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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / February 2006A Long Hello...Again
I am back. I have been negligent with my modeling ("Father, forgive me for I have sinned...") but, you see, we had this storm down here in Picayune, MS, and the model shop got hit by a carport and it almost got knocked off its 45" high supports. The carport was wiped out by the tree that fell on it...pushing it into the shop. That tree fell because its roots were upset by the three oak trees that fell on the house, busting through the roof, rafters, ceiling joists, and the like...and sheet rock ceilings in a few places. All in all, it has been a rather distracting (and exhausting five months). The shop is still teetering and I can't use it. A very religious man (he keeps telling me) continues to lie to me about why he hasn't gotten here yet. I have a week of chain sawing to do, but right now I don't dare jar the ground with said shop doing the aforementioned teetering. I left this group a while back because I had a book I needed to finish and that is in print now. But I wanted to get back up to speed model wise and I thought this would be a good place to start. I did download 4,000 most recent titles on this group and I read many of them. I learned for one thing that I am not needed here. (Probably never was.) There are many of you giving and getting superb advice and I would only cloud the waters with obtuse observations, tangent-seeking comments, or be argumentative. <g> I did see that people still hate (or worse) the AMA, people still need chargers, power supplies, and questions about batteries abound and Red continues to wow me with his knowledge. Fellows, this is all rather humbling, actually. I have been playing with toy airplanes some. I mean TOY airplanes. I stick a transmitter in my pocket when I take our little dog for her walk and at a vacant lot on the walk, I toss one of the little rudder-onlys into the air and run the battery down. As I walk to the next clearing...we have some new ones since the storm...I swap out the batteries and toss the toy again and run that battery down. Did you know that on one charge it will fly 1/3 of a mile? If I get another battery, I can fly it the whole mile around. Being foam and 9" diameter, the toy airplane is no bother to carry. And then there are the silly little helicopters for indoors. I can make it from the kitchen around the corner through the den, between wife and TV, and back through the posts in the bar and around the kitchen again. I can't make a second lap on a battery charge because it won't clear the two 6" steps going into the den. "Silly"...is the operative word here. <g> But maybe that is what modeling was supposed to be. It was once...a light-hearted distraction from our weekly chores. This was before we lost our sense of frivolity and became so serious. I do have two model projects I owe to one of the last model magazines. Someday I will start putting ink to mylar and...someday. I always considered that I was primarily comic relief here so in keeping with that role, I would like to invite you all to visit my just-released image website. It has no commercials and operates smoothly. So...if you would like to know what I have been doing (not much) and make fun of my models, me, whatever.... The model aircraft images are in two parts, "1962 to 1990" (retired) and "1990 to present." There are some images of sailboats, as well. You can ignore the musical instruments if you would like...but for real, rolling in the floor comedy, you might check out the part about the ukes and Flukes. It is nice to be back...actually, it is sorta' nice to be anywhere. Cheers -- Ken Cashion http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ <snip> . > I did download 4,000 most recent titles on this group and I > read many of them. I learned for one thing that I am not needed here. > (Probably never was.) There are many of you giving and getting superb > advice - > Cheers -- Ken Cashion > http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ <snip> Nonsense Ken. Go back and reply with your own thoughts on every one of those posts! Welcome back Ken mk ><snip> >. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Welcome back Ken >mk Thanks, and as for commenting to them all...well, I might just... <g> I had to resist some though. I wonder if many of you know that as an AMA member, after the hurricane, I got a phone call from headquarters asking me if I needed any help. Some AMA members were directed to temporary homes with other members...members they had never met. I know one such fellow in Texas who took in a displaced AMA family. I don't remember seeing this sort of "service" mentioned during the 46 years or so that I have been a member. I was quite moved by it. The local club lost their facilities (storm) but there are three of us flying our e-models at a little park north of me. It is OK, as long as we dodge the downed trees. I have hit trees before but they were always standing and then stepped over in front of my model. I have never hit a big horizontal pine before.. <g> On my image site, their are some pictures of this little park where I have flown my Lil" E-Cumulus et al. (Pictures are pre-hurricane.) <g> Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ > I am back. > I have been negligent with my modeling ("Father, forgive me [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > Cheers -- Ken Cashion > http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ Whatcha writing? I'm redlining the 1st proof of my very first published book, hopefully I'll get it sent off to the publisher today.  SignatureTim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com >> I am back. <big snip of doggerel here> >> It is nice to be back...actually, it is sorta' nice to be >> anywhere. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Whatcha writing? I completed "Ball Turret Gunner -- Weather Bad/Flak Heavy." It is the story of a particular crew and B-17 flying at the end of WWII with the 34th Bomb Group. I had to cover a few more subjects, but it is quite authentic. I had the gunner's and navigator's flight logs and the like. I am rather proud of it and have gotten some nice feedback from folks. But I agree with the Good Doctor Samuel Johnson who said that nobody but a blockhead writes for anything but money. <g> I have four others in galley form now and will be unleashing these on the public this year. > I'm redlining the 1st proof of my very first published >book, hopefully I'll get it sent off to the publisher today. Well, good for you, Tim...and yours is about? What publisher are you using? Books are being done many different ways today. Ken Cashion http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ >>> I am back. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > But I agree with the Good Doctor Samuel Johnson who said that > nobody but a blockhead writes for anything but money. <g> Uh oh, I'm in trouble. > I have four others in galley form now and will be unleashing > these on the public this year. So, you must, like, do this for a living. >>I'm redlining the 1st proof of my very first published >>book, hopefully I'll get it sent off to the publisher today. > > Well, good for you, Tim...and yours is about? