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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / June 2006secrets of great covering with top flite monokote
Hi any one out there have this secrets of great covering with top flite monokote There used to be a video avalable...from Monokote featuring Charlie Baeur covering wings and planes and showing many tricks of doing a great job. Some hobby shops might he video to loan. I had a copy and let someone borrow it and do not remember who it was...guess he didn't think much of it, or me either as it never came back....thre is a secial hot seat in the lower regions reserved for people who borrow books and videos and do not return them... Tower may have the video in stock...worth watching.. Frank Schwartz AM123 >Hi any one out there have this secrets of great covering with top flite >monokote I agree the video is great, I just finished my first Monokote covering and it turned out very well according to the club members. I also got some tips from the owner of the LHS where I got the video from. The tape plus some hints/help from someone that is familar should get you a good covering. > There used to be a video avalable...from Monokote featuring Charlie > Baeur covering wings and planes and showing many tricks of doing a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Hi any one out there have this secrets of great covering with top flite >> monokote  SignatureUsing Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >I agree the video is great, I just finished my first Monokote covering and >it turned out very well according to the club members. I also got some >tips from the owner of the LHS where I got the video from. The tape plus >some hints/help from someone that is familar should get you a good >covering. Any hints for getting seams to stick back down, after some glow fuel and exhaust got under them? SignatureJim in NC >Any hints for getting seams to stick back down, after some glow fuel and >exhaust got under them? Wash thoroughly with denatured alcohol. Dry thoroughly. Use a hot iron. If that doesn't work, you might try running a little CA along the seam. It doesn't take much. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Worst case: run a new strip of Monokote over the seam. Marty Charlie Bauer is still doing his thing in Norridge, IL and has his videos for sale. Charlie's company is Four Pi and his website is at: http://www.fourpi.com Or you can call him at (708) 457-2177. He also has some kits and ARFs for sale. I have no connection with Charlie other than occasionally seeing him at swap meets in the Chicago area. Harlan > There used to be a video avalable...from Monokote featuring Charlie > Baeur covering wings and planes and showing many tricks of doing a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Tower may have the video in stock...worth watching.. > Frank Schwartz AM123 refer to Covering Materials & Instructions (see also Colours & Visibility above) Chemical Compatibility of Common Model Finishing Materials Cover Foam Wings With Brown Paper - Ezone Covering - Lee Van Tassle Cover small models with tissue - M.A.N. tips. Covering & Painting Techniques*** Covering tips & techniques - RCU article Coverite Home Page Fibreglass Cloth Covering by Jim Ryan Klass Kote (epoxy paint) Lite Films,Covering & colouring & weights - Roy Bourke Light plastic film - types & techniques for micro flyers - M.A.N article Monokote - How to. MonoKote & LustreKote Surface Preparation & Painting Oracover = Ultracote = Profilm . Hobby Lobby's tips Oracover - Holland Ozcover Painting Canopies (Heli) - email Alan for file. Painting RC models with Latex Paint Pennyplane - lightweight building & covering for indoor duration Poly-Fiber Polyester Fabrics Polyurethane (Water based) - adhere and finish fibreglass and Koverall cloth etc. RhinoCover Base White Scale Rib Stitch Silk (Thai silks) Silkspan Covering - How to and Why Solarfilm (Solartex, Solite, Solarspan, So-lite, Fibafilm) Solite - How to apply this ultra lite film Solite - Advanced Covering Techniques SPAD (Simple Plastic Model Design) - use of plastics Tinting Clear Canopies - David Tatosian. (site down - email Alan direct for copy.) Two Color Covering - RCFU Ultracote® ( = ProFilm =OraCover) Tips & Tricks = Horizon Hobby : USI Laminate: Use 3mm thick film at Alan's Hobby Model & RC Web Links http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~atong/ Best and longer lasting results with Oracover aka Profilm aka Ultracote. regards Alan > Hi any one out there have this secrets of great covering with top flite > monokote The real 'secret' is that when applying MonoKote, use the same principles as one uses at the local fitness club -- "Stretch and Pull" "Pull and Stretch" "Stretch and Pull" "Pull and Stretch". And then again, an extra pair of hands comes in handy when you work around compound curves such as wingtips. Cheers -- \_________Lyman Slack________/ \_______Flying Gators R/C___/ \_____AMA 6430 LM____ / \___Gainesville FL_____/ Visit my Web Site at www.LymanSlack.com > Hi any one out there have this secrets of great covering with top flite > monokote Check out the Harry Higley books on the subject. Tried, proven techniques. It's like getting to Carnegie Hall: practice!practice!practice! >Hi any one out there have this secrets of great covering with top flite >monokote the biggest secret: use UltraCote instead... The most important thing to remember with Monokote, at least in my opinion, is that it only shrinks about 10%..you do, as some one just wrote, pull and stretch. I've been using it for many years and havenot had good