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TT-07 impossible to start, help ?

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Steve Tourle - 15 Aug 2004 20:33 GMT
new flier,  just picked up a TT-07 powered trainer, can I start the bugger
!!  It fires occasionally, tried all sorts of needle settings and throttle
settings, using correct recomended fuel. Glow starter, well, is 1.2v enough
? i can see plug glowing but its not super hot. After 2 days and a very sore
finger, managed to get it turning under its own power for 3 seconds ! What
can i do to improve this starting performance ?
Stoc005 - 16 Aug 2004 00:56 GMT
Try different/fresh fuel. Perhaps a bit more nitro..mayeb 30%. Smaller engines
like nitro.
Bill K
A.T. - 16 Aug 2004 11:07 GMT
Initial setting rich so make sure you start and run with carb set at idle =
hole in barrel open about 1/16 - 3/32 inch.
Use new OS No 8 glowplug or Enya No.3. for up to 10% nitro. Glow should be a
good bright orange.
Do Not Use an electric drill - to slow, nor a large 12V starter for a larger
motor - you may flood and break conrod or more.
After a couple of 2 oz runs,  the GP.07 starts easily with a finger flip and
run like a sewing machine.
Have broken in several of these gems with another new one is mounted on the
Test Stand for an early start tomorrow. I now cheat. - refer to =
http://www.northlandflyer.com/Tips__n__Techniques/starter/body_starter.html
there is another version I can send you a jpg of in need.

regards
Alan T.
Alan's Hobby, Model & RC Web Links
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~atong

> new flier,  just picked up a TT-07 powered trainer, can I start the bugger
> !!  It fires occasionally, tried all sorts of needle settings and throttle
> settings, using correct recomended fuel. Glow starter, well, is 1.2v enough
> ? i can see plug glowing but its not super hot. After 2 days and a very sore
> finger, managed to get it turning under its own power for 3 seconds ! What
> can i do to improve this starting performance ?
TX_QBALL@webtv.net - 16 Aug 2004 13:02 GMT
Ole' dummy here...I'm still trying to figure what a TT-.07 is. You said
trainer/07. What is a 07? Is this a very small trainer like a park flyer
with a small glow engine??
Thanx
Dr1Driver - 16 Aug 2004 13:29 GMT
>.I'm still trying to figure what a TT-.07 is.

I'm betting it's a Thunder Tiger .07 glow engine.  :)
Dr.1 Driver
"There's a Hun in the sun!"
Mike R - 16 Aug 2004 16:00 GMT
> Ole' dummy here...I'm still trying to figure what a TT-.07 is. You said
> trainer/07. What is a 07? Is this a very small trainer like a park flyer
> with a small glow engine??
> Thanx

  Thunder Tiger makes two sport/trainer models....57" span, high wing. Both
are identical. One is more suitable as a parkflyer. Both 3ch control. One is
called the Sparky (electric version) and the other the Sky Scooter (glow
version ) thus the Thunder Tiger .07 glow engine.

                  Mike
TX_QBALL@webtv.net - 17 Aug 2004 04:21 GMT
I just didn't know of a trainer type plane that is powered by an .07
size engine. Learn somtin ever day.........
thanx
A.T. - 18 Aug 2004 01:47 GMT
refer to
http://www.acehobby.com/acehobby/products/engines/airplane/gpseries/index.html
and check the GP-07 engine = a real sweetie.
for the GP-7 powered ARTF Scooter see =
http://www.acehobby.com/acehobby/products/airplane/schoolyardflyers/ttr4561_scoo
ter/index.html


of the electric version =
http://www.acehobby.com/acehobby/products/airplane/schoolyardflyers/ttr4307_spar
ky/index.html


Some people simply change the motor power from gas to electric depending
upon the occasion and their mood. - easy to retrofit either model with a
removable power pod.

regards
Alan T.
Alan's Hobby, Model & RC Web Links
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~atong

