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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / July 2004Looking for an R/C Model
Hello I'm new here! I have a question about an R/C model. Very shortly I plan on getting a trainer like a NexStar or Avistar (what guys in the club I visited recommended). I've begun building some little rubber owered flying models like I did when I was a kid. I'm interested in both aspects of the hobby. The building and the flying. So my plan is to finish a few of the more simple models (You know, the little Guillows guys) then siging up for something "kick a.s". I figure that I'd spend the next 3 to 6 months building the a.s kicker in my spare time while I learn to fly using the the trainer. Then, when time/money permit me to finish the ass-kicker, I could take that to the field and have them teach me how to fly it -- having the fundamentals down on the trainer. So I'm hoping you can help me find the model I seek. It may not exist. My criteria is this: - I do most of the building. (IE: ARF's are out, as are the 90% molded things). - Single Engine - Avoid the excessively popular - P-51's, Corsair's, T-6's. - $200 or less ($200 is the "stretch" ceiling. I feel better closer to $100-$150) That's $200 or less for the kit itself, I understand radio and engine are extra. As are things like retracts and smoke. The plane can be G.A., but so far all of the G.A. models I've seen end up looking too much like the typical R/C ARF models. I know the P-47 is pretty popular too, but I really like it, so that's an option. A Sea Fury would be cool, or a Hurricane, or maybe a Wildcat, or maybe an Avenger would be cool. I'd like to put some really great detail into it. I'f I'm dreaming with that price tag, I understand, just let me know and save me some searching. Thanks in advance! Mike Oh, sorry - Gas engine, not electric. > Hello I'm new here! > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Mike Oh, sorry - Gas engine, not electric. "Mike Szewczyk hcgi.com>" <szewczykm@<N0SP@M> wrote in message news:vKadneUDyZOK1WndRVn-jw@dls.net... > Hello I'm new here! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I figure that I'd spend the next 3 to 6 months building the a.s kicker in my > spare time while I learn to fly using the the trainer. Then, when > time/money permit me to finish the ass-kicker, I could take that to the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > $100-$150) > That's $200 or less for the kit itself, I understand radio and engine are > extra. > As are things like retracts and smoke. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Mike ================================================================ I'll make the assumption you want a glow fuel powered engine and not a gasoline engine Messerschmitt $109.99 http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAP73&P=0 Sea Fury $159.99 http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAJU1&P=0 There are lots of scale kits available for under $200. www.towerhobbies.com is a good place to look, as is http://www2.mailordercentral.com/quantummodels/ Using any of the search engines (yahoo, google, etc) and searching for the names you mentioned turns up too many results to list here. I'm fairly new to RC; flying a trainer I built from a kit, and building a sport plane from a kit. From what I've read and been told, a scale warbird is not a good second plane because they tend to be fast and can have bad stall characteristics. I do not know this as fact, just repeating what others have said. Carrell > "Mike Szewczyk hcgi.com>" <szewczykm@<N0SP@M> wrote in message > news:vKadneUDyZOK1WndRVn-jw@dls.net... >> Hello I'm new here! < some snipping > >> I'm interested in both aspects of the hobby. The building and the >> flying. So my plan is to finish a few of the more simple models (You [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> the field and have them teach me how to fly it -- having the >> fundamentals down on the trainer. < more snipping> > I'm fairly new to RC; flying a trainer I built from a kit, and > building a sport plane from a kit. From what I've read and been told, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Carrell It's true. I'd recommend a 3-plane-plan, rather than a 2-plane-plan - first, go with the regular trainer. 2nd, on to something sportier - as a kit, not an ARF. Maybe a Sig Four-Star or a Mid-Star 40 (my personal favorite), or a Great Planes Stik (haven't flown a GP Rapture 40, so I can't vouch for it, but the pictures are pretty) or a Goldberg Tiger. Then maybe do your gorgeous scale plane as your 3rd project. There are a lot of things to learn about building big RC planes. I promise that building a sport kit first will make your scale project come out better. Also, you'll be much more ready to fly it. Also . . . I've done a lot of instructing over the years. I'd be really, really nervous about flying someone else's beautiful scale warbird on its first flight - there are so many things that can go wrong, and I'd really, really hate to crash someone else's plane.  Signature"Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarcely get your feet wet." - Deteriorata >..... Maybe a Sig Four-Star or a Mid-Star 40 (my personal >favorite), or a Great Planes Stik (haven't flown a GP Rapture 40, so I >can't vouch for it, but the pictures are pretty) or a Goldberg Tiger. I picked up a used Four Star 40 and love flying this plane. It is my 3rd plane (just soloed back in March) and to me it flies better than the trainers. SignatureDavid - WD4JKH Valid email: no-spam0879@mindspring.com PICA FW-190, Great flying plane. forget the retracts and just fly it 4 channel. PICA Waco, also a great flyer. I would teach anyone to fly on either one. I have had one FW and 3 Wacos.. Both 60 size planes. > I know the P-47 is pretty popular too, but I really like it, so that's an > option. A Sea Fury would be cool, or a Hurricane, or maybe a Wildcat, or > maybe an Avenger would be cool. > I'd like to put some really great detail into it. I'f I'm dreaming with > that price tag, I understand, just let me know and save me some searching. It really depends on your definition of "kick a.s." If you're planning on spending a lot of time and money on this second plane, adding retracts, building with flaps, adding an inverted engine with enclosed cowling, airbrushing a desert camoflauge motif on it, and going for some wild wing design that has more than two pieces (panelB left, outward panel B left, airbrake B1) then I would rething your strategy. Try a high wing high dihedral for your first plane. Graduate to a low wing symmetrical design for your second, assuming the first survived long enough to become proficient. You