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Jim Slaughter - 03 Oct 2005 01:44 GMT
After many months of work developing my new product line, getting prototypes made and perfected, selecting the "color" of the anodizing, coordinating the manufacturing, etc. etc. etc.  our company is finally launched!

Please visit www.flyhurricane.com and let me know what you think. It's not a real spiffy looking site yet but it serves the purpose. It'll get fancier later!
Ed Cregger - 03 Oct 2005 02:43 GMT
A very nice site, Jim. I'm sure that I will be one of your customers in the future. Congratulations.

Ed Cregger

 After many months of work developing my new product line, getting prototypes made and perfected, selecting the "color" of the anodizing, coordinating the manufacturing, etc. etc. etc.  our company is finally launched!

 Please visit www.flyhurricane.com and let me know what you think. It's not a real spiffy looking site yet but it serves the purpose. It'll get fancier later!
Bob Cowell - 03 Oct 2005 04:11 GMT
lose the cutsey animated crap and show us what you have.
I REFUSE to bother with websites that INSIST on having a front page of animated
crap.

YMMV  
Mine doesn't

>After many months of work developing my new product line, getting prototypes made and perfected, selecting the "color" of the anodizing, coordinating the manufacturing, etc. etc. etc.  our company is finally launched!
>
>Please visit www.flyhurricane.com and let me know what you think. It's not a real spiffy looking site yet but it serves the purpose. It'll get fancier later!
Fubar of The HillPeople - 03 Oct 2005 05:15 GMT
Other than the enter here thing dropping down, didnt seem very animated to
me. Considering how much stuff people cram into some websites, I thought it
was very sedate. Not a problem.
Didnt cruise around too much of the site but looks good so far and I faved
it for later.

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>
> lose the cutsey animated crap and show us what you have.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>>a real spiffy looking site yet but it serves the purpose. It'll get
>>fancier later!
Ed Cregger - 03 Oct 2005 05:40 GMT
> lose the cutsey animated crap and show us what you have.
> I REFUSE to bother with websites that INSIST on having a front page of
> animated
> crap.

What animated crap? Didn't see any myself.

Ed Cregger
Jim Slaughter - 04 Oct 2005 06:15 GMT
Well gee Bob, sorry to offend. I notice you didn't give me the URL to your
web site so I could admire how you did yours. Of course had you clicked on
enter you would have seen what we have.

> lose the cutsey animated crap and show us what you have.
> I REFUSE to bother with websites that INSIST on having a front page of
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>>a real spiffy looking site yet but it serves the purpose. It'll get
>>fancier later!
Bob Cowell - 04 Oct 2005 13:32 GMT
THERE IS NO "ENTER" to click on UNLESS THE STUPID FLASH CRAP RUNS

you asked people to go look and tell you what they thought
it is not up to me to have to give you examples of GOOD site programming

I'm not the one trying to sell something and then making people jump through
hoops to see what it is you have to sell.

>Well gee Bob, sorry to offend. I notice you didn't give me the URL to your
>web site so I could admire how you did yours. Of course had you clicked on
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>>>a real spiffy looking site yet but it serves the purpose. It'll get
>>>fancier later!
ddemetrius456 - 17 Nov 2009 05:48 GMT
It's only to say superb.

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Tim Wescott - 03 Oct 2005 06:05 GMT
> After many months of work developing my new product line, getting
> prototypes made and perfected, selecting the "color" of the anodizing,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>  
>  
Take a look at it with a dial-up or other slow connection, then have a
conversation with your webmaster.  I had to look at the HTML source to
make sure there was supposed to be something there, then go away for a
while before even the nice cloudy background appeared (I'm still waiting
for the rest).

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Paul McIntosh - 03 Oct 2005 06:35 GMT
This is a real problem as fewer people remain with dialups, more webmasters
program for dsl and cable.

Jim,  cut the opening page down to just plain HTML and use it for your
search engine optimization.

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>> After many months of work developing my new product line, getting
>> prototypes made and perfected, selecting the "color" of the anodizing,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> while before even the nice cloudy background appeared (I'm still waiting
> for the rest).
Bob Cowell - 03 Oct 2005 13:30 GMT
>This is a real problem as fewer people remain with dialups, more webmasters
>program for dsl and cable.
>
>Jim,  cut the opening page down to just plain HTML and use it for your
>search engine optimization.

