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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / July 2004What's wrong with the OS LA series?
Almost everyone I speak to about getting my first plane qualifies the O.S. engine choice with, "Just make sure it's not the LA series." Whenever you see an RTF or ARF model that comes with the radio, etc, the Engine is usually an LA. What's wrong with the LA? Is whatever is bad about it so bad that you'd spend another $100+ to get another engine for the RTF model? One guy said it was "mushy" but I have no idea what that means. Is this engine snobbery or a legitimate problem? I can understand avoiding it (if there are problems with it) when buying just an engine, but is the engine so horrible that I have to pass on buying a model because it comes with one? I have never had one so take this with a big lump of salt. From what I have gleaned from pretty much lurking this group for a while is that the LA series are fine engines. It is a bushed engine ( instead of bearings ). It is not an engine that you think of when the word "power" pops into your head. It should have enough power to pull a trainer or other "low" performance planes around the sky, but, don't expect 45 degree climbouts. I suspect that since it is bushed it will wear out faster. I think the prevailing thought is that if you get a "better" engine up front you will save money in the long run because you can put it in your next plane as you grow in the hobby. Engines typically outlast the airframes. You can search the Google archives for it and get plenty of views one way or the other. Douglas Kaip > Almost everyone I speak to about getting my first plane qualifies the O.S. > engine choice with, "Just make sure it's not the LA series." [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > just an engine, but is the engine so horrible that I have to pass on buying > a model because it comes with one? Douglas Kaip wrote: > I suspect that since it is bushed it will wear out faster. Actually it's the other way round so long as the correct amount and type of oil is used and this means 20-22% and preferably at least half being castor. Do this and you'll probably never wear out the bush while everyone else is continually putting in new bearings. The "rattle" at low throttle is normal for all plain bushed engines because there are no ball races to lock the crankshaft longitudinally. This rattle goes away when prop thrust overcomes the tendency to move backwards. > Douglas Kaip wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > because there are no ball races to lock the crankshaft longitudinally. > This rattle goes away when prop thrust overcomes the tendency to move > backwards. I would never have guessed that correctly. Good piece of information.... thank you... I've wondered about it, but figured something on the plane was loose and rattling.. (I have 4 OS LA engines; not because they are the best, but because I've never had a single problem with them, I just kept buying them). . Arne, USA . . > > The "rattle" at low throttle is normal for all plain bushed engines > > because there are no ball races to lock the crankshaft longitudinally. > > This rattle goes away when prop thrust overcomes the tendency to move > > backwards. That rattle isn't "normal" and is a sign of too much thrust clearance between the crank and the case. OS and others made several thickness thrust washers early on (in the FP days) just for that. Usually, if they rattle at idle, there is about enough clearance for an extra washer. Don't get it too tight as the case expands more than the crank when hot. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > Douglas Kaip wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > This rattle goes away when prop thrust overcomes the tendency to move > backwards. > Almost everyone I speak to about getting my first plane qualifies the O.S. > engine choice with, "Just make sure it's not the LA series." [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > just an engine, but is the engine so horrible that I have to pass on buying > a model because it comes with one? The OS .15LA is a fine engine, actually one of the most powerful in it's size, great bang for the buck. The rest of them, and ESPECIALLY the .40, are very weak, and they vibrate too much. That .40 has about the power that a .25 should have, it's actually quite sad. An O.S. .40LA on a 6 lb+. trainer is not much fun at all, and you have very little, or no, power reserve to get out of a jam, like driving a full size truck with a 4-banger under the hood. Do yourself a favor, if you HAVE to stick a .40, get the TT .42Gp or the Evolution .40NT or just about anyone else's .40, or better yet, skip the whole size and get a TT .46 Pro and never look back. > > Almost everyone I speak to about getting my first plane qualifies the O.S. > > engine choice with, "Just make sure it's not the LA series." [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > anyone else's .40, or better yet, skip the whole size and get a TT .46 Pro > and never look back. A correction. The O.S. .65LA is by some accounts a strong running engine, so I guess my comments apply basically to the .40. The .25 I haven't heard much about. A friend had one and wasn't very impressed. > The rest of them, and ESPECIALLY the .40, are very weak, and they vibrate > too much. That .40 has about the power that a .25 should have, it's actually [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > anyone else's .40, or better yet, skip the whole size and get a TT .46 Pro > and never look back. Well, that's sort of my point. It comes on the model. It's my first model. Do I add $100 to the price of my first model to switch out the the LA motor that's on it? Is it THAT bad? There are RTF trainers that come with other motors. Horizon Hobby has a few trainers that come with the Evolution engine. The .40LA trainer WILL fly, though, don't get me wrong, so you can go ahead and get that one and hold off on any further engine purchases until you've made a decision on whether the engine has enough