might even want to try a variety of sport planes after that: ugly stick, pylon racer, whatever. Then go for the uber creation. Not trying to burst your bubble or anything. This hobby is full of stories about people who bit off more than they could chew and drove $2500.00 or more straight into the ground. On the other hand, if you are talking about some nearly stock TopFlite sport scale warplane kit with no fancy stuff, it still wouldn't make a good second plane. But at least it won't be so hard on the checkbook. LOL. OK I get it. So what B.I.Y. sport kit might I look at? Is that really the transition? Is a warbird really more squirrelly than a low wing symmetrical sport plane? Oh, also, I should add that I have no intention of flying the uber creation myself until I can actually fly it. I'd go through the trainer planes first. I'd fly with the club hotshots on the buddy box for a while before I ever took the thing myself. I figure the uberplane will take me a long time to put together. I want something to do on the rainy days and those days when I need to decompress after work by building. Slow and sure, all the while following the path you described, buying the ARF's to train on. > > I know the P-47 is pretty popular too, but I really like it, so that's an > > option. A Sea Fury would be cool, or a Hurricane, or maybe a Wildcat, or [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > scale warplane kit with no fancy stuff, it still wouldn't make a good second > plane. But at least it won't be so hard on the checkbook. > LOL. OK I get it. So what B.I.Y. sport kit might I look at? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > after work by building. Slow and sure, all the while following the path you > described, buying the ARF's to train on. The big thing is wing loading. Scale warbirds often are rather heavy. They often require lead in the nose for balance, plus the extra weight for retracts, etc., weight of a scale paint job. The extra weight requires the plane to fly faster to generate the lift required to fly the heavier plane. There are also "scale effects"; the air is more viscous to a scale P-51, say, than the real thing, and this affects the way the model flies. There are a number of great "second" planes that will get you proficient enough to fly your warbird. Thes include (not in any particular order of preference), Goldberg Tiger 2, Sig 4-Star, Great Planes Easy Sport, or any of the "Stik" designs. You may even want to get some plans and try your luck at scratch building. RCM's Cloud Dancer 40 plans build into an agile, great-flying sport plane. (Ace/Thunder Tiger makes an ARF version.) One caveat, though, is that it's heartbreaking when dumb thumbs turn the creation you've worked so long and hard on into toothpicks. Morris > (Ace/Thunder Tiger makes an ARF version.) One caveat, though, is that it's > heartbreaking when dumb thumbs turn the creation you've worked so long and > hard on into toothpicks. This may sound dumb, but I want to be so attached to my next few models that I'll be devistated if they crash. I've done so many dumb things in the past when I was excited and in a hurry. So the extra care I'm putting into the model will translate into my being much more careful with how I use it. > > (Ace/Thunder Tiger makes an ARF version.) One caveat, though, is that > it's [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > will translate > into my being much more careful with how I use it. Mike, I've found the opposite to be true. I've had the most fun with something cheap enough that I can just shrug when it meets terra firma at too high a speed. When I have a big time/emotional investment in a plane, I worry about crashing it, and it spoils my fun! :-) Morris <SNIP> Cloud Dancer 40 plans build into an agile, great-flying sport plane. > (Ace/Thunder Tiger makes an ARF version.) One caveat, though, is that it's > heartbreaking when dumb thumbs turn the creation you've worked so long and > hard on into toothpicks. Wow, I really like the looks of the Cloud Dancer. It's not as boxy as the other Sport RC planes I've seen. To be frank, it's part of why I didn't want to build one. I didn't want to spend a bunch of time working on a plane and have it look like nothing special. I already like how the Cloud Dancer looks and I see potential for adding my own "flare" without altering flight characteristics. I've checked and I've found ARF or Plans. I was hoping to find a kit. Do you know if anyone makes one? Ted Campanelli said: "For a "kick a.s" model, why not find a plane you want, then get the plans and either do everything yourself or have the parts laser cut." Is there a place to have stuff laser cut?? What does that cost? Thanks again! Mike On 7/13/2004 4:37 PM Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not so great) words of knowledge: For a "kick a.s" model, why not find a plane you want, then get the plans and either do everything yourself or have the parts laser cut. If you want something "unusual", that is the way to do it. I did a FW-56 Stosser that way. Flies great, but does have a semi-nasty tip stall if the speed gets too slow. Cleveland models http://www.clevelandairline.com/ has some really neat AND unusual planes/plans. Just my $0.02 worth. > Hello I'm new here! > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Mike > For a "kick a.s" model, why not find a plane you want, then get the > plans and either do everything yourself or have the parts laser cut. If > you want something "unusual", that is the way to do it. I did a FW-56 > Stosser that way. Flies great, but does have a semi-nasty tip stall if > the speed gets too slow. Ted, where would you have parts laser cut? > > For a "kick a.s" model, why not find a plane you want, then get the > > plans and either do everything yourself or have the parts laser cut. If [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ted, where would you have parts laser cut? FWIW I reckon you can't beat the whole exercise of transferring components from plan to wood, cutting them yourself and the assembling the whole model. There's a great deal of satisfaction gleaned that way when you see the finished plane... ....and then when you see it airborne it's .....WOW - I DID THAT! Malcolm Dynaflite large scale PT-19 and use a Zenoah G-23. That's my .02 MJC > Hello I'm new here! > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Mike > Hello I'm new here! > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I'd like to put some really great detail into it. I'f I'm dreaming with > that price tag, I understand, just let me know and save me some searching. Sounds like you're looking for an F-18 Turbine. |
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