The REAL problem is that SOME of us simply can't GET those nice DSL  and cable
connections.
IF the ONLY way to enter a site is to wait for some animated crap to load over a
dialup connection,  then the aggravation of waiting outweighs any potential
value of the site REAL quick
Tim Wescott - 03 Oct 2005 18:24 GMT
> This is a real problem as fewer people remain with dialups, more webmasters
> program for dsl and cable.
>
> Jim,  cut the opening page down to just plain HTML and use it for your
> search engine optimization.

I double-checked against Hobby-Lobby -- the page loaded with all the
text, but no pictures.  Even though the pictures didn't load very fast
they had gone to the trouble to set the picture sizes so the page wasn't
changing size as they loaded.  They even had the descriptive text that
shows when the picture isn't loaded yet.  Now _that's_ a considerate site!

The result was a nice, clean page that I could navigate without trouble
even with my slow connection.

Boy I can't wait until I get my network problems sorted out and I'm back
to full speed!

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Paul McIntosh - 03 Oct 2005 06:36 GMT
Jim,

Looks good.  I am using oscommerce as well.

One thing I would like to see is operating specs for the outrunners such as RPM with standard props and battery configs.  Gives us an idea of which motor to buy.

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"when steel just isn't enough"

 After many months of work developing my new product line, getting prototypes made and perfected, selecting the "color" of the anodizing, coordinating the manufacturing, etc. etc. etc.  our company is finally launched!

 Please visit www.flyhurricane.com and let me know what you think. It's not a real spiffy looking site yet but it serves the purpose. It'll get fancier later!
Tim Wescott - 03 Oct 2005 18:26 GMT
> Jim,
>  
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>      
>      
What _I'd_ like to see is kv, resistance, no-load current, and maximum
power dissipation for each motor.  Then I could just plug the numbers
into a spread sheet with some of the motor sizing equations that are out
there and be almost done.

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Philip Rawson - 03 Oct 2005 13:02 GMT
I couldn't find any contact details for you on the site... this is a major
oversight.

I don't order from companies that don't have an address and phone no. on
their website.

Other than that, some useful stats and test results on the motors would be
nice.
Ron van Sommeren - 03 Oct 2005 15:52 GMT
Jim,

Nice job :-) I added http://www.flyhurricane.com/ to this list of outrunner
manufacturers:
http://www.rclineforum.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=43664&sid=

Vriendelijke groeten ;-) Ron van Sommeren
near Nijmegen, the Netherllands
http://home.hetnet.nl/~ronvans/
John F. Hughes - 04 Oct 2005 13:06 GMT
> Jim,
>
> Nice job :-) I added http://www.flyhurricane.com/ to this list of outrunner
> manufacturers:
> http://www.rclineforum.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=43664&sid=

I guess it *is* an OK job on he website. But the one thing I looked
at -- LiPo batteries -- wasn't worth buying from them. All
were all  priced substantially higher than at allerc.com --
higher enough that even if I were ordering other things from hurricane
and could benefit from one-package shipping, I'd still be better off
ordering them from allerc.

For example, hurricane has a an own-brand 900mAh 2s pack for 30.28; AllERC
has a polyquest 850 with individual cell-taps for 17.96. Hurriane has
3s 1600 for  57.42; AllERC has the ETEC 3s 1700 for 47.95.

AT $10 - $13 difference (and getting the individual balancing-taps, too, at
least on the smaller one), I know where I'd shop...

--John
Tim Wescott - 04 Oct 2005 05:01 GMT
> After many months of work developing my new product line, getting
> prototypes made and perfected, selecting the "color" of the anodizing,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>  
>  
Well, now that I have my broadband back I can say that it's very nice --
but you should still do something for the folks that don't have it.

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Jim Slaughter - 04 Oct 2005 06:26 GMT
Tim,
I have forwarded your comments to my web site developer. Thanks!

Jim

>> After many months of work developing my new product line, getting
>> prototypes made and perfected, selecting the "color" of the anodizing,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Well, now that I have my broadband back I can say that it's very nice --
> but you should still do something for the folks that don't have it.
Chuck  Jones - 04 Oct 2005 10:18 GMT
Something still isn't Kosher!  I have broadband and it still takes forever
to load.  Even though Hobby-Lobby and others pop up in seconds.

