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Red Scholefield - 09 Jul 2004 21:24 GMT

From: "Norm Rosenstock" <nrosenstock@juno.com>
To: <johnworth@cox.net>
Cc: <RC_PILOT@PVBB.NET>; <dick_dot@earthlink.net>; <johnh66@juno.com>;
<cpbmackey@aol.com>; <TommyboyMcCoy@worldnet.att.net>;
<sam1801L@worldnet.net.att.net>; <redscho@bellsouth.net>; <billnetz@EZ2.net>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:05 PM
Subject: Fw: Dave Mathewson for AMA President

Hi John, I don't know if you have heard about this news. Dave Mathewson,
Dist II V.P. is running against Dave Brown for president for next year. The
election is in September.

I know and like Dave Mathewson, and he's one of the good guys. I would like
to see him succeed. I think it's time for a change, and get rid of a regime
that is full of so much hate, and prejudice.

As the attached letter indicates, Dave Mathewson is only know locally, so he
could use all of the help he can get. Talk it up. Pass the word.

Norm R.-1670 - AMA Historian, - Chairman, Model Aviation Hall of Fame,

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Ernie V - 10 Jul 2004 02:56 GMT

You should also include the fact that Mr. Bill Oberdieck, Dist. VII V.P.,
is also running against Mr. Brown and Mr. Mathewson. Let's keep the playing
field level.
> From: "Norm Rosenstock" <nrosenstock@juno.com>
> To: <johnworth@cox.net>
> Cc: <RC_PILOT@PVBB.NET>; <dick_dot@earthlink.net>; <johnh66@juno.com>;
> <cpbmackey@aol.com>; <TommyboyMcCoy@worldnet.att.net>;
> <sam1801L@worldnet.net.att.net>; <redscho@bellsouth.net>;
<billnetz@EZ2.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:05 PM
> Subject: Fw: Dave Mathewson for AMA President
>
>
> Hi John, I don't know if you have heard about this news. Dave Mathewson,
> Dist II V.P. is running against Dave Brown for president for next year.
The
> election is in September.
>
> I know and like Dave Mathewson, and he's one of the good guys. I would
like
> to see him succeed. I think it's time for a change, and get rid of a
regime
> that is full of so much hate, and prejudice.
>
> As the attached letter indicates, Dave Mathewson is only know locally,
so he
> could use all of the help he can get. Talk it up. Pass the word.
>
>
> Norm R.-1670 - AMA Historian, - Chairman, Model Aviation Hall of Fame,
>
>
>

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Red Scholefield - 10 Jul 2004 12:53 GMT

Based on a number postings by Mr. Oberdieck on some modeling forums, I don't
consider him a viable candidate for AMA VP.
1. He shows the same contempt for the modeling participants on the internet
as Dave Brown.
2. He was unwilling to promote a District VII e-mail forum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMA_D7/ that was set up for him 2 years ago,
claiming the members in D-VII were not interested. Of course he gave it no
publicity in his District report in MA.
3. Does not deal well with questions about his position on issues (at least
in encounters I have seen).
4. Negative on any form of AMA supported on line forums.

Red S.

> You should also include the fact that Mr. Bill Oberdieck, Dist. VII V.P.,
> is also running against Mr. Brown and Mr. Mathewson. Let's keep the playing
> field level.

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Frank Costa - 10 Jul 2004 23:40 GMT

> 4. Negative on any form of AMA supported on line forums.

cant say I blame him for that. I wouldn't be either. Those types of forums
become overrun by talking heads, and accomplish very little. Sort of like
what this NG has slowly become.

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Red Scholefield - 11 Jul 2004 01:00 GMT

Then why don't they set up a moderated form under the auspices of the AMA
and see what happens? If it doesn't work, they can always pull the plug.
--
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> > 4. Negative on any form of AMA supported on line forums.
>
> cant say I blame him for that. I wouldn't be either. Those types of forums
> become overrun by talking heads, and accomplish very little. Sort of like
> what this NG has slowly become.

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C.O.Jones - 11 Jul 2004 01:47 GMT

The question would be, moderated by whom? And I mean the specific
individual.

I see at least two major political camps within the AMA. Whoever was
selected as moderator would be accused of biased moderation by the other
side. The final result would be the party line would be the only acceptable
content and the forum would thus die an agonizing death. Accomplishing
little other than to polarize the sides more firmly against each other.

I see little here or in the other forums to suggest anything else.

> Then why don't they set up a moderated form under the auspices of the AMA
> and see what happens? If it doesn't work, they can always pull the plug.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> > become overrun by talking heads, and accomplish very little. Sort of like
> > what this NG has slowly become.

