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Ed Smega - 26 Jul 2006 19:21 GMT
I have a wonderful flying Goldberg Chipmonk that is driving me nuts.  The
main gear is just a little too far back and it is difficult to keep it from
nosing over.  Keeping full up elevator while taxiing is helpful but not good
enough to suit me. This arrangement is the standard long maple block with
the groove that accomodates the wire gear.  The wheel axles are slightly
behind the leading edge.  If I knew when building that this would be a
problem perhaps I could have made some accomodation, but at this point I
dont want to cut up the wing.  Also the mounting blocks are fairly close to
the front of the wing so there isn't much room for adjustment.

I am afraid to try to bend the wire because it is so stout that bending
would be very difficult and in my view probably impossible for me to
replicate exactly on the second one.

Does any one have a simple/creative solution to moving the wheels forward
probably a half  to 3/4 of an inch?

Ed
MK - 27 Jul 2006 00:33 GMT
>I have a wonderful flying Goldberg Chipmonk that is driving me nuts.  The
>main gear is just a little too far back and it is difficult to keep it from
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>
> Ed

Just bend 'em, careful not to damage the mounts.  Maybe a vise or
vise-grips(2 pair)
Bend them, than TLAR(that looks about right)  You can;t imagine how much
easier things are when you decide that it dosen't have to be exact.
If the wire is held in with straps
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remove the the gear and bend it or make new gear out of the same size
wire.(lots of bending)
mk
Tim Wescott - 27 Jul 2006 00:43 GMT
>>I have a wonderful flying Goldberg Chipmonk that is driving me nuts.  The
>>main gear is just a little too far back and it is difficult to keep it from
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> wire.(lots of bending)
> mk

Music wire seems to hold a bend like that better if you purposely bend
it past the yield point, then back a bit to relieve stresses.  Otherwise
your bend tends to creep.

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Six_O'Clock_High - 27 Jul 2006 23:29 GMT
>I have a wonderful flying Goldberg Chipmonk that is driving me nuts.  The
>main gear is just a little too far back and it is difficult to keep it from
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>
> Ed

Get new wire and bend up new gear putting the axles right at or very very
slightly forward of the leading edge.  The Goldberg Chimpmonk kit was
shipped with wimpy wire (too soft) and ANY less than stellar landing makes
it bend back.  Get off on the grass at anything over taxi speeds and it
bent.  Once that has started, it just gets worse.  Well, mine was like that
until I broke it rat racing with a .40 Ugly stick...I had him beat right up
to the point my bird went over on its back because I pulled too hard in the
turn to final.  Someday in the nearish future it will fly again.
Ed Smega - 28 Jul 2006 02:37 GMT
> Get new wire and bend up new gear putting the axles right at or very very
> slightly forward of the leading edge.

One advantage of that apporach is that if I screw up, I still have the
originals to fall back on.

I have never been very good at bending wire.  Never mastered the skill of
accounting for the bend radius.  I can measure and mark the wire, but the
thicker the wire the more likely I will not get 2 gear with equal length
segements, not to mention the difficulty of bending thick tempered piano
wire.   I don't have a solid work bench to mount a heavy duty vise on, nor
do I have the space for one.

Ed
pcoopy - 28 Jul 2006 04:38 GMT
Take it to someone who can do it for you.

Phil AMA609

> > Get new wire and bend up new gear putting the axles right at or very very
> > slightly forward of the leading edge.
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>
> Ed
Roy Minut - 28 Jul 2006 09:32 GMT
A long time ago, when I was a youngster back in the days when all you got  
in kits for landing gear was a piece of straight wire.  I was in my  
favorite haunt, Cleveland Model Supply, and I mentioned to the cleark that  
I had problems with getting the left and right wires bent the same, they  
never matched.  At that time there was an old time modeler that happened  
to overhear me and said "I can show you how to do that!"  What he did was  
to use a piece of 2x6 lumber about 24 inches long and drew the outline of  
the gear on the wide side of the wood, making sure that none of the bends  
was near the edge of the board.  Now he used a nail to drill (hand drill)  
to make pilot holes for #6 by 1-1/2" wood screws at each of the bend  
locations and wherever the wire might need support.  The screws were  
fillister head, i.e. they had a round top with a larger diameter base to  
hold the wire better.  One could use a normal round head screw with a flat  
washer but you would need to put a short piece of the same diameter music  
wire on the opposite side of the screw to keep the washer level.  Now  
start with one end fasten the wire down with a support screw (tightened  
securely) and the first bend screw slightly snug and bend till you get the  
wire to match the layout.  add the next bend screw (and support screws if  
necessary) and make the next bend.  Continue until all bends are made.  
Remove the bent wire and using a new wire make a duplicate.  Note that  
this may not be exactly as the plans indicate, one section made be an 1/8"  
longer between bends than the plans indicate, however you will have two  
identical LG wires.  Now the next question, what if I need to make a bend  
in the third dimension?  Fasten the wire down to the board where it will  
remain flat, make a gague block the distance that you need to bend the  
wire and ben it up till it matches the gauge.  If you go to far, simply  
make a new guage for the height and use it for the other side.  Don't  
forget that in most cases the bend for the opposite side will be the  
reverse of the first one, fasten down in the opposite direction.  Some  
hints, keep the wire as long as possible, better leverage.  If you have a  
bend that is close to an end keep it long and cut to length later.  
Remember do not use diagonal cutters, etc to cut music wire, use a small  
triangular file (not a needle file) to file a notch all around the wire  
then snap it off, file off the rough spot left.  Or use a cutoff disc in a  
dremel tool, wear safty googles, those disks have a tendency to fracture.

Roy

> Goldberg Chipmonk

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Storm's Hamilton - 28 Jul 2006 18:34 GMT
Good post Roy.
mk

>A long time ago, when I was a youngster back in the days when all you got
>in kits for landing gear was a piece of straight wire.  I was in my
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>> Goldberg Chipmonk
 
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