And I notice Bob still hasn't provided us with his URL so we can see an
example of what it should be like!

> Tim,
> I have forwarded your comments to my web site developer. Thanks!
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>> Well, now that I have my broadband back I can say that it's very nice --
>> but you should still do something for the folks that don't have it.
Jim Slaughter - 05 Oct 2005 03:19 GMT
I'm not sure what problem you're having with the site. It's fast as can be
for everyone else I've talked to...and for me. I'm on DSL which isn't as
fast as some of the broadband out there. hmmm.

> Something still isn't Kosher!  I have broadband and it still takes forever
> to load.  Even though Hobby-Lobby and others pop up in seconds.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>> Well, now that I have my broadband back I can say that it's very nice --
>>> but you should still do something for the folks that don't have it.
Fubar of The HillPeople - 05 Oct 2005 04:26 GMT
Yeah, I dunno. Title page comes up for me in about 3 seconds. I have
broadband.

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> I'm not sure what problem you're having with the site. It's fast as can be
> for everyone else I've talked to...and for me. I'm on DSL which isn't as
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>>> nice --
>>>> but you should still do something for the folks that don't have it.
Chuck  Jones - 05 Oct 2005 10:09 GMT
I don't know either.  Haven't had time or inclination to really check it
out.  I suspect it's something to do with my firewall but............. I
just tried it again and it's still the same thing.  The cloud background
pops up easily but the rest is very slow in coming.  The progress bar has
made it about half way as I typed this and seems stalled now.

> I'm not sure what problem you're having with the site. It's fast as can be
> for everyone else I've talked to...and for me. I'm on DSL which isn't as
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>>> nice --
>>>> but you should still do something for the folks that don't have it.
Chuck  Jones - 05 Oct 2005 20:20 GMT
Jim,

I finally did a little playing with my firewall.  It was blocking your
mobile code.  Once I allowed that from your URL everything was fine.

I've been meaning to ask someone this and since your site is geared to
electric I'll start with you.  I have an old Bob Holman P-51D kit still in
box.  Glass fuselage and foam wings.  Originally intended for a 61-90
2stroke and a weight of around 11 pounds.  I don't have the wing area off
hand but it's 69".  It's based on the Bryan Taylor plans.

I'd like to build it as an electric.  Retracts, flaps and all.  Any idea
what electric motor I should go with?

Thanks

> I'm not sure what problem you're having with the site. It's fast as can be
> for everyone else I've talked to...and for me. I'm on DSL which isn't as
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>>> nice --
>>>> but you should still do something for the folks that don't have it.
Paul McIntosh - 05 Oct 2005 05:52 GMT
It loaded instantly once and took about 4 seconds once.  4 seconds with 5meg
broadband is an eternity!

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> Something still isn't Kosher!  I have broadband and it still takes forever
> to load.  Even though Hobby-Lobby and others pop up in seconds.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>> Well, now that I have my broadband back I can say that it's very nice --
>>> but you should still do something for the folks that don't have it.
Chuck  Jones - 05 Oct 2005 10:11 GMT
Nope!  Been waiting for about 4 times 60 seconds just now.  Nothing but the
clouds!  Though those are nice! :)

I figure it's probably my firewall having something locked down too tight.
I just haven't had the time to check it out.

> It loaded instantly once and took about 4 seconds once.  4 seconds with
> 5meg broadband is an eternity!
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>>>> nice --
>>>> but you should still do something for the folks that don't have it.
wrightknuckles - 05 Oct 2005 14:36 GMT
Jim Slaughter Wrote:
> After many months of work developing my new product line, gettin
> prototypes made and perfected, selecting the "color" of the anodizing
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> not a real spiffy looking site yet but it serves the purpose. It'll ge
> fancier later!

Jim,
FWIW, I've built a few websites, including e-commerce sites, and jus
an FYI as a rule of thumb, "Splash Pages" ("click here to enter
whether in Flash or not) are best used for personal stylized website
only-not e-commerce...such as a site used to show off your persona
artwork, family photos etc, etc.