power for your own personnel taste. > > The rest of them, and ESPECIALLY the .40, are very weak, and they vibrate > > too much. That .40 has about the power that a .25 should have, it's [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > to the price of my first model to switch out the the LA motor that's on it? > Is it THAT bad? > > The rest of them, and ESPECIALLY the .40, are very weak, and they vibrate > > too much. That .40 has about the power that a .25 should have, it's [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > to the price of my first model to switch out the the LA motor that's on it? > Is it THAT bad? For what's it's worth, I have had the .15la, .40la, .46la, and .65la, and they all have been great engines, and after only four years of flying, only the .15la is no longer used, because it got planted 6" in to the ground. not the engines fault. you have to understand that the "La" engines are O.S.'s low cost engines, to help get people into flying, they are a good decent engine for the money. this is only my opinion, and there for no one is held responsible for my thoughts thank you >.... It comes on the model. It's my first model. ... Have you already purchased the LA-equipped trainer? If so, go fly it, have fun, and let us know what you think afterward. If not, you might shop for something with a slightly stouter powerplant. In our club, we fly from grass and have lots of wind in the 8-15 mph range. Ball-bearing .40s have proven far superior to the plain-bearing engines for takeoff and training. Marty I haven't gotten one yet. But there's one hanging in a local hobby shop that's a good deal (consignment) but it has the LA engine. If that one is gone when I actually have the money, I'll shop for one sans-LA. > >.... It comes on the model. It's my first model. ... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Marty >Well, that's sort of my point. It comes on the model. It's my first model. >Do I add $100 to the price of my first model to switch out the the LA motor that's on it? >Is it THAT bad? The answer to your question is do you need a shotgun to kill a mouse? Will a sledgehammer serve you better than a cabinetmaker's tack hammer in building a fine piece of furniture. The moral here is use the right tool for the best result. Same applies to learning to fly. Save the $100- and spend it one an another engine when you actually know what you want. In the meantime, you'll have a great time learning with the LA and can onsell it when you're finished to many an eager beaver if you no longer require it. The buying for later (your next plane) argument is not only a false economy, it is actually a false premise when examined logically and intelligently. The 46 LA sells for around $80.00. That is about the same price as a Thunder Tiger Pro 46 or GMS 47. Both of those are head and shoulders above the LA series. Most trainers come out VERY tail heavy so the couple extra ounces of engine weight will also come in handy. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > > The rest of them, and ESPECIALLY the .40, are very weak, and they vibrate > > too much. That .40 has about the power that a .25 should have, it's [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > to the price of my first model to switch out the the LA motor that's on it? > Is it THAT bad? <snip>> > The rest of them, and ESPECIALLY the .40, are very weak, and they vibrate > too much. That .40 has about the power that a .25 should have, it's actually > quite sad. An O.S. .40LA on a 6 lb+. trainer is not much fun at all, and you > have very little, or no, power reserve to get out of a jam, like driving a > full size truck with a 4-banger under the hood. I own a very used 40-LA on my ol' beater, an Avistar trainer(~5.5 lb.) that has been used to fully train two pilots through plenty of 'jams', and flown a lot since. Swinging an APC 10x6 on 10% nitro, it still has plenty of power for the application. I even get several seconds of hang- time on the vertical. It doesn't vibrate more than any other 2-stroke I've owned. It starts and runs reliably. My only dislike is the well known "LA Rattle" sound at low throttle. Though that's just a benign annoyance for sure. I recently flew it at a fun-fly where one task was a dead stick duration contest, a 25 sec. full power climb out from takeoff to shutdown. I estimate it climbed at a constant 35-40 deg., and after 25 sec. it was a speck. IMO, of course it's not the best engine. It's a low budget engine. But, for the money, it certainly does the job. > ... My only dislike is the well >known "LA Rattle" sound at low throttle. Previously known as the "FP Rattle." ;o) It may be common to all bearing engines. I don't remember whether my TT .25 GP rattles. >I recently flew it at a fun-fly where one task was a dead stick duration >contest, a 25 sec. full power climb out from takeoff to shutdown. I >estimate it climbed at a constant 35-40 deg., and after 25 sec. it was a >speck. That reminds me of a virtue of the plain-bearing engines: they weigh less than the ball-bearing engines by five or six ounces and can take a lot of abuse. Marty Nothing that isn't wrong with any other engine. IOW, they're OK. > ... What's wrong with the LA? Low power (bushed bearing instead of ball bearings). Japanese-philips screw heads instead of hex heads holding the cylinder-head on. Remote needle valve. Plastic or nylon back plate? Don't overtighten if it is a non-metallic part. > Is whatever is bad about it so bad that you'd >spend another $100+ to get another engine for the RTF model? If you're determined to buy an RTF, either look for one that doesn't have the LA--I'm pretty sure that there are TT RTF kits and ... the "Evolution" series. I'd bet that these don't cost $100 more than an LA-equipped RTF, but I don't know for sure. >One guy said it was "mushy" but I have no idea what that means. Is this >engine snobbery or a legitimate problem? It's a way of saying "low-power". >I can understand avoiding it (if there are problems with it) when buying >just an engine, but is the engine so horrible that I have to pass on buying >a model because it comes with one? Nope. You can learn to fly with it. 95% of OS engines are easy to start, quiet, durable, and reliable. Try the engine yourself and see if you like it. Marty >What's wrong with the LA? The LA is a low-power engine for the size. It is bushed instead of ball-bearing and has an air-bleed carburator. This carb may be difficult to adjust at idle. The air bleed hole often doesn't let in enough air to properly lean the mixture. As someone else said, don't overtighten the screws in the plastic backplate. It's a good .30-size engine in a .40-size package. I have heard excellent reports about the Evolution engine and I know the TT Pro series are excellent as well. Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!" On 7/15/2004 12:20 PM Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not so great) words of knowledge: 20 years ago they were a decent engine. With the changing times and improvements in technology they are weak engines. They are a bushed bearing engine that uses 20 year old technology. To get a better idea of what people mean when they say the engine is weak, go to the Tower site http://www.towerhobbies.com/listings.html and compare the horse power ratings on the OS 40 LA and the OS 40FX/AX, also compare the horse power of the OS 46LA and the OS 46 FX/AX, Thunder Tiger Pro 46, GMS 46, etc. The numbers will tell you. While you are at it compare the price of an OS 40LA to a Super Tiger 40 or an OS 46LA engine against the Thunder Tiger Pro 46, Tower 46 (made by GMS, but not as good) and the GMS 46. You will find that for a little difference in cost, you get A LOT MORE POWER. I ALWAYS tell people to buy everything separately. Yes, it costs a little more up front, but you have something decent to work with and you don't have to go out and buy another engine or different brand transmitter or a "Buddy Box" (since no one at your site can "buddy box" to your transmitter) or a computer radio 6 months down the road because the "BASE" level radio can not do anything except the bare basics. > Almost everyone I speak to about getting my first plane qualifies the O.S. > engine choice with, "Just make sure it's not the LA series." [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > just an engine, but is the engine so horrible that I have to pass on buying > a model because it comes with one? >spend another $100+ to get another engine for the RTF model? I hit the wrong button....here's the rest of my reply. You don't have to spend another $100. Tower Hobbies lists the OS .46 AX as $114.99 and the OS .40LA as $56.99. The AX series has more power and will last through several sport model planes. As others have suggested, look for different trainer packages that do not include the LA. The LA will fly a 5-lb. trainer, but doesn't have much reserve power to get out of trouble. Here's a good example: An OS .40 LA won't spin a 10x4 prop as fast as my OS .32 SX or my Webra Speed .32. Neither of these engines is a good choice for a .40 trainer, either. As I and others have mentioned before, take a look at the Evolution, TT Pro, and the OS AX. I believe these engines will give you more flyability and satisfaction for the money. Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!" >Almost everyone I speak to about getting my first plane qualifies the O.S. >engine choice with, "Just make sure it's not the LA series." Ever watched the behaviour of sheep? There's your answer. >Whenever you see an RTF or ARF model that comes with the radio, etc, the >Engine is usually an LA. That's primarily because of three influential factors. (a) it's inexpensive (relative to other, particularly other OS, engines); (b) it's perfectly suited powerwise to it's intended introductory and training role, and; (c) it is reliable, robust internally, simple, easy to tune (conservative intake diameter oriface with air bleed carb) with a stable idle. >What's wrong with the LA? Is whatever is bad about it so bad that you'd >spend another $100+ to get another engine for the RTF model? The LA is only power the models. To empower the insecure ego you need to spend more. ;P >One guy said it was "mushy" but I have no idea what that means. Is this >engine snobbery or a legitimate problem? Rationalising snobbery, elitism driven ignorance - call it what you will. Experienced flyers might desire more power for certain tasks, but for the training role, the power delivery & throttle response of the LA is as good as any similar plain bearing engine in its class with the restrictions imposed by (a) a conservative venturi diameter but more importantly (b) the delayed tuning response from a remote needle off a low (muffler) pressure fuel feed. >I can understand avoiding it (if there are problems with it) when buying >just an engine, but is the engine so horrible that I have to pass on buying >a model because it comes with one? Although I prefer O.S's predecessor the FP, for the training role or one where its performance class is not restrictive the LA appears quite OK. The ones that I've seen in operation seem to respond the same as any other engine to dickheads. If it's a dickhead using it, they'll have the usual dickhead incurred problems no matter which brand or design they choose. The LA just becames the new and an easy whipping boy because it's blue & prominent, it's ugly and it's different (new). You used to hear the same sh.t about the FP, though not to the same extent when it was the intro engine. K <iguana_bwana@hotmail.com> posted message ID<1u0ef0huhj4psl0qvp7958ghq9dcrv15mn@4ax.com>on Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:47:35 +1000 >Although I prefer O.S's predecessor the FP, for the training role or >one where its performance class is not restrictive the LA appears [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >different (new). You used to hear the same sh.t about the FP, though >not to the same extent when it was the intro engine. You should be more careful with your name-calling. Paul McIntosh is very sensitive and easily bruised. As usual, Klondyke has nothing constructive to add. The LA series are not nearly as good as the FP engines were. The LA series seems to be a step backwards for OS in their attempt to squeeze even more money from modelers. I have seen many run side by side and the FP was always a better performer. Shortly after the LA series were introduced, many people were calling for OS to bring back the FP. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > K <iguana_bwana@hotmail.com> posted message > ID<1u0ef0huhj4psl0qvp7958ghq9dcrv15mn@4ax.com>on Fri, 16 Jul 2004 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > You should be more careful with your name-calling. Paul McIntosh is > very sensitive and easily bruised. "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<40fd3994$0$4541$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>on Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:26:52 +0100 >As usual, Klondyke has nothing constructive to add. Nonsense, Paul. I was looking out for your easily-damaged psyche. After all, you disappeared for more than a week the last time you got all butthurt over name-calling. Another know-nothing response from a worthless poster. I disappeared because I was on another continent working. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message > ID<40fd3994$0$4541$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>on Tue, 20 Jul [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > After all, you disappeared for more than a week the last time you got > all butthurt over name-calling. "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<40fd9180$0$92653$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>on Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:41:18 +0100 >Another know-nothing response from a worthless poster. Do you deny that you whined about name-calling, while ironically indulging in name-calling yourself? > I disappeared >because I was on another continent working. Then I'm sure that you'll want to go back and address the issues that, up to now, look like you abandoned them. I'll re-post them for you if you wish. Beat your dead horse all you like. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message > ID<40fd9180$0$92653$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>on Tue, 20 Jul [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > up to now, look like you abandoned them. I'll re-post them for you if > you wish. "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<40fe9ba7$0$63399$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:37:02 +0100 >Beat your dead horse all you like. That you whine about name-calling, yet lack the integrity to refrain from name-calling yourself is, indeed, proven beyond all doubt, but I'd hardly call it a 'dead horse'. "you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh Really pisses you off, don't it! -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message > ID<40fe9ba7$0$63399$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>on Wed, 21 Jul [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > "For the dense among you"-Paul McIntosh > "What the F**k is he saying"-Paul McIntosh "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<40fec5ae$0$63388$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:36:22 +0100 >Really pisses you off, don't it! That would be 'no', Paul. I rather enjoy pointing out your double-standard. It's so typically LIEberal to believe that your standards apply to 'other people' only.  Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh <pure BS snipped> HAY TODD - Do you even fly R/C? Texas Pete Pete Kerezman <petekerez@aol.com> posted message ID<n2ktf05tudhkh78mol6vc1ms609ngd6pmg@4ax.com>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:23:27 -0500 ><pure BS snipped> Paul wrote most of what you snipped. Does he know you consider his posts 'pure bs'? > HAY TODD - Do you even fly R/C? Why do you want to know? Writing a book? Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh >> HAY TODD - Do you even fly R/C? > >Why do you want to know? Writing a book? Nah. Just exposing a windy fraud. Texas Pete Pete Kerezman <petekerez@aol.com> posted message ID<hhptf0pp4brs5bhodh4vhbbdbdq59pq3tn@4ax.com>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:56:03 -0500 >>> HAY TODD - Do you even fly R/C? >> >>Why do you want to know? Writing a book? > > Nah. Just exposing a windy fraud. If you ain't writing a book, you don't need to know. And Paul is already exposed as a fraud. Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh >Pete Kerezman <petekerez@aol.com> posted message >ID<hhptf0pp4brs5bhodh4vhbbdbdq59pq3tn@4ax.com>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >If you ain't writing a book, you don't need to know. And Paul is >already exposed as a fraud. Paul has been exposed herein as a superlative engine man and much more. What'd you ever do to advance the R/C airplane hobby? Just in case I decide to write a book, eh, which I'm thoroughly capable of doing. I suggest you contribute or remain less than zero. I repeat: Do you even fly R/C? Texas Pete petekerez@aol.com (Pete Kerezman) posted message ID<40fefd19.2248189@news.intcomm.net>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:38:14 GMT >>Pete Kerezman <petekerez@aol.com> posted message >>ID<hhptf0pp4brs5bhodh4vhbbdbdq59pq3tn@4ax.com>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Paul has been exposed herein as a superlative engine man and much >more. 'More' being a disingenuous LIEberal who thinks his standards should only apply to 'other people' and never to himself. >What'd you ever do to advance the R/C airplane hobby? I have not yet strangled LIEberal R/C'rs with their own intestines. I have caused quitguy and regtum to take vows of silence. I have exposed Paul as a butthurt LIEberal who cannot support any of his absurd claims with a single fact. And I've forced Neville to post only on-topic information instead of his usual drunken ravings. What the f.ck have you ever done to 'advance the R/C airplane hobby'? >Just in >case I decide to write a book, eh, which I'm thoroughly capable of >doing. Then I suggest you kiss my a.s and make it a love story. > I suggest you contribute or remain less than zero. I repeat: Do you >even fly R/C? What possible difference could that make, TexAss Pete? Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh It appears to me that Paul gives good, cogent advice. You only seem to contribute to bandwidth pollution. I would suggest you drink your cold beer and go off to bed like a nice boy! >petekerez@aol.com (Pete Kerezman) posted message >ID<40fefd19.2248189@news.intcomm.net>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:38:14 GMT [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >What possible difference could that make, TexAss Pete? Dan <d.bolt@mchsi.com> posted message ID<bu2uf0l3aimuiijii9l2190d64l4cam9gl@4ax.com>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:42:25 GMT >It appears to me that Paul gives good, cogent advice. What appears to you is irrelevant. >You only seem >to contribute to bandwidth pollution. What seems to you is irrelevant. What you can prove is relevant. As to bandwidth pollution, I submit the following: Message-ID: <40feed55$0$63368$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net> Message-ID: <40fee087$0$96034$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net> Message-ID: <40fec5ae$0$63388$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net> Message-ID: <40fe9ba7$0$63399$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net> Message-ID: <40fd91b5$0$92638$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> Message-ID: <40fd9180$0$92653$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> Message-ID: <40f22dd8$0$547$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> Message-ID: <40f22bf8$0$544$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> Message-ID: <40f1bf2d$0$549$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net> Message-ID: <6GqHc.4455$Fc7.816903@stones.force9.net> Message-ID: <6FqHc.4454$Fc7.816928@stones.force9.net> Message-ID: <4DqHc.4453$Fc7.816885@stones.force9.net> All by the same person. All off-topic. All 'bandwidth pollution'. There are more, but the point is made. Why is Paul held to a different standard than others? Why did you not tell Paul to 'go off to bed'? Does he have incriminating photos of you sucking his cawk? >I would suggest you drink your >cold beer and go off to bed like a nice boy! I would suggest that you keep your nose out of other people's business, and, before you attempt to attract more of my attention, learn that I am in no way a 'nice boy'. >>petekerez@aol.com (Pete Kerezman) posted message >>ID<40fefd19.2248189@news.intcomm.net>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:38:14 GMT [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> >>What possible difference could that make, TexAss Pete? Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh Gee, I must have really struck a nerve with this twat! -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > Dan <d.bolt@mchsi.com> posted message > ID<bu2uf0l3aimuiijii9l2190d64l4cam9gl@4ax.com>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > "For the dense among you"-Paul McIntosh > "What the F**k is he saying"-Paul McIntosh > Gee, I must have really struck a nerve with this twat! Of course. You don't agre with yor politics, therefore you are a dangerous un american LIEberal. Cf. McCarthyism. The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> posted message ID<cdnvsi$3ri$3$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:01:19 +0100 >> Gee, I must have really struck a nerve with this twat! >> >Of course. You don't agre with yor politics, therefore you are a >dangerous un american LIEberal. Nonsense, Neville. Anybody who does not suffer from the dual deamons of reading comprehension problems and delerium tremors would be able to see that it is Paul's (and now, Dan's) double-standards that are currently the topic of discussion, and not his politics. >Cf. McCarthyism. Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<40ff5560$0$25125$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:49:31 +0100 >Gee, I must have really struck a nerve with this twat! Three thing, Paul. 1) I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Dan, who had gallantly come to your rescue. 2) Using you as an example to point out Dan's double standard wrt 'bandwidth pollution' does not show that you somehow 'struck a nerve'. 3) 'Twat' not only demonstrates a lack of respect for women, it's one of those name-calling things of which you disapprove. Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh > Gee, I must have really struck a nerve with this twat! > > -- > Paul McIntosh The guy's as nutty as a fruit cake.... stark staring mad. Just ignore him, if nobody responds to his mad ramblings then he can't play the fool anymore.... although he is outstanding as an idiot. Ignore him and he will probably just implode, he won't get any fun talking to himself. Reg > http://www.rc-bearings.com >> Dan <d.bolt@mchsi.com> posted message [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] >> "For the dense among you"-Paul McIntosh >> "What the F**k is he saying"-Paul McIntosh Many of his posts seem to be nothing more than talking to hear his own voice. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > > Gee, I must have really struck a nerve with this twat! > > [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > >> "For the dense among you"-Paul McIntosh > >> "What the F**k is he saying"-Paul McIntosh "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<4100393a$0$96001$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:01:45 +0100 >Many of his posts seem to be nothing more than talking to hear his own >voice. You imagine that you 'hear' usenet posts? You really should seek professional help. Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh reg <tux_powered@yahoo.com> posted message ID<2mam5hFl53e8U2@uni-berlin.de>on 22 Jul 2004 20:25:23 GMT >> Gee, I must have really struck a nerve with this twat! >> >> -- >> Paul McIntosh > >The guy's as nutty as a fruit cake.... stark staring mad. What makes you say that? >Just ignore him, Impossible. Paul lacks the discipline. >if nobody responds to his mad ramblings then he >can't play the fool anymore.... although he is outstanding as an idiot. Nearly as good as you, eh? >Ignore him and he will probably just implode, he won't get any fun >talking to himself. Au contraire, I rather enjoy watching obsessed tools talking *about* me, too. A pity you couldn't keep your word about shutting up. No surprise, though. > Reg > [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] >>> "For the dense among you"-Paul McIntosh >>> "What the F**k is he saying"-Paul McIntosh Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh >What... have you ever done to 'advance the R/C airplane hobby'? I have supported it by having a half-dozen or so kit reviews published in R/C Report magazine and by helping dozens of newbies learn to fly. It's obvious that you, however, have nothing to offer other than neurotic vitriol. If you weren't so obnoxious I could pity you, but since that's not possible I'll just make you disappear instead. Texas Pete Pete, Good on ya, it appears that Todd "Klondike"has had nothing to offer this group at any time of his posting here, & his repeated messages only confirm it. Best regards, SignatureHerb Winston AMA 50438 Bonita Springs, FL He may look like an idiot, and he may sound like an idiot, but don't let him fool you. He really is an idiot. Mark Twain "Herb Winston" <detectivhsd@earthlink.net> posted message ID<B8PLc.7489$iK.701@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:18:25 GMT >Pete, > >Good on ya, it appears that Todd "Klondike"has had nothing to offer this >group at any time of his posting here, & his repeated messages only confirm >it. I have rid the group of deceitful liberal ideology. Surely that counts for something. Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh Todd "Klondike": You haven't rid this group of anything. I am a Conservative, but not the type that you appear to be: a petty jerk. Even if Paul is a Liberal, I highly respect him for his knowledge of the R/C sport & after having dealt with him for several years I consider him a man of high character & strong values. He is what a friend should be.. SignatureHerb Winston AMA 50438 Bonita Springs, FL Remove NO SPAM to reply He may look like an idiot, and he may sound like an idiot, but don't let him fool you. He really is an idiot. Mark Twain "Herb Winston" <detectivhsd@earthlink.net> posted message ID<cUPLc.9190$f4.300@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:09:12 GMT >Todd "Klondike": > >You haven't rid this group of anything. Why would you say something that is so easily proved false? Try and find the last political post in this group. Then, note the date of that post. Go ahead, I'll wait. >I am a Conservative, but not the >type that you appear to be: a petty jerk. Watch that name-calling. Paul does not approve. >Even if Paul is a Liberal, I >highly respect him for his knowledge of the R/C sport & after having dealt >with him for several years I consider him a man of high character & strong >values. He is what a friend should be.. What possible difference does that make? I take issue with Paul's apparent belief that he should be held to different (and lower) standards than other people. Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh The last political post was YOURS at 4:04pm GMT. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > "Herb Winston" <detectivhsd@earthlink.net> posted message > ID<cUPLc.9190$f4.300@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>on Thu, 22 Jul [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > "For the dense among you"-Paul McIntosh > "What the F**k is he saying"-Paul McIntosh Now, rid the board of yourself and your mission will be complete. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > The last political post was YOURS at 4:04pm GMT. > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > "For the dense among you"-Paul McIntosh > > "What the F**k is he saying"-Paul McIntosh "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<40ffe904$0$96004$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:19:31 +0100 >Now, rid the board of yourself and your mission will be complete. Talking to yourself? That's a sure sign of mental strain. You should take another couple weeks off. Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh You gotta be a 13 year old because you sound just like one. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message > ID<40ffe904$0$96004$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>on Thu, 22 Jul [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > "For the dense among you"-Paul McIntosh > "What the F**k is he saying"-Paul McIntosh "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<40ffeeb2$0$25136$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:43:45 +0100 >You gotta be a 13 year old because you sound just like one. Is that what passes for logic in the shallow end of the gene pool? Wit, perhaps? You replied to your own post suggesting that you 'rid the board of yourself'. I have no objection to your doing so. Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<40ffe393$0$96033$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:56:17 +0100 >The last political post was YOURS at 4:04pm GMT. I can't seem to find any post made by me ar 4:04 pm GMT. Perhaps you would be so kind as to point it out? Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh The only thing I don't approve of is people like you who think it is perfectly acceptable to talk about killing your pet and having sex with it afterwards. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > "Herb Winston" <detectivhsd@earthlink.net> posted message > ID<cUPLc.9190$f4.300@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>on Thu, 22 Jul [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > "For the dense among you"-Paul McIntosh > "What the F**k is he saying"-Paul McIntosh "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<40ffe405$0$96034$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:58:11 +0100 >The only thing I don't approve of is people like you who think it is >perfectly acceptable to talk about killing your pet and having sex with it >afterwards. Where have I said talking about your 'special' hobby was perfectly acceptable? I've long preferred that you keep those kind of things to yourself. Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh >The only thing I don't approve of is people like you who think it is >perfectly acceptable to talk <crap> Paul - the unfortunate creature to whom you refer is nothing more than a simple-minded rabble rouser, and I have rendered it invisible to me. <poof> So nice. You ain't rabble, so don't be roused. Texas Pete Pete Kerezman <petekerez@aol.com> posted message ID<9mqvf0tqubji32f0jo3i2ieqbafujt7s7i@4ax.com>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:31:33 -0500 >>The only thing I don't approve of is people like you who think it is >>perfectly acceptable to talk <crap> > > Paul - the unfortunate creature to whom you refer is nothing more >than a simple-minded rabble rouser, and I have rendered it invisible >to me. <poof> A couple things, TexAss. First, you can't really killfile somebody who does not wish to be killfiled. Second, if your BIG MOVE is killfiling me, why did you bother sticking your nose into the conversation in the first place? What did you hope to accomplish, other than your hasty retreat? >So nice. Still nice? > You ain't rabble, so don't be roused. > >TexAss Pete Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh I bet he can't even fly a plane! -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > >The only thing I don't approve of is people like you who think it is > >perfectly acceptable to talk <crap> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Texas Pete No, but he can troll... Note how he changed his screen name and bogus email addy to bypass Pete's "poofmaker"... Trolls thrive on the replies they get from their "fish"... Ignore this twit and he'll disappear in a nonce.... > I bet he can't even fly a plane! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > Texas Pete "Bill Fulmer" <grafix01@cox.net> posted message ID<J8TLc.45$zA4.29@lakeread04>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:49:30 -0500 >No, but he can troll... > >Note how he changed his screen name and bogus email addy to bypass Pete's >"poofmaker"... Just proving a point. If I don't allow it, I can't be effectively killfiled. >Trolls thrive on the replies they get from their "fish"... They also enjoy when w.nks pretend to ignore them, but obsessively talk *about* them. Carry on. >Ignore this twit and he'll disappear in a nonce.... Dun't bet on it. >> I bet he can't even fly a plane! >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> > >> > Texas Pete Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh petekerez@aol.com (Pete Kerezman) posted message ID<40ffb03d.1564066@news.intcomm.net>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:30:12 GMT >>What... have you ever done to 'advance the R/C airplane hobby'? > > I have supported it by having a half-dozen or so kit reviews >published in R/C Report magazine and by helping dozens of newbies >learn to fly. Go you. > It's obvious that you, however, have nothing to offer other than >neurotic vitriol. If you weren't so obnoxious I could pity you, but >since that's not possible I'll just make you disappear instead. How, pray tell, do you intend to make me disappear? Is that some sort of threat? >TexAss Pete Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh I predict a totally useless answer to this..... -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > <pure BS snipped> > > HAY TODD - Do you even fly R/C? > > Texas Pete >I predict a totally useless answer to this..... Roger that. It happened. Texas Pete >Paul McIntosh >http://www.rc-bearings.com [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Texas Pete But wait, there's more! -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > >I predict a totally useless answer to this..... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >> > >> Texas Pete "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<40fee087$0$96034$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:30:56 +0100 >I predict a totally useless answer to this..... And you were appointed 'Moderator in Charge of Value' for the group when, exactly? In light of your lofty position, explain how so many of your worthless political posts got posted. Or, is this another example of your standards applying only to 'other people'? Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh Blah, blah, blah -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message > ID<40fee087$0$96034$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>on Wed, 21 Jul [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > "For the dense among you"-Paul McIntosh > "What the F**k is he saying"-Paul McIntosh "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<40feed55$0$63368$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:25:34 +0100 >Blah, blah, blah Why Paul! That's the most coherent thing you've ever posted. Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh >Blah, blah, blah Y'know, if you had just let him rant without perpetuating the stupidity I'd have thought there only one idiot instead of two. Now children - DON'T MAKE ME STOP THIS CAR !!! ;) Ah, yes... A message from Tod, a message from Paul... Todd, Paul, todd, paul, todd, paul... the pete got into the fray... and of course, it all became personal and the os la discussion just dribbled away... . Arne, USA . . > >Blah, blah, blah > > Y'know, if you had just let him rant without perpetuating the > stupidity I'd have thought there only one idiot instead of two. > > Now children - DON'T MAKE ME STOP THIS CAR !!! ;) So, where is your contribution to the OS LA discussion? I have about 8 on-topic posts here. How many do YOU have? FWIW, I have even seen people going to the expense of machining new bushings for the 65LA after the original wore out! -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > Ah, yes... A message from Tod, a message from Paul... Todd, Paul, todd, > paul, todd, paul... the pete got into the fray... and of course, it all [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > Now children - DON'T MAKE ME STOP THIS CAR !!! ;) "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<40ffee5e$0$25135$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:42:21 +0100 >So, where is your contribution to the OS LA discussion? I have about 8 >on-topic posts here. How many off-topic, buttmunch? Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh >So, where is your contribution to the OS LA discussion? I have about 8 >on-topic posts here. How many do YOU have? A single on topic post made on 16/07/04. All that was necessary for those unencumbered with your own apparently deluded sense of self-importance. Perhaps if you weren't so distracted by your current ranting and paid closer attention to the topic - or were smart enough to cross-check what is probably a long ago archived as uninterestingly on topic post for you, you'd have been able to discern that yourself ;P >FWIW, I have even seen people going to the expense of machining new bushings >for the 65LA after the original wore out! No only is that as superfluous as it's worth, but it's as irrelevant to the topic at hand as were your earlier misinterpretive statements of a natural superiority presumed upon the inarguable higher power output of TBR engines which run contrary to the intended role & functionality of the LA. By comparison of suitability to purpose and price the LA is way ahead. In point of fact the 40LA is all that is not only necessary, but preferred for purpose and a wise choice necessitating a notably lesser spend. And don't even start me on your exaggerative bullshit $80 for an .46LA! In the end economic triage will ultimately favour the 40LA sans blue clothes no matter how the argument is posed. Now.....DO I REALLY HAVE TO STOP THIS CAR?!!!!! :P Wow, someone got a new dictionary. As far as the price of the 46LA goes, sure you can get it for less. If you don't happen to live in the US, you can pay a LOT more. Just Engines in the UK (one of the best suppliers) lists it for around $120.00. They sell the Supertigre .51 for the same price. As for being on-topic, every one of my posts were a direct response to another post which makes them very on-topic. -- Paul McIntosh http://www.rc-bearings.com > >So, where is your contribution to the OS LA discussion? I have about 8 > >on-topic posts here. How many do YOU have? [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Now.....DO I REALLY HAVE TO STOP THIS CAR?!!!!! :P "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message ID<4100ad61$0$96008$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>on Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:17:22 +0100 >Wow, someone got a new dictionary. I hope you make good use of it. >As far as the price of the 46LA goes, sure you can get it for less. If you >don't happen to live in the US, you can pay a LOT more. Just Engines in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >As for being on-topic, every one of my posts were a direct response to >another post which makes them very on-topic. It would seem that the definition of 'on-topic' has eluded you. Perhaps you should try your new dictionary. Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh >Ah, yes... A message from Tod, a message from Paul... Todd, Paul, todd, >paul, todd, paul... the pete got into the fray... and of course, it all >became personal and the os la discussion just dribbled away... There's nothin' left to discuss anyway. It would appear that concensus is that the LA engines are acceptable but there's superior alternatives. And Toad thang has ceased to exist for me. Once it ceases to exist for everyone it will disappear entirely. Texas Pete Pete Kerezman <petekerez@aol.com> posted message ID<gmrvf0ljoqu4cnu4pp4e9suntp0ohf0t27@4ax.com>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:45:06 -0500 >And Toad thang has ceased to exist for me. How cute. You play-pretend at ignoring me so that you can talk -about- me to others. Rent-free in your empty skull, I am. > Once it >ceases to exist for everyone it will disappear entirely. Don't bet your texAss on it. Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh >Ah, yes... A message from Tod, a message from Paul... Todd, Paul, todd, >paul, todd, paul... the pete got into the fray... and of course, it all >became personal and the os la discussion just dribbled away... Hi Arne, long time no hear. Hey you guys, I got the cup and the tape measure...stand back, unzip, and let it fly! Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!" rec.models.rc.air PISSING MATCH ? > >Ah, yes... A message from Tod, a message from Paul... Todd, Paul, todd, > >paul, todd, paul... the pete got into the fray... and of course, it all [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Dr.1 Driver > "There's a Hun in the sun!" "Andrew Noll" <nollandrew@comcast.net> posted message ID<jZ-dnVdb7aTM-Z3cRVn-vA@comcast.com>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:05:14 -0500 >rec.models.rc.air PISSING MATCH ? It would be no contest. My e-cawk is huge. >> >Ah, yes... A message from Tod, a message from Paul... Todd, Paul, todd, >> >paul, todd, paul... the pete got into the fray... and of course, it all [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> Dr.1 Driver >> "There's a Hun in the sun!" Signature"you use diversion and name calling."Paul McIntosh "twat!"Paul McIntosh "Gee, just like Shrub?"Paul McIntosh "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front of you."Paul McIntosh "...blind following of a group of crazy people."Paul McIntosh "No, YOU are a waste of time."Paul McIntosh "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"Paul McIntosh "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."Paul McIntosh "You are a dope."Paul McIntosh "For the dense among you"Paul McIntosh "What the F**k is he saying"Paul McIntosh >It would be no contest. My e-cawk is huge. Must be m |
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