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Dave Thompson - 11 Jul 2004 05:17 GMT

> The question would be, moderated by whom? And I mean the specific
> individual.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> I see little here or in the other forums to suggest anything else.

Many non-profit, narrow focus groups have either websites or moderated
forums for members to communicate, bitch, praise and just chat with the
officers/management.

The NRA, AARP, MOAA and others seem to manage it with no problem. It
appears the average age of AMA officers and board members is well beyond 60.
Perhaps it's time for the young bloods to have a coup. Else, the
organization will die an agonizing death.

--
Dave Thompson

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Red Scholefield - 11 Jul 2004 16:51 GMT

For openers lets try someone appointed by the AMA EC and see where that
leads.

RS

> The question would be, moderated by whom? And I mean the specific
> individual.

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C.O.Jones - 11 Jul 2004 22:40 GMT

> For openers lets try someone appointed by the AMA EC and see where that
> leads.
>
> RS

I figured that would be a given. Which is why I would expect a cry of bias
to go up from opposing views. Just a hunch based on some of the threads
I've observed here and in other forums.

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Lyman Slack - 12 Jul 2004 22:33 GMT

And allow ONLY people with real names and valid E-mail addresses to
participate :-)

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> For openers lets try someone appointed by the AMA EC and see where that
> leads.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > The question would be, moderated by whom? And I mean the specific
> > individual.

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Ernie V - 11 Jul 2004 02:27 GMT

> Based on a number postings by Mr. Oberdieck on some modeling forums, I
don't
> consider him a viable candidate for AMA VP.
He is already a VP.
> 1. He shows the same contempt for the modeling participants on the
internet
> as Dave Brown.
Bill is at modeling events almost every weekend throughout the year,is
always willing to discuss any issues with anyone who calls/writes him, and
is always positive thinking and proactive in regards to the AMA, at least in
Dist. VII.
> 2. He was unwilling to promote a District VII e-mail forum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMA_D7/ that was set up for him 2 years
ago,
> claiming the members in D-VII were not interested. Of course he gave it
no
> publicity in his District report in MA.
He has been promoting the use of the DistVII web site since before it was
set up. He cannot require members to use it.
> 3. Does not deal well with questions about his position on issues (at
least
> in encounters I have seen).
Have you ever tried to call him and ask your questions. Every time that I
do, he answers directly to any questions that I have regarding AMA issues.
> 4. Negative on any form of AMA supported on line forums.
I can't address that issue as he has never implied to me that he was
against any form of communication within the AMA.
>
> Red S.
>
> "Ernie V" <toyzrme@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:D4ednSzBTP0j0XLd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > You should also include the fact that Mr. Bill Oberdieck, Dist. VII
> V.P.,
> > is also running against Mr. Brown and Mr. Mathewson. Let's keep the
> playing
> > field level.
>
>
>

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CainHD - 11 Jul 2004 03:28 GMT

Reference Oberdieck:

> Have you ever tried to call him and ask your questions. Every time that I
>do, he answers directly to any questions that I have regarding AMA issues.

Problem is with his answers he never knows anything about that of which he
speaks.

Are you aware that Wes De Coup was also nominated for the Pres. slot and the
*nominating committee* picked *Oberdorck* over Wes?
YUCK!!

HC

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C.O.Jones - 11 Jul 2004 14:48 GMT

> Reference Oberdieck:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> HC

I believe Oberieck was selected as a spoiler. His nomination is intended to
divide one of the camps to allow the other to win with less than 50% of the
vote. But I also think Wes would have been the better choice to divide the
anti-Brown crowd. So I have to wonder, could it be that the committee made
a mistake? Or is there something afoot in the sacred regions of AMA HQ? :)

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CainHD - 11 Jul 2004 22:52 GMT

>I believe Oberieck was selected as a spoiler. His nomination is intended to
>divide one of the camps to allow the other to win with less than 50% of the
>vote. But I also think Wes would have been the better choice to divide the
>anti-Brown crowd. So I have to wonder, could it be that the committee made
>a mistake? Or is there something afoot in the sacred regions of AMA HQ? :)

Actually, in RCU I have posted something like your perception, however of
opposite theory.
I like to think that finally some VPs just maybe had a smart thought.
There were 5 nominees and only 3 get on the ballot. The incumbent gets on the
ballot unless 75% of NC object.
Therefore do not place 2 popular candidates against the incumbent. Place one
popular candidate and then a slug. DM is an active VP and more visable. He is
one of those guys that everybody likes. I nominated Wes and think he would be a
good choice, yet he as a past VP is not as visable as DM.
'Nuff said about the 3rd choice.

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