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Tim Wescott - 25 Feb 2006 20:00 GMT
We're new dog owners, having owned dogs (rather than lived with parents
who owned dogs) for just over a year.

Our new poodle is of a line of real honest-to-gosh _hunting_ poodles, so
his retriever instincts are strong.

The kid and I were out in the back yard flying the airhog for the first
time since we got the dog.  The dog just went nuts chasing that thing
from below.  The problem is he wants to bring it back by the wing*.

I've already figured out that if I don't want it to have tooth marks the
dog needs to stay inside when I'm flying.  But he had a ball chasing the
plane.  Anyone have any suggestions of how to mix the dog and airplanes?
 I'm thinking either get some space shuttle gliders, or perhaps put a
bomb drop on something that I can fly here at home.

* when he's not trying to take it to his lair -- but that's a problem
for another day.

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Fubar of The HillPeople - 25 Feb 2006 20:07 GMT
Get something like a Zagi or at least a plane that is tape covered EPP. One
of my flying buddies has a chocolate lab that loves to come slope soaring.
You launch a plane and he tries to grab it. Same with landing.
We stick our EPP slopers nose down in the sage and creosote bushes between
flights and this dog just plows thru as he runs from one side of the slope
to the other, planes tumbling into the air and down again in his wake. Its
pretty funny to watch.
Anyway, EPP is pretty indestructable and tooth punctures from a poodle wont
do much more than cosmetic damage in my opinion.

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> We're new dog owners, having owned dogs (rather than lived with parents
> who owned dogs) for just over a year.
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> * when he's not trying to take it to his lair -- but that's a problem for
> another day.
Tim Wescott - 25 Feb 2006 21:43 GMT
> Get something like a Zagi or at least a plane that is tape covered EPP. One
> of my flying buddies has a chocolate lab that loves to come slope soaring.
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> Anyway, EPP is pretty indestructable and tooth punctures from a poodle wont
> do much more than cosmetic damage in my opinion.

Thanks.  That's just the sort of idea I was looking for.

Now I gotta learn how to make EPP airplanes.  I suppose I should break
down and get a kit.

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Charle & Peggy Robinson - 26 Feb 2006 15:27 GMT
>> Get something like a Zagi or at least a plane that is tape covered
>> EPP. One of my flying buddies has a chocolate lab that loves to come
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> Now I gotta learn how to make EPP airplanes.  I suppose I should break
> down and get a kit.

  Hay, I have a Zagi 60 (5' wing) and I sure wouldn't want a pooch
dragging it around, EPP or not.

  CR
Mike Young - 25 Feb 2006 22:29 GMT
> I've already figured out that if I don't want it to have tooth marks the
> dog needs to stay inside when I'm flying.  But he had a ball chasing the
> plane.  Anyone have any suggestions of how to mix the dog and airplanes?

The dog should be trainable to do things on your whim, not his. That's more
a matter of teaching the owner rather than training the dog. (You wouldn't
accept your child blatantly ignoring your instructions. The same should
apply equally to the dog. Some think more so for the dog, but that's  a fine
point.)

Definitely get a plane you can share with him if you wish. A ducted fan
would be safest. Along with that comes teaching him which is which, and when
or when not.
Tim Wescott - 25 Feb 2006 23:05 GMT
>> I've already figured out that if I don't want it to have tooth marks
>> the dog needs to stay inside when I'm flying.  But he had a ball
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> would be safest. Along with that comes teaching him which is which, and
> when or when not.

He's young, he's a born retriever, and he doesn't quite understand
'fetch' yet.  I really, really don't want to stomp on retrieving in
general while trying to keep him off my planes -- particularly because
he seems to understand that something that really flies must be a bird,
which must be retrieved.  If it's not actually cruel to train him out of
retrieving it'd at least make him miss out on a lot of fun.

So yes, I want to get one or several planes that he knows he can have
fun with, teach him to retrieve those, and teach him to keep is mouth
off the nicer ones.  Fortunately he's a bright dog so I think he'll be
able to make the distinction.

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Mike Young - 26 Feb 2006 00:15 GMT
>> Definitely get a plane you can share with him if you wish. A ducted fan
>> would be safest. Along with that comes teaching him which is which, and
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> retrieved.  If it's not actually cruel to train him out of retrieving it'd
> at least make him miss out on a lot of fun.

We're drifting off airplanes altogether now... There's a long distance
between restraining his free will, which I'm suggesting, and suppressing his
natural behaviors entirely. Let him retrieve when and if that's what you
want -- emphasis on you, not him. It won't kill him or even break his spirit
to do other jobs, too, which might include sitting at your side as you fly
other toys, or even "his" toy.

> So yes, I want to get one or several planes that he knows he can have fun
> with, teach him to retrieve those, and teach him to keep is mouth off the
> nicer ones.  Fortunately he's a bright dog so I think he'll be able to
> make the distinction.

That's cool, and I'm sure you'll both have lots of fun.
Bill E. Nomates - 26 Feb 2006 01:17 GMT
That's a bad trait which might result in injury to your dog, and will
certainly upset your fellow flyers.
It's not the dog, it's YOU that is at fault.

I had a lab that I would take up the field (for 10 years) and it would NEVER
venture onto the patch or chase planes.

Have some respect for the Mutt and train it.

> We're new dog owners, having owned dogs (rather than lived with parents
> who owned dogs) for just over a year.
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> * when he's not trying to take it to his lair -- but that's a problem for
> another day.
The Natural Philosopher - 26 Feb 2006 12:01 GMT
> We're new dog owners, having owned dogs (rather than lived with parents
> who owned dogs) for just over a year.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> * when he's not trying to take it to his lair -- but that's a problem
> for another day.

I have this problem. Once when flying with an Alsatian, I worked out the
only way to land the thing was to take it at low level right out across
the filed, with Fido barking underneath, and then a fast low level run
back (it can out run him) and chop the throttle and land QUICKLY.
 
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