It does create a "jump thru the hoop" effect and while it definatel
looks cool, it is generally unpopular with visitors who come to bu
something and do not want to wait to be entertained. In addition i
places your vistors yet another click away from your site which wil
ultimately lower your click-through rates. People are lazy...save the
the extra click and wait time and ditch the splash page.

Also, as a rule of thumb, all but the smallest, innocuous animation
are usually looked upon as distractions and annoyances...and "cheez
up" your site with an amateur look. I see you're not using any on th
main site...a plus.

And don't even THINK of using a background sound, whether the hate
Midi or Mp3-regardless of the sound being played. This is without
doubt, the #1 page annoyance on ANY website. This will make peopl
leave quicker than you can blink.

Unfortunately, many web designers implement impressive and flashy sit
"features" simply because they can....however, often times they have n
real benefit to the functionality or usability of the site and onl
serve to increase page load times and to annoy and distract visitors.

FYI, your "TOP" button takes you all the way back to the spas
page...it should return visitors to the "home" (Catalog) page.

Contact information is an absolute MUST with an e-commerce site. Befor
people give you their CC info, they want to know at least what stat
you're in....I'd create one ASAP.

Preferrably, create an "About Us" page, with a bit of info (and pics
about you, your company, it's employees, your products, etc, etc. mak
it warm and personable.
Just stay away from the cheezy, cookie-cutter, corporate mumbo-jumbo
"Mission Statement" crap. Every "Mission Statement" I've ever read al
sound the same and just sounds like BS to me anyway....trust me, don'
insult your visitors intelligence by using one.

Good luck with your new site, hope you do well

--
wrightknuckle
Tim Wescott - 05 Oct 2005 16:54 GMT
> Jim Slaughter Wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>
> Good luck with your new site, hope you do well!

The corporate mission is "separate the customer from his money".  Even
mine is close: "make the customer happy to part from his money".

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Jim Slaughter - 06 Oct 2005 06:38 GMT
:-)  Well put Tim. We're not quite that clinical but it is an important
ingredient if we are to stay in business!

>> Jim Slaughter Wrote:
>>>After many months of work developing my new product line, getting
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
> The corporate mission is "separate the customer from his money".  Even
> mine is close: "make the customer happy to part from his money".
Jim Slaughter - 06 Oct 2005 06:43 GMT
We take everyone's comments seriously. We've worked on the web site as a result of your comments. Try it again! Here's what we've done:

Modified the splash page. The old page totaled 68K and a visitor had to wait until it was entirely downloaded before they could enter the shop. The new page totals 37K and the link to enter the store is visible almost instantly because it's a plain HTML link. There's no longer any need to wait for background images or Flash to load. An impatient dialup user will first just see "ENTER" in the middle of a blank white page. He can click it right away if he wants. If he waits a moment, the clouds and the logo will appear. we're already aware that the product thumbnails take too long to appear on dialup connections and that we're addressing the issue.
 After many months of work developing my new product line, getting prototypes made and perfected, selecting the "color" of the anodizing, coordinating the manufacturing, etc. etc. etc.  our company is finally launched!

 Please visit www.flyhurricane.com and let me know what you think. It's not a real spiffy looking site yet but it serves the purpose. It'll get fancier later!
Bob Cowell - 06 Oct 2005 13:30 GMT
why not lose the splash screen entirely?
it only took 90 seconds to load on dialup
and serves NO purpose other than to force the visitor to wait and then jump
through yet another hoop to enter the site

>We take everyone's comments seriously. We've worked on the web site as a result of your comments. Try it again! Here's what we've done:
>
>Modified the splash page. The old page totaled 68K and a visitor had to wait until it was entirely downloaded before they could enter the shop. The new page totals 37K and the link to enter the store is visible almost instantly because it's a plain HTML link. There's no longer any need to wait for background images or Flash to load. An impatient dialup user will first just see "ENTER" in the middle of a blank white page. He can click it right away if he wants. If he waits a moment, the clouds and the logo will appear. we're already aware that the product thumbnails take too long to appear on dialup connections and that we're addressing the issue.
>  After many months of work developing my new product line, getting prototypes made and perfected, selecting the "color" of the anodizing, coordinating the manufacturing, etc. etc. etc.  our company is finally launched!
>
>  Please visit www.flyhurricane.com and let me know what you think. It's not a real spiffy looking site yet but it serves the purpose. It'll get fancier later!
wrightknuckles - 06 Oct 2005 15:20 GMT
Hi Jim,

Your load time on the splash page has improved. and now gives users th
option to skip the flash and "enter" the site...but it's still a splas
page...