> Ole' dummy here...I'm still trying to figure what a TT-.07 is. You said
> trainer/07. What is a 07? Is this a very small trainer like a park flyer
> with a small glow engine??
> Thanx
Mathew Kirsch - 16 Aug 2004 22:18 GMT
> new flier,  just picked up a TT-07 powered trainer, can I start the bugger
> !!  It fires occasionally, tried all sorts of needle settings and throttle
> settings, using correct recomended fuel. Glow starter, well, is 1.2v enough
> ? i can see plug glowing but its not super hot. After 2 days and a very sore
> finger, managed to get it turning under its own power for 3 seconds ! What
> can i do to improve this starting performance ?

Above all, don't get discouraged. Until you get the engine tuned and
broken in, it's gonna be a challenge to flip start. Most engines are
like that. BTDT.

First, I'd recommend you get a "chicken stick" of some sort. It'll
save your finger. Charge up your glow ignitor. Set the prop so it's
pointing to 2 o'clock and 8 o'clock when the engine is coming up on
compression.

Start with the needle valve exactly two turns from completely closed.
Open the throttle to full, place your finger over the opening, then
turn the prop over by hand until all the bubbles are out of the fuel
line going to the carb. A good prime and a solid fuel supply are
mandatory for successful engine running. If the fuel won't stay in the
line, you have an air leak somewhere in the system. Fix it. Change out
all the fuel line if you must. Replace the tank. Reseat the
carburetor. Check all connections.

Close the throttle and flip the engine over three more times by hand.

Open the throttle until it's open about the width of a pencil. Plug
the glow ignitor on.

Now flip. It should at least fire. If it does, repeat the priming
procedure and try again.
John Berk - 18 Aug 2004 05:55 GMT
Steve,

Check the low end idle screw. Some people screw them all the way in and
the engine will not run. Hope this helps.

JIB

> new flier,  just picked up a TT-07 powered trainer, can I start the bugger
> !!  It fires occasionally, tried all sorts of needle settings and throttle
> settings, using correct recomended fuel. Glow starter, well, is 1.2v enough
> ? i can see plug glowing but its not super hot. After 2 days and a very sore
> finger, managed to get it turning under its own power for 3 seconds ! What
> can i do to improve this starting performance ?
loyd_greer - 24 Aug 2004 22:07 GMT
Steve,
How to improve starting performance? Get a Miller 1/2A electric starter.

I also had trouble starting my new TT-07, flipping with my finger.   I gave
up the first day. The next time I tried, I was armed with a Miller 1/2A
electric starter.  The carburetor on this has an air bleed low speed
adjustment. It makes no difference where it's set unless your at the extreme
low end. I used a 6-3 prop and good 1/2A fuel(25%nitro and 25%oil). Using
the starter it fired right up and with a little adjustment of the high speed
needle it was running.  It did take a few minutes running before I could
begin to lean it out. Now it runs great. It not a real power house but it
does the job and it idles good for a small engine. The more I run it the
better it gets.

LGG

> Steve,
>
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> > finger, managed to get it turning under its own power for 3 seconds ! What
> > can i do to improve this starting performance ?
A.T. - 25 Aug 2004 12:22 GMT
<good 1/2A fuel(25%nitro and 25%oil).>
Please refer to the manufacturers' instruction sheet - max 15% Nitro.
No need to waste so much expensive Nitro for no gain nor to load up with
oil - that mix was for the now ancient  .049 Cox engines with a ball and
socket conrod and very different metals and design.
.
The TT GP-07 is a sweet little motor, especially when run as recommended =

see also review =
http://www.modelflying.co.uk/features/feature17/index.html
and post
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=gp-07&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=b6u9ou%24len%241
%40lust.ihug.co.nz&rnum=2


regards
Alan T.

