > > Ah, but that would entail actually having to do something. > > The standard MO is for them to sit around scratching their a.ses and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Mike I guess it all depends on what you think you gain from those other 70. Jim Well there is UMA, but they don't seem to be attracting a lot of people or clubs to sign up with them for $10/year under the AMA price for NOTHING but insurance. Red S. > What other insurance sources???? > Well there is UMA, but they don't seem to be attracting a lot of people or > clubs to sign up with them for $10/year under the AMA price for NOTHING but > insurance. But there is the UMA none the less! And even you have to admit, their political climate is infinitely more calm than the AMA! The UMA is modeled after Sport Flyers and will have the same fate in about the same time frame... give it maybe two years at best and they'll be gone. Just like Sport Flyers, the UMA people aren't committed to the hobby as much as they are to making some bucks. The proof of that is simply that they exist. Are those guys so stupid as to think that the AMA doesn't cover all the bases they do and more? They cannot offer as much as the AMA with regard to committing resources to the preservation of the hobby itself, so all they have is insurance (and for ONLY $10 less than the AMA?). For God's sake, if $10 means that much to someone, then they shouldn't be in a hobby where you can drop a $Grand into an aircraft in a heartbeat, and then repeat that a couple or three times a year. Bye bye, UMA. MJC > > Well there is UMA, but they don't seem to be attracting a lot of people or > > clubs to sign up with them for $10/year under the AMA price for NOTHING [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But there is the UMA none the less! And even you have to admit, their > political climate is infinitely more calm than the AMA! Sure Red, but saving $10 a year just to spite the AMA is terrible logic. For the difference in that $10, I DO understand and support what the AMA does for continuing to actively further the hobby as well as to protect it (let's not forget who is our biggest champion for protecting our frequencies... that alone is worth the $10). MJC > Well there is UMA, but they don't seem to be attracting a lot of people or > clubs to sign up with them for $10/year under the AMA price for NOTHING but [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > What other insurance sources???? But getting rid of these people who constantly bitch about the AMA by sending them to another group where they really get hosed is priceless! :-) -- Red Scholefield AMA 951 Dist. V Leader Member/CD > Sure Red, but saving $10 a year just to spite the AMA is terrible logic. > For the difference in that $10, I DO understand and support what the AMA [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > news:<cd3c2s$iq0@library1.airnews.net>... > > > What other insurance sources???? > But getting rid of these people who constantly bitch about the AMA by > sending them to another group where they really get hosed is priceless! :-) You mean hosed as opposed to what? AMA Dist V for the last how many years? > What other insurance sources???? UMA to name one! http://www.unitedmodelers.com/ $45 a year! > > The ones that REALLY chap me are flying fields in locally owned parks > > maintained with my tax money that require AMA membership to use. The [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > a good idea but, the clubs tend to not tell the whole story! Like about the > availability of other insurance sources! What type of liability coverage do you require from people who fly at your private airfield? I changed my address about 3 months ago with AMA and it took about 30 seconds including time for them to answer the phone. > I have been trying to get a change of address for three weeks, no one is > ever in the department and no one ever has returned the three messages I > left. Some flying buddies have been trying to get an info pack for six > months. Does anyone know of a different organization?? The AMA SUCKS. > I changed my address about 3 months ago with AMA and it took about 30 > seconds including time for them to answer the phone. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > left. Some flying buddies have been trying to get an info pack for six > > months. Does anyone know of a different organization?? The AMA SUCKS. WOOPS....... Not the kind of feedback the guy was looking for I'm sure. I doubt VERY seriously if this was a "real" post. Just another troll out for a snack. Agreed, OP has a screen name of "Rumprider" > > I changed my address about 3 months ago with AMA and it took about 30 > > seconds including time for them to answer the phone. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I doubt VERY seriously if this was a "real" post. > Just another troll out for a snack. Descriptive? > Agreed, OP has a screen name of "Rumprider" > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I doubt VERY seriously if this was a "real" post. > > Just another troll out for a snack. > I have been trying to get a change of address for three weeks, no one is > ever in the department and no one ever has returned the three messages I > left. Some flying buddies have been trying to get an info pack for six > months. Does anyone know of a different organization?? The AMA SUCKS. Several times I've called or emailed and always gotten rediculously fast attention to unusual requests. Greg I made a simple change of address via e-mail to the membership lady Colleen Pierce cpierce@modelaircraft.org and my next MA was to the right address. As for information packages, unless your buddies are really intellectually challenged, you can get just about thing needed at: http://www.modelaircraft.org/templates/ama/acrobat.asp Exactly what was it your buddies were trying to get. Challenge us! And if the AMA really bugs you there is always UMA http://www.unitedmodelers.com/ or (512) 764 - 9014 They even have a few (3 or 4) chartered clubs. For a paltry $45/yr you can have all they offer - and there is no crummy magazine to strain your eyes on. Red S. > > I have been trying to get a change of address for three weeks, no one is > > ever in the department and no one ever has returned the three messages I > > left. Some flying buddies have been trying to get an info pack for six > > months. Does anyone know of a different organization?? The AMA SUCKS. |
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