Studies have shown that most surfers lose interest after about 1
seconds of waiting regardless of their connection speed.....

FWIW, heres a few links that may help you along with the desig
process...

A QUOTE FROM WWW.WEBPAGESTHATSUCK.COM (ACTUALLY A VERY HELPFUL SITE)
"When people arrive at your site it's because they've made
commitment. They've clicked a link or an ad and now they are at you
site so foreplay isn't necessary. Let them in your site. On the othe
hand, foreplay is necessary when you buy ads on other sites. This i
when you have to seduce people to come to your site. "

http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/biggest-web-design-mistakes-in-2004.html

AND ANOTHER STRAIGHTFORWARD QUOTE REGARDING THE USE OF SPLAS
SCREENS/INTROS
"Despite such good intentions, most of the Flash that Web user
encounter each day is bad Flash with no purpose beyond annoying people
The one bright point is that splash screens and Flash intros are almos
extinct. They are so bad that even the most clueless Web designer
won't recommend them, even though a few (even more clueless) client
continue to request them."
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html

Google a search for the term "web design do's and don'ts" and you'l
get plenty of info and tips.

Good luck

--
wrightknuckle
wrightknuckles - 06 Oct 2005 15:48 GMT
Jim,
I just had a thought:
Obviously you really like the splash animation itself (especially so
since I'm guessing you paid someone to have it designed)  ;)  Actually
I do to, it's neat and clean...but I've given you my opinion about th
use of splash pages on an e-commerce site already...

So how about this:
Loose the splash page entirely, take your flash animation (the risin
Fly Hurricane Logo on your splash page), resize it and replace you
main site gif logo (230 x 60 pixels) on the main page (at the top left
with a same-dimension (230 x 60 ) flash animation. It will be very smal
in file size.

Once it's loaded into the browser's cache the very first time the flas
animation is loaded, there is no additional load time for subsequen
displays. You can have the animation refresh and load up upon each pag
that's loaded. The animation action in the flash logo is subtle an
isn't too distracting so cycling it each page that loads shouldn't be
major problem.

Just my 2 cents..

--
wrightknuckle
Jim Slaughter - 06 Oct 2005 18:26 GMT
Thanks again! Your comments are right on. I do appreciate it. I'll pass the
suggestion along.

Jim

> Jim,
> I just had a thought:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Just my 2 cents...
Paul McIntosh - 07 Oct 2005 13:58 GMT
When using a heavily PHP run shopping cart it is a good way to get search
engine optimisation.  If it took 90 seconds on your dial up I would check
your settings because it is a tiny file and should only take 4-5 seconds at
most.

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>
> why not lose the splash screen entirely?
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>> not a real spiffy looking site yet but it serves the purpose. It'll get
>> fancier later!
Paul McIntosh - 07 Oct 2005 13:56 GMT
Jim,

There is an excellent program called Advanced Batch Converter that will resize (and rescan) images in batches to a standard size that you designate.  It is great for pictures in web sites because you can make them al the same size and type at one time.

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RC-Bearings.com
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 We take everyone's comments seriously. We've worked on the web site as a result of your comments. Try it again! Here's what we've done:

 Modified the splash page. The old page totaled 68K and a visitor had to wait until it was entirely downloaded before they could enter the shop. The new page totals 37K and the link to enter the store is visible almost instantly because it's a plain HTML link. There's no longer any need to wait for background images or Flash to load. An impatient dialup user will first just see "ENTER" in the middle of a blank white page. He can click it right away if he wants. If he waits a moment, the clouds and the logo will appear. we're already aware that the product thumbnails take too long to appear on dialup connections and that we're addressing the issue.
   "Jim Slaughter" <jim@slaughter.org> wrote in message news:t9%%e.7033$JY6.5949@trnddc02...
   After many months of work developing my new product line, getting prototypes made and perfected, selecting the "color" of the anodizing, coordinating the manufacturing, etc. etc. etc.  our company is finally launched!

   Please visit www.flyhurricane.com and let me know what you think. It's not a real spiffy looking site yet but it serves the purpose. It'll get fancier later!
 
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