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems", or everything that you didn't bother learning in school about making motors work because you were going to be a programmer -- and now 90% of the software jobs involve telling motors what to do. I doubt that it will pay for itself in royalties, but it's part and parcel of marketing my company, and I'll be giving seminars (hopefully) starting next year. > What publisher are you using? Elsevier. So far it's been very positive. > Books are being done many different ways today. This one is almost all electronic -- I sent the whole manuscript over email, the proof sheets obviously came out of a laser printer. I think they have me marking up real dead trees is so I can't touch their nice formatting. I keep telling my editor that I'm saving all the really extensive edits for the galley proof -- so far she hasn't seen the humor, for some reason. > Ken Cashion > http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ SignatureTim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com >>>> I am back. >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >So, you must, like, do this for a living. I didn't say I was doing it for a living. <g> I just said I was doing it for money. I did write for a living once...when I worked for Old-NASA. I wrote tech papers and was paid well for it. Then the last three years before I retired, I wrote science- fiction for Neo-NASA. <g> >>>I'm redlining the 1st proof of my very first published >>>book, hopefully I'll get it sent off to the publisher today. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >were going to be a programmer -- and now 90% of the software jobs >involve telling motors what to do. Well done, Tim. Tech writing is fun. I have done a bunch of that. >I doubt that it will pay for itself in royalties, but it's part and >parcel of marketing my company, and I'll be giving seminars (hopefully) >starting next year. Hey, these multi-billion dollar empires have to begin somewhere. >> What publisher are you using? > >Elsevier. So far it's been very positive. Good one for tech work. I found them when I was looking for an outlet for my treatise on "Neolithic Farming and Megalithic Monuments." (Yeah, I know that sounds like a joke but it is serious work, fellows.) >> Books are being done many different ways today. > >This one is almost all electronic -- I sent the whole manuscript over >email, the proof sheets obviously came out of a laser printer. I think >they have me marking up real dead trees is so I can't touch their nice >formatting. We got up one morning at the end of August and had a lot of paper pulp trees down just waiting to be scooped up...so use all the paper you want. I can pop a CD in the mail with a couple of pdf's and a book happens. One pdf is the cover. I like controlling the images and captions. The files could go out over the wire but I like to have something in my hands at some point. >I keep telling my editor that I'm saving all the really extensive edits >for the galley proof -- so far she hasn't seen the humor, for some reason. Maybe you are not her first author? <g> Ken Cashion http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ -snip- >>So, you must, like, do this for a living. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > fiction for Neo-NASA. <g> > -snip- I tell people "when I was growing up I dreamed of being a science fiction writer -- now I write technical specifications". Usually it's only the engineers and tech writers who get the joke. Y'know, if you dig around the edges of NASA you'll see that the part that used to be NACA is still there, and it seems to still be doing good, solid NACA sort of work -- they're designing new airfoils, and new methods of designing airfoils, they're coming up with wingtip designs and other induced-drag reduction techniques, and all sorts of other cool big-science stuff applied to air transport. The 'S' in NASA is what's suffering -- but when you get right down to it the whole reason for the space race was to cow the Russians into submission -- or at least less aggression. Since the wall has come down space travel has been (unfortunately) just meaningless reverberations from Kennedy's call for a moon landing. I think that's a tragedy, but I also think that we're the Lief Ericsons of space travel -- it's a good idea, but we need to wait a few hundred years before the _real_ explorers start successfully poking around. SignatureTim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com <snips> >> I did write for a living once...when I worked for Old-NASA. I >> wrote tech papers and was paid well for it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >fiction writer -- now I write technical specifications". Usually it's >only the engineers and tech writers who get the joke. Yeah...I got it. <g> One of the last things I did with Neo-NASA was represent our center at a big meeting and we were to generate a listing and approaches for the new NASA technologies for the next 25 years. I had my section and we were just cranking away and at the end, during open session each team leader had to summarize. They thought mine was accurate. I told them that all this week while I was trying to think ahead in the future for NASA, I was phoning NASA headquarters repeatedly trying to get enough money to pay this quarter's Lear Jet fuel bill. (I was Aircraft Mission Manager for our remote sensing aircraft.) It turned out that each team had people leaving the meetings over and over checking on how much money was coming in on yet another continuing resolution budget. <g> >Y'know, if you dig around the edges of NASA you'll see that the part >that used to be NACA is still there, and it seems to still be doing >good, solid NACA sort of work -- they're designing new airfoils, and new >methods of designing airfoils, they're coming up with wingtip designs >and other induced-drag reduction techniques, and all sorts of other cool >big-science stuff applied to air transport. We have the capability to do many things but they are not around NASA...but yes, there are little enclaves of engineers who have been sorta' forgotten and they still crank out good work. A couple of new, junior-grade managers with no engineering experience but proper social credentials will find them eventually and "fix" them. <g> >The 'S' in NASA is what's suffering -- but when you get right down to it >the whole reason for the space race was to cow the Russians into >submission -- or at least less aggression. Not exactly. We didn't want to get too far behind them in space...our economy just out-matched them. And in the end, we were relying on their functional space station and coming home by parachute...like in the Mercury days. > Since the wall has come down >space travel has been (unfortunately) just meaningless reverberations >from Kennedy's call for a moon landing. Bush gave one little shot at it with talk of a Martian lander and all he did was mislead Neo-NASA management and they in turn further screwed up the budget. Good management would have suggested that congress identify money to that end. >I think that's a tragedy, but I >also think that we're the Lief Ericsons of space travel -- it's a good >idea, but we need to wait a few hundred years before the _real_ >explorers start successfully poking around. What hope do I have for NASA and the exploration of space? None...zip...nada... Neo-NASA can only celebrate the accomplishments of Old-NASA, but they cannot aspire to do what we did with slide rules. (A little personal observation, there. <g>) And as for the last the "A" -- Burt Rutan has repeatedly demonstrated that Neo-NASA is top-heavy with managers with no engineering background...in an engineering administration, yet. Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ > <snips> > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > Ken > http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ Ken, unfortunately you are right. I had the distinct displeasure for working as a computer systems contractor at a NASA site around the time of the Challenger, and it was unbelievable the. Common business safeties were not in place, used, or thought about in major heavy computer systems I was responsible for. I found the mindset incomprehensible and unworthy of my lowly efforts. <snip of mostly my stuff> >> What hope do I have for NASA and the exploration of space? >> None...zip...nada... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >responsible for. I found the mindset incomprehensible and unworthy of my >lowly efforts. Engineers by nature think they can fix everything. It doesn't matter if the problem is mechanical, electrical, pneumatic, biological social, cultural, they believe they can fix it. <g> But there are two things I know about for which I cannot imagine a solution. Even with dictatorial powers, I wouldn't know where to start. Congress is the biggest problem but the problem can't even be discussed in our present repressed society. As an engineering organization NASA has now failed and should be eliminated. But even that cannot be done. The bad pieces would just resurface in other forms with other badges on their chests. As a social experiment, NASA is a success...but they are killing people. NASA will soon stay in the "return to flight" mode, I am afraid. I went to work for Old-NASA and there we talked to the stars and walked on the moon. I retired from Neo-NASA...they just plan a lot and go in low circles...and not to well. Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ I certainly enjoyed looking at your planes. And as for me, I am still writing my one and only great american novel....however, in the meantime, I note that you do mostly electrics. I don't do electrics, but plenty of glow stuff. If you are in need, I will be happy to try to find something you can use...as for me, I really have more than I need. You should contact me off this list. Frank Schwartz AMA123 in Hendersonville, TN mfsjr2@bellsouth.net >I certainly enjoyed looking at your planes. Thank you. > And as for me, I am still >writing my one and only great american novel.... Keep plugging away, Frank. Good writers are going away at the same rate as good readers, but a good book can make a reader out of a lot of people. I don't think I have a fictional piece in me. One might appear that way after I hide the names and places but I would still worry about someone popping up with a writ in hand saying, "My son died of a heart attack...NOT as a result of AIDS." "Well, Mam, I have a letter right here from your son's lover and he tells how your son died in his arms...from a heart attack." >however, in the >meantime, I note that you do mostly electrics. I simply got tired of the noise, the grease, the cleanup, the messy repairs, and the general field bother. But some of my favorite memories are from converting an Arden .09 to glow and actually having engines run for a change. I have some favorite engines that I would like to put on something just because they have given me so much fun...but then I would have fuel on my hands, and transmitter, and the noise... <g> >I don't do electrics, (yet) <g> >but plenty of glow stuff. If you are in need, I will be happy to try >to find something you can use...as for me, I really have more than I >need. Frank, that is very gracious of you -- and thank you, but I, too, have more than I need. I got Max's everywhere. I really ought to clean them up and see if I can get them on eBay so someone can enjoy them. I am believer in eBay. I have sold bunches of stuff there; and bought an equal amount. Once Frank, I had 43 auctions coming due in the same week! That was one of the dumbest things I have ever done. I had OFBs coming out to the woodwork writing me these cryptic little notes..."Ah-h-h-h...Ken, I see the model things you are selling on eBay...and it worries me. Are you OK?" Isn't that nice? They were concerned -- or looking for a good deal -- I prefer to think concerned. <g> Ken Cashion http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ >>I certainly enjoyed looking at your planes. > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Ken Cashion > http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ I too am a writer - of sorts. I had no idea that Frank was a writer too. Veddy Interesting...<G> I am beginning to appreciate electrics for the same reasons as you, Ken. Less work, less gook, you can use any paint that pleases you, etc. Not hearing an engine running is not a big loss. In fact, it can be downright relaxing. Ed Cregger Ed..and everyone... Well you could call me a writer. I had many articles in the old Grid Leaks, a few in MAN (60's and 70"s) and also Scale R/C Modeler... and I was R/C editor for Model Builder from about 1976 to 1979. I also wrote a club newsletter that was more widely circulated than I suspected and got in trouble with John Maloney of World Engines for giving his radio, the Blue Max, the emphatic thumbs down... The truth was really that the Blue Max was not a very good radio, in fact, in my opinion, it was trash...but it had nice stick assemblies. Frank Schwartz >Ed..and everyone... >Well you could call me a writer. >I had many articles in the old Grid Leaks, a few in MAN (60's and >70"s) and also Scale R/C Modeler... Grid Leaks? GRID LEAKS? My heavens, Frank. I tell people that I am older than some rocks...you must be older than all rocks. <g> >and I was R/C editor for Model Builder from about 1976 to 1979. You must be proud to have written for one of the oldest (Grid Leaks) and one of the best (MB). I wonder if most of the fliers here know how much of our hobby started in Grid Leaks. >I also wrote a club newsletter that was more widely circulated than I >suspected and got in trouble with John Maloney of World Engines for >giving his radio, the Blue Max, the emphatic thumbs down... >The truth was really that the Blue Max was not a very good radio, in >fact, in my opinion, it was trash...but it had nice stick assemblies. Now I learn this! I thought all those crashes were from bad batteries. I had a Blue Max and other World Engine radios but back then our choices were EK, Kraft, and what? Proline? (Ace came along later, I believe.) World Engines got a lot of fliers in the air who could not afford anything else...I started flying with Controlaire and I still have a Mule xmitter that I swear I will put good electronics in one of these days. I love rudder only. But then...I am older than some rocks. Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ > Now I learn this! I thought all those crashes were from bad > batteries. I had a Blue Max and other World Engine radios but back > then our choices were EK, Kraft, and what? Proline? (Ace came along > later, I believe.) Went from a Citizenship that gave illusion of actually controlling a plane to a Heathkit. Full control at last. Krafts were pretty spendy, but did have some of those Blue Tx that I got for free: they had survived a house fire, and were only slightly scorched. Should not have tried to re-use them, but I put the flaky performance from being smoke damaged. Did have one of their Expert in the tan box, and that worked pretty well. Was EK stuff Red? Used to be each had their own colors, like Black MRC, Yellow Kraft, Red Ace, Ivory for Proline, as since they were in similar shaped vinyl covered boxes, and time passing by, lets me recall colors, but not the names any longer. Had good luck with the MRC TX, though flight packs were barely adequate. Noticed that MRC used Futaba TX guts, and decided to try that next Tan colored Japanese radio- and that they were a bit cheaper $$$ wise didn't hurt, either Finally a radio you didn't have to dick with retuning all the time. Other than keeping the Batteries up, they were fine performers, the first ones that really had better than the heathkit servos, in being reliable, powerful while having a decent rotation speed and little buzzing or jitters. That those S-7 or 12(IIRC) were 2/3rds the size and weight was an added bonus, and you could buy them for almost the price of a kit servo from the others. Did miss not having the linear arms on the servos, as well as the wheel on the center though, and no scratchy feedback pots. ** mike ** >> Now I learn this! I thought all those crashes were from bad >> batteries. I had a Blue Max and other World Engine radios but back [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > mike > ** Ah, come on now. No way you could have forgotten Orbit and Micro Avionics. Much more popular than Citizenship in the proportional age. But does anyone remember SLS? They came along in the early Seventies, IIRC. Frankly, our Blue Max worked just fine. No problems with lots of flights on it. Until I shredded it through a stand of trees. That's what happens when you fly on the coldest day of Winter with the flu. I was sweating so badly from fever that I was delirious. Of course, some folks claim that was my normal state. The really bad thing was that it was my wife's radio and plane. Both nearly new. I was demonstrating R/C for a friend that had driven across several states to see one fly. The radio was dangling by its components. Fortunately, the Club's president's kids climbed the tree and recovered all of the components. The model was rebuilt and flew again. A Falcon 56. To this day I can still recall the sound of the Monokote impacting those bare tree branches. What a sound. Were the first MRC radios made by Futaba? I know later MRC rigs were. They were nice rigs. I was a loyal Orbit/Micro Avionics fan. Why? Because I couldn't afford Kraft or Pro-Line in those days. We only had two Dupont incomes then. Remember how expensive radios were back then? They were all hand built in America. Or nearly all of them were. Ed Cregger, NM2K >> Now I learn this! I thought all those crashes were from bad >>batteries. I had a Blue Max and other World Engine radios but back [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > mike > ** My most recent plane is a little AT-6 ARF. The cash flow was at a low ebb when I built it, so I went dumpster diving in my old parts bin and came up with an OS MAX .25 (_not_ an LA of FX or GP or anything else, just OS MAX), three Heathkit servos and one Kraft servo. It flies just fine. SignatureTim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com <snip of stuff> >My most recent plane is a little AT-6 ARF. The cash flow was at a low >ebb when I built it, so I went dumpster diving in my old parts bin and >came up with an OS MAX .25 (_not_ an LA of FX or GP or anything else, >just OS MAX), three Heathkit servos and one Kraft servo. > >It flies just fine. You are a man after my own heart. I am flying some stuff with Bantam servos. I would be using the old World stuff if I had a legal four-wire servo receiver. <g> Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ > <snip of stuff> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Ken > http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ IIRC that 4th wire is just 2.4V, brought out from a center tap on the battery pack. If you _really_ wanted to dink with things you could make a harness that would let you adapt them. I keep thinking about making a digital servo amplifier to retrofit into all my old servos -- that would also fix the 4-wire problem. SignatureTim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com >> <snip of stuff> >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I keep thinking about making a digital servo amplifier to retrofit into > all my old servos -- that would also fix the 4-wire problem. Remember EK's Mexican made outfits that had all of the servo amps in the receiver case? Ed Cregger >>><snip of stuff> >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Ed Cregger Only vaguely, from ads. I wasn't old enough to drive myself to the flying field until 1978, by which time I had built a transmitter, two receivers and a bunch of servos from kits (Heathkit and Ace), and taught myself how to fly (and repair). When I did start flying from a 'real' field it was a glider field (at Blue Lake Park outside of Troutdale, OR) -- those folks weren't into comparing radios, they wanted to _fly_. SignatureTim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com >> Now I learn this! I thought all those crashes were from bad >> batteries. I had a Blue Max and other World Engine radios but back [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Went from a Citizenship that gave illusion of actually controlling >a plane to a Heathkit. Funny... > Full control at last. Krafts were pretty spendy, >but did have some of those Blue Tx that I got for free: they had [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Was EK stuff Red? Yes, and had a questionable reputation. Mostly if the honcho liked you and you won with his stuff, you got good service; if just a kid with some bad luck, he would sell you something newer. I remember flying against him and he felt he should have been a real whiz flying since he had his own company. Most of us realized that being a good business man doesn't make you a good flier...he put some unreal pressure on himself. One time he was beaten in scale and he came to each flier asking them to sign a petition to disqualify the guy who beat him. He wanted him disqualified because his ASW-15 had a yellow fuselage. I told him that I knew for a fact that he got zinged a bunch of points in static judging for the yellow fuselage but he simply out flew the other guys...meaning him. He said that a yellow ASW-15 should have never been permitted to compete. He was flying a really, gosh-awful big German kit that was more than he could handle. We thought it funny when some of the EKs...(Elliot - Krause?) were being made in Mexico. I am sure all their servos were for a long time. We considered that very unpatriotic and gave Elliot heck over it. And now.... <g> >Used to be each had their own colors, like >Black MRC, Yellow Kraft, Red Ace, Ivory for Proline, as [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >the size and weight was an added bonus, and you could buy them >for almost the price of a kit servo from the others. I still have a tray of Bantam parts and remember cleaning the wipers and elements...bond paper worked good as a light abrasive surface. I have motors and the like...and still in plastic bag servo kit. >Did miss not having the linear arms on the servos, as well as the wheel >on the center though, and no scratchy feedback pots. I liked the slipping feedback pot shaft that we could reach down the servo arm screw hole with a small Allen wrench or jeweler's screw driver and reset the pot centers while the arms were on the aircraft with the pushrods coupled. The square servo posts worked good coupling to the arms. Good memories, Mike. Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ > Yes, and had a questionable reputation. Mostly if the honcho > liked you and you won with his stuff, you got good service; if just a [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > Ken > http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ I assembled a Heathkit GD-19. My first rig on the "new" 72 MHz band. Later, I built over a dozen Bantam Midget servos and Commander Receivers. Unfortunately, I also assembled a Commander Transmitter with those abominabal plastic open gimbal sticks (D&R). You had to clean the stick pots every weekend or two in order to fly. They used the same CTS servo pots in the D&R sticks. The servos and receivers worked great. Ed Cregger Let's not forget the good old Royals in their blue boxes (until you got the high end custom made Royal Omega in the cream box). Cheers -- \_________Lyman Slack________/ \_______Flying Gators R/C___/ \_____AMA 6430 LM____ / \___Gainesville FL_____/ Visit my Web Site at www.LymanSlack.com > Was EK stuff Red? Used to be each had their own colors, like > Black MRC, Yellow Kraft, Red Ace, Ivory for Proline, as > since they were in similar shaped vinyl covered boxes, and time > passing by, lets me recall colors, but not the names any longer. >Let's not forget the good old Royals in their blue boxes (until you got the >high end custom made Royal Omega in the cream box). I thought I remembered these things...I guess I was one of the bottom-feeders. Owing for house and car, one income check, four kids. I was lucky to have Controlaire and move up to World Engines' single-channel proportional. I had as much fun with that as any system I had. Remember the "little red brick?" This was a EK Logitrol with a single servo and receiver in one box. The Mule was that way but had an exposed receiver board. Proportional rudder (non-Galloping Ghost) was a major step up in my flying. There is a picture of me holding the Mule on a model launch...most likely one of the Nomads. Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ > Ed..and everyone... > Well you could call me a writer. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > fact, in my opinion, it was trash...but it had nice stick assemblies. > Frank Schwartz Better check those pay stubs -- I don't see your name in the February '78 Model Builder. I _do_ see 7 -- yes, two times three plus one, construction articles, however. Compare that to today where a magazine with three construction articles is 'dense'. SignatureTim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com > Ed..and everyone... > Well you could call me a writer. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > fact, in my opinion, it was trash...but it had nice stick assemblies. > Frank Schwartz Ah, now I'm beginning to remember seeing your name before, Frank. Son-of-a-gun! I had a Blue Max rig in 72 or so. It worked okay. We didn't keep it all that long. That whopping 125 mw of broadcast power wasn't exactly awe inspiring. You never know who you're going to wind up talking to on the internet. Ed Cregger >> Ed..and everyone... >> Well you could call me a writer. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Ed Cregger Yeah, Ed, and you never know who is listening (reading). <g> We have lost a lot of people in the last couple of years who made this hobby great. This makes a fellow feel like he hasn't done his share of payback to these people. All we modelers are just their living legacy...whether we recognize it or not. Or care to admit it. <g> That was the main reason I became a CD and started doing contests. I went to contests that others put on and enjoyed myself. I thought I should put on some contests so they could come play at my house. It seemed the considerate thing to do. Ken Cashion http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ >>>I certainly enjoyed looking at your planes. >> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >I am beginning to appreciate electrics for the same reasons as you, Ken. >Less work, less gook, you can use any paint that pleases you, etc. I have so many old glow designs I want to electrify. I still have the plans to my Fred Reese Sopwith Trike (look-a-like). And I have a set of the Ace constant chord foam wings it uses. (There are images of it on my image site.) I would like to put brushless and LiPos in it. It never did anything but wobble through the sky -- yet, it did it in such a cute manner. And with electric motors, multi-engine models are a snap...I always like the ugliness of the He-111s. And they would belly in nice and I wouldn't have to use landing gear. I could have the tires rotate though to ease the landings. Some of them stick out like on the B-17. >Not hearing an engine running is not a big loss. In fact, it can be >downright relaxing. I was at a contest and I was being bothered more and more by the noise. I had put in four test flights on a couple of models and in one event, it was OK to run without mufflers. I started my Max 20 and it had a small prop and lots of nitro and it was loud. Just after I released it, someone not 10' away started a Fox combat engine on one of these duration models and he had open stack, toothpick prop, pressurized nitro system, and honestly, it made the fillings of my teeth hurt. I just cringed in acceptance of the fact that was enough noise for me. <g> Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ > >>>I certainly enjoyed looking at your planes. > >> [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > Ken > http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ I know what you mean about noise. It isn't as though I chose to become this way. It just sort of snuck up on me. Some of the guitar amps I mentioned obtaining are so loud, even at their minimum settings, that I can't stand to use them. (sigh) I am beginning to remember seeing your name too. I just haven't gotten the "click" yet that will fill in the details. There were a few Kens over the years, IIRC. <G> Ed Cregger I think a lot of old time modelers are coming to this conclusion. Electrics open up a lot of modeling opportunities, multi engine, small size, building a Gillows kit again, easy to transport and learning to fly on the wing again rather than the prop. Now what do we do with those giant scale monsters we were so thrilled with a few years ago? Red S. > I am beginning to appreciate electrics for the same reasons as you, Ken. > Less work, less gook, you can use any paint that pleases you, etc. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ed Cregger > I think a lot of old time modelers are coming to this conclusion. Electrics > open up a lot of modeling opportunities, multi engine, small size, building > a Gillows kit again, easy to transport and learning to fly on the wing again > rather than the prop. Now what do we do with those giant scale monsters we > were so thrilled with a few years ago? Convert them to Electric Red... I moved to electric fairly soon after coming back into the hobby...one effort with an overpowered 40 trainer had me back at the LHS for something a little less complicated. That didn't have the potential to kill me if it went out of control, and that I could fly without a 15 mile drive and half an hour packing all the support kit up. Now I've flown most of the smaller types of electric models..and a huge lumbering giant scale has appeal..but as for going back to unreliable engines, flame outs and dead sticks. No way. I reckon I can even scan the sound of a WWI rotary from somewhere and make it sound right too..:-) Somewhere along the line from where I left the hobby and what it was 6 years ago is a change from fun, and challenge, to cash book, club and showing off..electrics have brought the fun back. The advent of the DX6 radio also means that frequency clashes are no longer a reason to congregate around a safety conscious pit area either. It is a different hobby now, but then it was a different hobby from the one I knew as a boy then..so what? > >Now what do we do with those giant scale monsters we > > were so thrilled with a few years ago? > > Convert them to Electric Red... They will still be big, hard to transport, require laborious set up at the field and take up too much space in the hangar. :-( >> >Now what do we do with those giant scale monsters we >> > were so thrilled with a few years ago? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >They will still be big, hard to transport, require laborious set up at the >field and take up too much space in the hangar. :-( Yeah...I forgot about the trailer and stuff. Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ >> I think a lot of old time modelers are coming to this conclusion. Electrics >> open up a lot of modeling opportunities, multi engine, small size, building [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >effort with an overpowered 40 trainer had me back at the LHS for >something a little less complicated. Oh, come on now. We know that no airplane can have too much power. You need all that power to get you out of trouble. Just throttle back. <g> (A little sarcasm, there.) > That didn't have the potential to >kill me if it went out of control, and that I could fly without a 15 >mile drive and half an hour packing all the support kit up. There seems to be less to carry around w/e-flight, doesn't it? I knew a glow flier once that went to the flying field and by the time he set up his flying stand, support box, tie-down screw, and the like...he discovered that he had left the model behind. (Well...it coulda' happened.) >Now I've flown most of the smaller types of electric models..and a huge >lumbering giant scale has appeal..but as for going back to unreliable >engines, flame outs and dead sticks. Wait! All models are supposed to land dead stick. If it still has power, why are you landing? (Says an old glider guider.) > No way. I reckon I can even scan >the sound of a WWI rotary from somewhere and make it sound right too..:-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >The advent of the DX6 radio also means that frequency clashes are no >longer a reason to congregate around a safety conscious pit area either. I find it tiring to finally hook a thermal and get about 1,500' altitude and way, way back over on the other side of the field (behind the divining line) and then have someone come out and point out that I am flying too high and on the wrong side of line. The model is a speck, but I still need to come back. (Why is all the green air behind that line?) The last thing I want when flying power back and forth over the field is to have a glider lolling around there...there might as well be a helicopter hovering out there. When flying gliders, I announce take-off, and immediately climb out of the box and go off somewhere to not trouble the guys going back and forth. >It is a different hobby now, but then it was a different hobby from the >one I knew as a boy then..so what? Things have to change...look at the traffic light...if it didn't change we would all be in trouble. <g> Ken Cashion http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ >I think a lot of old time modelers are coming to this conclusion. Electrics >open up a lot of modeling opportunities, multi engine, small size, building >a Gillows kit again, easy to transport and learning to fly on the wing again >rather than the prop. Now what do we do with those giant scale monsters we >were so thrilled with a few years ago? Re giant scale monsters...wait about five years and electrify them. Use a small linear amp and mp3 player to transmit engine noise from the airplane...there will be plenty of battery power. Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ >> I am beginning to appreciate electrics for the same reasons as you, Ken. >> Less work, less gook, you can use any paint that pleases you, etc. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Ed Cregger > a Gillows kit again, easy to transport and learning to fly on the wing again > rather than the prop. Now what do we do with those giant scale monsters we > were so thrilled with a few years ago? You need them big to see them up in the air, though those parkfliers you can keep within Control Line distances. Got to keep aircraft where they don't look smaller than your thumb when flying them anymore. 7 footers let you get a little further away than a 24 incher while being the same 'size' most important, they sound better with a big 4 stroke 120 up front-- 'real' airplane noise than just prop blades whacking air ** mike ** >> a Gillows kit again, easy to transport and learning to fly on the wing >> again [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > mike > ** I still love my IC powered models. Electrics are a welcome addition for me - not a replacement. Ed Cregger, NM2K >I still love my IC powered models. Electrics are a welcome addition for me - >not a replacement. Something primal about lighting off a 2-smoker and ripping the air to shreds with the sound... Still, electrics are nice in that you toss a couple batteries, your Tx and the model in the truck and go fly. No mess unless you wad up the model. :) Love flying my little 'lectric helo in the warehouse at lunch... >>I still love my IC powered models. Electrics are a welcome addition for me - >>not a replacement. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >and the model in the truck and go fly. No mess unless you wad up the >model. :) Or cook a battery pack...or blow the electolytics in the charger...that made a real mess. I might mention that electric models are inherently more dangerous than IC. I have never had an IC start on the workbench of its own volition and start threshing everything in sight. And batteries seem to spontaneously combust; my fuel has never done that. <g> Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ | Or cook a battery pack...or blow the electolytics in the | charger...that made a real mess. Well, except under the worst conditions, electrics are far less messy than gas/glow :) | I might mention that electric models are inherently more dangerous | than IC. I have never had an IC start on the workbench of its own | volition and start threshing everything in sight. There is much truth to that -- I have more scars from electric motors and props than I do from glow engines and props. (I also have one scar from a non-powered glider, but that's another story entirely.) | And batteries seem to spontaneously combust; my fuel has never | done that. I've never had a battery spontaneously combust -- I have had a few cook, but there was never any flames. And don't put loose AA NiCd/NiMH cells in your pocket, as your keychain can, under just the right conditions, short them out and you'll suddenly have something very warm in your pocket. You'd think I'd learn after about four or five times ... SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com Is the poop deck really what I think it is? --Homer Simpson >| Or cook a battery pack...or blow the electolytics in the >| charger...that made a real mess. > >Well, except under the worst conditions, electrics are far less messy >than gas/glow :) Yep! >| I might mention that electric models are inherently more dangerous >| than IC. I have never had an IC start on the workbench of its own >| volition and start threshing everything in sight. > >There is much truth to that -- I have more scars from electric motors >and props than I do from glow engines and props. And if an IC engine hits you, the second whack is much less and the third whack will stop it. With an electric motor, the current just goes up and the power is still there and it just knocks you out of the way. When I have had an electric motor start out of spite on the work bench, I have the "Search for the Holy Grail" response..."RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!" <g> >(I also have one scar from a non-powered glider, but that's another >story entirely.) Well, maybe you should learn to keep your body parts free of the winch line. I have a scar under a ring. The line hooked under my ring just as some one stepped on the switch. I was lucky. >| And batteries seem to spontaneously combust; my fuel has never >| done that. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >very warm in your pocket. You'd think I'd learn after about four or >five times ... I learned after the first time...and be careful with rings around big cells when soldering tabs on them. The closest I have come to crash and burn was when an ESC failed in the "on" mode and it let a 5-turn cobalt run the 1.7 ah batteries down to zip. I had charred balsa all around the ESC but balsa, being a non-resinous wood, just charred instead of setting itself alight. I had the motor timed pretty far farward and I ruined the armature and had to get that replaced. When it comes to stupid mistakes, I am one of the more imaginative. Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ >>> a Gillows kit again, easy to transport and learning to fly on the wing >>> again [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Ed Cregger, NM2K You have it dead on, Ed. We become parochial in a hurry and when someone suggests something different, we think "instead of" when as real, all round modelers, we should think "in addition to." I frequent an acoustic guitar group and we always say that no one has enough guitars. We want one of every wood, every scale length, neck width, etc. We claim to have an attack of "GAS" -- "Guitar Acquisition Syndrome." Many of us here have "MAC", I guess. <g> I tell you how I finally stopped taking IC to the field. I would take both. I would look in the back of the Buick wagon and see this squadron of models -- maybe seven and I would just start flying. After several trips to the field, I realized that the ICs were spending their time going to and from the shop...I never got around to flying them if I had e-models there. So occasionally I would take just IC models...then more and more seldom. Now, any IC model I have and like, I figure how I am going to electrify it. Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ >>>> a Gillows kit again, easy to transport and learning to fly on the wing >>>> again [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Ken > http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ I understand about GAS. I just finished up a couple year spree with it. I collected many of the Acoustic amps that I used back in the Seventies when playing full time and a few that I wanted, but couldn't afford back then. I also bought a few Fenders and lots of Chinese stuff. Many of the Chinese instruments are nearly as good as the real thing, but at much less cost. Now I have to figure out a way of integrating all of this "stuff" into my home, get rid of it, or buy another home to accommodate it all. I don't have the interest in building models that I once had, so much of what I have these days are ARFs. Poor vision (close up) and sore joints are what I blame the lack of building ambition on. Ed Cregger >>>>> a Gillows kit again, easy to transport and learning to fly on the wing >>>>> again [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >collected many of the Acoustic amps that I used back in the Seventies when >playing full time and a few that I wanted, but couldn't afford back then. Acoustic amps...you aren't talking tube amps for hi-fi are you? Or amps for guitars. >I also bought a few Fenders and lots of Chinese stuff. Many of the Chinese >instruments are nearly as good as the real thing, but at much less cost. I have no solid guitars, just lots of acoustics. I am in love with the Chinese guitars. They make more music per buck than anything. I went into a music store recently in Kingsville, TX -- it was part of a service station (my kind of place). I wanted to try some new speed thumb picks and Alaskan finger picks. They didn't have any. So I bought a blue, cut-away flat top with Barcus Berry onboard preamp and EQ...Chinese, of course, and its workmanship is better than on my Gibson rosewood J-45 I bought a year ago...and that was more than 10 times what I paid for the Chinese guitar...and then I had to pay $150 setup on it... >Now >I have to figure out a way of integrating all of this "stuff" into my home, >get rid of it, or buy another home to accommodate it all. I have gone through these options and finally decided that a living room was the most wasted space in the house so it is now a music room. >I don't have the interest in building models that I once had, so much of >what I have these days are ARFs. Poor vision (close up) and sore joints are >what I blame the lack of building ambition on. I want to build but don't have time...you can see the toys I am enjoying lately. http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ Ken > Acoustic amps...you aren't talking tube amps for hi-fi are > you? Or amps for guitars. No, these were pro level musical instrument amplifiers. I owned an Acoustic Control Corporation Model #371 bass amp in the seventies and used that for a good portion of my playing during that decade. It was a big rascal that utilized a 375 watt head, 1x18" woofer in a folded horn enclosure. They were "the" pro set up back then. It was powerful enough to never sound pushed. Bass is one instrument that sounds best when clean and with lots of headroom. The 371 could do that with ease. I now have another one, after being without one for twenty some years. A friend that I made on the internet gave me the enclosure (thanks, Dennis). It cost me $200 to have it shipped from Tampa, FL to Ringgold, GA. I found a head on eBay for less than $300. My original set up cost me $1,500 back in the Seventies. It felt like finding an old friend. I also play guitar, but mostly electric. Acoustic guitars are a little too demanding for my polio stricken hands, but I do love their sound. > I have no solid guitars, just lots of acoustics. I am in love > with the Chinese guitars. They make more music per buck than [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > was more than 10 times what I paid for the Chinese guitar...and then I > had to pay $150 setup on it... That is what I keep trying to convey to the younger folks in various guitar groups. Instead of spending a fortune on a brand named instrument, buy a decent Chinese guitar or two to find what style you are looking for. Then, once you know, you can spend a lot of money on a brand name instrument - if that's what floats your boat. > I want to build but don't have time...you can see the toys I > am enjoying lately. http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ These days I am spending a lot of time in learning how to record music via the computer. That keeps me busy enough. Ed Cregger >> Acoustic amps...you aren't talking tube amps for hi-fi are >> you? Or amps for guitars. