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quietguy - 04 Aug 2004 01:39 GMT
Hi All

Just putting together a World Models Sky Raider ARF, and for the love of
me cannot get the rubber bung into the fuel tank - push and shove and
lubricate with water and lubricate with slip easy stuff, and shove and
push some more - all to no avail - the mongrel just won't go in.

I made sure the centre screw is very loose - no contact from the metal
discs to the rubber, only 2 lines going in - 1x fuel out & 1x vent.

I can't be the only bloke who has had this problem - or am I?  Losing
strength in my old age?  Victim of a subtle Chinese plot to make us
Westerners feel inadequate?  Buggered if I know.

Although I am a newbie, this is the 4th glow plane I have 'built', and
tho those little rubber bungs are always a bit of bugger, I've always
managed to get them in OK on the other models.  But not this one.

Advise gratefully accepted

David

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Old Sailor - 04 Aug 2004 03:02 GMT
Not familiar with the exact tank you are using, but you might want to
run a knife blade or file around the inside lip of the fuel tank to
develope a slight bevel on the opening of the tank.  Sometimes the
hole is too small because of the flashing remaining when the tank is
molded.

Good luck.

OS

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quietguy - 05 Aug 2004 00:42 GMT
I will give one of the other (hopefully less destructive) suggestions a
go first, and if no luck will try this - thanks for the reply

David

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Six_O'Clock_High - 04 Aug 2004 05:21 GMT
Well...

*I* use a small (1/8") screwdriver blade to push it in one small part at a
time being careful not to cut it since I will be depending on it to seal the
tank.

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quietguy - 05 Aug 2004 00:41 GMT
Looks like I might have to try this - thanks mate

David

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MJC - 04 Aug 2004 15:54 GMT
   I think that water just makes it stick all that much more.
   Try using a shot of spray silicone. That always works for me.

MJC

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quietguy - 05 Aug 2004 00:40 GMT
>     I think that water just makes it stick all that much more.
>     Try using a shot of spray silicone. That always works for me.

The slip easy stuff is a silicone spray - but it didn't help - but
thanks for the reply

David

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tomb046 - 05 Aug 2004 00:55 GMT
I guessing this is a rubber stooper dip it in rubbing alcohol should make it
slippery as the dickens.  save the good stuff for drinking.

tomb
quietguy - 05 Aug 2004 07:48 GMT
Sounds like a good idea - can I use scotch if I haven't any raw alcohol handy?

David

> I guessing this is a rubber stooper dip it in rubbing alcohol should make it
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K - 08 Aug 2004 00:35 GMT
Hi David.

When I read your term of endearment, I just knew you were an Oz. :)

Mate, unless WM have changed their fuel tank or bung design or sourced
same elsewhere (Vietnam?) for the cheapie Sky Raider, you simply
shouldn't be having a problem unless induced by the proverbial "finger
trouble". ie: Don't take offence, but that you're putting together a
Sky Raider implies you might just be a newbie?

Can you fit just the bung alone without any of without the plates and
screw in place? If so, you just need to loosen the screw some more.

If not, on balance of probability there might just be a minor defect
in manufacture of the tank neck or a bit of flash obstructing the
bung. Have a look. You might have to remove the flash with the blade
of a hobby knife, of if the neck itself has a minor deformation,
attack it with a Dremel or round file. A lot quicker and more
practical than sourcing an exchange replacement unless the LHS has
another Sky Raider box in stock. If it's seriously deformed, just
return it to your LHS. WM offer a replacement parts warranty, and the
Oz distributor of WM, HobbyHQ are much more supportive of LHS customer
complaint than that opposition crew in Melbourne.

My recommended World Models bung insertion and testing technique.

1. Have the expansion screw as loose as possible, but still inserted
sufficiently as to just retain the inner plate.

2. Preferably using *rubber* grease, apply an ultra thin coat both to
the bung and to the tank neck.

3. Insert bung and tighten screw. Don't overtighten and distort bung.

NB: IME you have to finesse the tension a little better with WM bungs
due to the lack of a secondary fitted cap over the neck a la DuBro or
Sullivan units. However, *provided you tension the bung right*, the
std WM unit proves itself just a reliable in practical service IME.

4. Seal vents with silicon fuel tube and test tank in water filled
sink for leaks. If bubbles are seen, tighten bung screw some more with
incremental finesse until air stops leaking from tank.