Alan's Hobby, Model & RC Web Links
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~atong

> Steve,
> How to improve starting performance? Get a Miller 1/2A electric starter.
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> What
> > > can i do to improve this starting performance ?
ciroajimenez - 19 Aug 2008 03:51 GMT
Can somebody tell me about the turns required on the air valve screw o
the carburator because I just was moving it and now I dont know where i
the factory setting.....How to adjust it to the best position??

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ciroajimene
MJKolodziej - 19 Aug 2008 05:49 GMT
> Can somebody tell me about the turns required on the air valve screw on
> the carburator because I just was moving it and now I dont know where is
> the factory setting.....How to adjust it to the best position???

I'm not familiar with that specific carb but usually in an air bleed carb
you can see the screw in the hole. Count the turns from closed to open so
you know when you've gone too far. Start with it almost closed and work your
way out.
Hopefully other will chime in.
mk
Morgans - 19 Aug 2008 07:20 GMT
> Can somebody tell me about the turns required on the air valve screw on
> the carburator because I just was moving it and now I dont know where is
> the factory setting.....How to adjust it to the best position???
If you are really talking about an air bleed screw, then it should not
bother the engine from running at wide open throttle, at all.

Run the screw in until the hole is closed, and back out (open) about a turn
and a half.  Open the throttle wide open (usual cautions; plane held, stuff
away from the prop, ect) and start it.  Bring it down to a fast idle, and
see how it sounds.  Adjust so it has a slightly burbling 4 cycle sound, and
then give it the gas, fast.  The throttle response will tell you what you
need to do next.  If it coughs and dies, close the air bleed.  If it
struggles in a 4 cycle sound and sounds like it is flooding, open the air
bleed.

Let us know how it goes.
Signature

Jim in NC

A.T. - 19 Aug 2008 10:28 GMT
A great little motor but hard for beginners to start until it is run in.
After run-in it is like a little sewing machine. NB: The manufacturers
instructions regarding run in and fuel mix are the optimum.

Standard starter motors do not spin over fast enough and will bend the
conrod in event of a hydraulic lock.

Easiest starting method is to build a 1/2A starter motor as shown under sub
section
"Cleaning & Starter Motors (Homemade & On board):
at Alan's Hobby, Model & RC FAQ Web Links
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~atong/

regards
Alan T.

> Can somebody tell me about the turns required on the air valve screw on
> the carburator because I just was moving it and now I dont know where is
> the factory setting.....How to adjust it to the best position???
Ed Cregger - 19 Aug 2008 13:23 GMT
> Can somebody tell me about the turns required on the air valve screw on
> the carburator because I just was moving it and now I dont know where is
> the factory setting.....How to adjust it to the best position???

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Unless gasoline carburetors (Walbro, etc.), model carburetors are not set to
a specific usable setting that is to be used when the engine is fired up for
the first time.

Why? Because the type of fuel, size of the prop and the height of the fuel
tank varies from one person/model to the next.

Close the high speed needle very gently. Don't screw it down tight or you
can ruin the carb internally. Just a little snug with your finger tips. Now
unscrew the high speed needle (the big one that sticks out from the side)
about 2.5 to 3.0 turns.

Adjust the airbleed screw so that the screw blocks 1/2 of the hole. That is
a good starting point for any engine, even the TT .07 (Yep, I have one too).

The big secret to running glow engines is to never try to run them without a
propeller or other load mounted on the crankshaft. Running them without a
prop or other load will instantly destroy the engine.

Use the manufacturer's recommended prop size. If you do not have that prop
size, do not run the engine until you do.

Use the manufacturer's recommended fuel. This is important.

This is a fine little engine, but you will have to learn its quirks. Once
mastered, you will be very happy with it. Be patient and do it right.

Ed Cregger
Ed Cregger - 19 Aug 2008 21:32 GMT
Substitute "Unlike" for "Unless". Doh!

Ed Cregger

>> Can somebody tell me about the turns required on the air valve screw on
>> the carburator because I just was moving it and now I dont know where is
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>
> Ed Cregger
 
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