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >$300. My original set up cost me $1,500 back in the Seventies. It felt like >finding an old friend. Gotcha'...now I understand the comment about where you are going to keep these things...have you considered making a room in one of them? >I also play guitar, but mostly electric. Acoustic guitars are a little too >demanding for my polio stricken hands, but I do love their sound. I tell you, Ed, I have been fortunate with my hands...considering rough necking in the oil fields and such, but I have seen some incredibly screwed up hands make beautiful music. I will send you a link via e-mail. Give this guy a listen. there are pictures of him, as well. Watching and listening to him, makes me ashamed of my playing. <g> >> I have no solid guitars, just lots of acoustics. I am in love >> with the Chinese guitars. They make more music per buck than [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >once you know, you can spend a lot of money on a brand name instrument - if >that's what floats your boat. I usually ask -- Is the guitar an investment? Are you going to brag to your buds about what you play? How much you paid for it? Or are you going to try to make music on it? Those are the questions to ask. I have played a few $6,000 handbuilts and you know what? I still sound mediocre. I need a $6,000 guitar to sound mediocre? I don't think so... <g> >> I want to build but don't have time...you can see the toys I >> am enjoying lately. http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ > >These days I am spending a lot of time in learning how to record music via >the computer. That keeps me busy enough. I have enough problems and spending time on the computer with the writing. I put together a recording console in the studio...which is still to unstable to use. I like having big chunks of stuff with jillions of LEDs and patch panels and wires all over the floor. Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ > I think a lot of old time modelers are coming to this conclusion. Electrics > open up a lot of modeling opportunities, multi engine, small size, building [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Red S. A good friend of mine has a basement full of giant scale models. For Christmas I gave him a Clancy Lazy-E-Bee. I wondered about his reaction to the little critter. So far it has been positive. I have to admit that I never imagined that I would be this taken with electric models. Of course, I tend to view them differently than the young folks, but that is okay. As you said, electrics open up the possibility of flying model types that I simply would not have bothered with if I had to use multiple IC engines or IC powered ducted fans. Ed Cregger > I am back. > I have been negligent with my modeling ("Father, forgive me > for I have sinned...") but, you see, we had this storm down here in > Picayune, MS, and the model shop got hit by a carport and it almost > got knocked off its 45" high supports. Hi Ken I don't know if you remember me but we were in the Northshore RC Club back when. You know, when it wasn't a landfill. I'm up in Carriere now, and was wondering where you found to fly. I've got a Flatana, a Lil Rascal, and some other electrics and half A's that I'd like to find a steady place close by for. I can fly the Flatana in my front yard but a little more room would be nice. I got lucky and only lost a few shingles. My mother-in-law got 3 feet. She's living with us until I can get her place done, so my flying and personal time is limited. PS If you need some help getting your shop in order let me know. I've got a good selection of tools and a couple of big house jacks if you need them. My time is limited but it's yours if I'm free. Post back to the board, or take out the doesntneedspam to get a valid email addy. >> I am back. >> I have been negligent with my modeling ("Father, forgive me [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >steady place close by for. I can fly the Flatana in my front yard but a >little more room would be nice. Hello, John! The park just north of the house lost some more trees recently to cutters. I will go out today and see what sort of shape it is in. I wouldn't fly IC out there, but the guy who maintained it for years and I was friends and he would come out and watch me and a buddy fly e-power. And this included 116" duration electric. I will check back with you via e-mail after I look. >I got lucky and only lost a few shingles. My mother-in-law got 3 feet. >She's living with us until I can get her place done, so my flying and >personal time is limited. It was a rough one John. A friend on the coast lost his wife and we know of others that didn't make it...one's body will most likely never be found. As always, we are not good; we are lucky. >PS If you need some help getting your shop in order let me know. I've >got a good selection of tools and a couple of big house jacks if you >need them. My time is limited but it's yours if I'm free. Post back to >the board, or take out the doesntneedspam to get a valid email addy. That is so kind of you, John. I am losing patience with the religious guy who keeps lying to me but his crew is good and have done a bunch of what I need done. I will suffer along shop-less a while longer. I can tip-toe in and remove things and if I want to fly, I can find a few more square feet here in the study for models, xmitter, chargers, and batteries. Look to here further from me anon. Ken http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ Sorry to hear about your catastrophic storm damage and the fact that you aren't back where you want to be. But, glad that you have a good attitude and outlook for the present and the future. I wish the best of luck and brightest future for you Ken. Brian > I am back. > I have been negligent with my modeling ("Father, forgive me [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > Cheers -- Ken Cashion > http://www.photos.windmillpro.com/ I have been having trouble with my ISP...charter.net. They are trying to help but they don't know if they have a storm damage related problem down here or if there is a server problem at some node. I am reduced to using Google rather than my old Agent. E-mail works fine...Outlook Express doesn't access the newsnet nor does my Agent newsreader. I can couple to Google once on line. My connect speed might be 441 kbps or 2.44 mbps in any given hour. Thanks for the kind words. I still no info on when I can expect to have the studio/shop back in service. I am hopeful it will be this month. We count time in months now rather than days. <g> It has been six months since the hurricane and we still have cleanup crews on our street. We are hoping they will get it clear in the next four months...because that will be the start of hurricane season. Does anyone here use charter.net and a news reader to use this group? If they do, please e-mail me. Ken > I have been having trouble with my ISP...charter.net. They are > trying to help but they don't know if they have a storm damage related [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Does anyone here use charter.net and a news reader to use this > group? If they do, please e-mail me. Charter hasn't been Usenet-friendly in a while. I had them for a couple of years when I lived in Slidell. They farmed out usenet access to some third party and the number of groups available, and the number of posters that got through on them, went down. I couldn't see Red or any other Bellsouth posters after the switch. Charter, as you will see, doesn't care whether or not your Usenet account is working. They will get around to fixing it at their leisure. You might try accessing the group through one of the free servers. |
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