If that doesn't work for you, then either the unit IS porked OOTB or
you should find another hobby.

Good luck. WM are the best ARFs in the marketplace today and their
hardware including tanks stands up to the in-service reliability test.
I appreciate the Sky Raiders are their budget priced offering, but I
couldn't see WM allowing their reputation to slip on what is
essentially a intro to the hobby model targeted at newbies.
quietguy - 08 Aug 2004 01:15 GMT
Thanks for all the good advice K - much appreciated - and yep and Aussie
thru and thru

While you are right that I am a newbie, this is the 4th World Models
plane I have assembled (2 x Superstunts, 1x WorldStar 40) and a 60 model
Tiger trainer) so have put a couple of bungs in before without too much hassle.

Anyway, after a few replies I decided too ream out the neck of the tank
- no sweat except (of course) I may have overdone it a bit.  Got the
bung in and tested it underwater - nice bubbles.  Tightened the screw a
bit more and no more bubbles, but then saw some fluid in the tank.  Have
removed the bung and washed out the tank, and am now waiting for it to dry.

I thought it might be a good idea to seal the tank with some sort of
'goo' - but am wondering what will stick to that sort of plastic - seems
similar to what I use to mix epoxy on (bottom of milk bottles) and I
know the epoxy doesn't stick too well on that.

Of course if all else fails I'll make the trip and buy a new tank.

Incidentally, one poster suggested I fuel proof the fuel tank
compartment - how the hell do you do that?  You can't get at most of the
bugger from either the front or rear!  

And I agree with you about World Models - those Superstunts are the best
trainers around I reckon - just got a 60 size I am dying to try.  If you
are wondering why "so many planes with so little experience" - its
simple - I hate fixing em when they get bent - rather get a new one.

Cheers

David

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K - 08 Aug 2004 04:16 GMT
Hi David

>Incidentally, one poster suggested I fuel proof the fuel tank
>compartment - how the hell do you do that?

This is a nonsense which deserves no more accord than the rest of R/C
folklore belonging to a bygone age. Forget it.

If the bung comes out and the tank contents leak into the fuse, it'll
penetrate into the joints everywhere whether you've "fuel proofed" or
not. Fact. Weakest link and all that. Fuel oil spreads like blood and
oil over a floor into every nook and cranny. OTOH if you've pranged
badly enough to split the tank with the same result, the fuselage will
likely be going into the bin with the rest of the splinters.

>And I agree with you about World Models - those Superstunts are the best
>trainers around I reckon - just got a 60 size I am dying to try.

Concur. I also have a well flogged WM Superstunts 40. Magic piece of
kit. A very versatile 'trainer'. Not used as such, but as you say,
stick her on low rates, and it's docile enough to be used as one.

>If you are wondering why "so many planes with so little experience" - its
>simple - I hate fixing em when they get bent - rather get a new one.

I'm a builder from way back, but I agree entirely with your
perspective. Seven years ago I wouldn't. Today, ARF quality has lifted
so much and the price is so amenable that it's simply an egoistical
nonsense to build not to mention economic stupidity.

Good luck with the tank. PS: BTW, the 'secret' is sealing and
lubricating the bungs/stoppers with rubber grease which doesn't
deteriorate the rubber, helps with the seal as a bit of lubricant on a
gasket always does. You can buy rubber grease from any decent auto
shop.

As you, I've not had a problem with WM tanks yet, so given your
experience based comparison, your current one certainly sounds flawed
beyond modification or repair OOTB.
Charles & Peggy Robinson - 17 Aug 2004 02:15 GMT
    Not nonsense at all.  I always fuel-proof the tank compartment and
the firewall.  I use 15-minute epoxy thinned with fuel quality alky.
Fuel tanks leak sometimes.  Fuel-proofing keeps the oil out of the
balsa.  Strengthens the wood and joints in a critical area too.

   CR

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jim breeyear - 26 Aug 2004 20:21 GMT
I have found that a small hole in the fuel tank aft area on the bottom
with a short piece of brass inserted flush inside in said hole will help
drain the tank area quickly before it reaches the other parts aft. Tanks
will split when you least expect it. Epoxy the tank area too. I pressure
test tanks yearly .

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quietguy - 27 Aug 2004 02:20 GMT
Thanks Jim

David

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