luck with Ultracote..also under the same name as Oracover, or Analcover as the locals refer to it as... Frank Schwartz > The most important thing to remember with Monokote, at least in my > opinion, is that it only shrinks about 10%..you do, as some one just [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > or Analcover as the locals refer to it as... > Frank Schwartz Have you noticed how over the years Monokote has lost some of its elasticity? I think it used to be a lot easier to use than now. Ed Cregger >The most important thing to remember with Monokote, at least in my >opinion, is that it only shrinks about 10%..you do, as some one just >wrote, pull and stretch. Faye Stilley has some good books on the subject. He says Monokote will cycle--first it stretches, then it shrinks, then stretches, then shrinks. The trouble is that working over the same section several times tends to "thin out" the adhesive and maybe even thin out the mylar. There's a limit to how much you can go over the same spot. My goal is to make my planes look OK at six feet when I'm squinting. If they pass that test, I go fly. ;o) Marty > My goal is to make my planes look OK at six feet when I'm > squinting. If they pass that test, I go fly. ;o) > > Marty LOL! mk >> My goal is to make my planes look OK at six feet when I'm >> squinting. If they pass that test, I go fly. ;o) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > LOL! > mk I have a friend that used to be famous for his "twelve foot finishes". <G> Ed Cregger >I have a friend that used to be famous for his "twelve foot finishes". <G> That sounds like the moral equivalent of "six feet and squint." ;o) Marty >>The most important thing to remember with Monokote, at least in my >>opinion, is that it only shrinks about 10%..you do, as some one just [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Marty Six feet and squinting .... I hope I get that good one day :-) , but I doubt it. With all the ARF's out there , covering has almost become a thing of the past for me. Ken >>The most important thing to remember with Monokote, at least in my >>opinion, is that it only shrinks about 10%..you do, as some one just [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Marty IIRC , stand-off scale was judged at 15' ? I don't even know if they still do stand-off scale. I used to judge some in stand-off....many moons ago. I remember having the guys hold their airplanes up , right side up , upside down , sideways to see how thay matched the 3 views. I tried my best to never look at an airplane before the judging. Boy , some of those good looking aircraft at 15' became real rags close up. Ken Yes, Ed, Monokote does seem a bit different than at first. If you were around at the "beginning" you will recall that it was sticky back on paper and everyone hated it as it picked up every bit of dust in the shop and on the workbench. Once the heat activated film came out it was a smashing success. It was not until Tower/GreatPlanes bought out Top Flight and the patent for it and moved it apparently to a different manufacturer did we locals (Nashville TN area) find out that it had been made, all these years, at a factory right here in the Nashville area. Can you imagine what was in the dumpster???? Or what a "buddy" in the factory could have done for us with end runs and short pieces like in the carpet industry..... Changing the subject, but in the same vein, when the first very small electrolytic condensors for printed circuits came out...those little black plastic encased ones that were about a quarter inch high and about an eighth of an inch tall...they were made here in the Nashville area, and the man that developed them and owned the factory was none other than my favorite high school science teacher. I used to drop by to get a few for a project and he would give me literally boxes of them that were slightly over or under specs...I still have a few drawers full of them. Time marches on..... Regards to all.. Frank Schwartz AMA 123 80 years young and still building and flying... Must admit, I bought the Monokote DVD from Towers. Although OK for basics I expected more especially after I've read the marketing hype. Expected them to show me how to get all those art on my plane they show on the DVD cover. Nothing other than basics. Going back to the original Monokote Covering VHS tapes... the ones we mentioned earlier byCharlie Bauer for Top Flite that IMHO are the best. and there is second tape in the VHS series where Charlie shows you some really neat tricks for trim and so on... wonder who has mine.. And I am about a 4 foot man..I do take a bit of pride in my covering..but hanger rash is one of my problems...too many planes and too much stuff in too small a workshop.... still it beats silk and dope and I was one of the last to give up the silk and dope and go over to Monokote. i still do an old timer or 1/2A Texaco in silk, though, just for the fun and nostalgia of it... Frank Schwartz The biggest "secret" that I did not see anyone mention was to start with a perfectly sanded airframe. Sand it until it is smooth and flawless and then sand it again. NO finish is better than the wood under it. The Higley Book "Tom's Techniques" is probably the best reference. Earle > Hi any one out there have this secrets of great covering with top flite > monokote > Hi any one out there have this secrets of great covering with top flite > monokote Secret #1 - use Ultra coat. Its thinner, more flexable, uses less heat to apply, can be repositioned and shrinks well, does not get "baggy" after time. |
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