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Astro 10 Propeller Size

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David - 23 Aug 2006 16:00 GMT
What size prop should I use for an Astro 10 direct drive.  Also, what
number of cells should I use and what range of amperage draw should I
expect.

I have no instructions or spec.sheets.

Thanks,  D.
The Natural Philosopher - 23 Aug 2006 16:32 GMT
> What size prop should I use for an Astro 10 direct drive.  Also, what
> number of cells should I use and what range of amperage draw should I
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>
> Thanks,  D.

The prop depends on the cell count.

I would say try www.astroflight.com, but the web site is nerfed
Doug McLaren - 23 Aug 2006 18:01 GMT
| What size prop should I use for an Astro 10 direct drive.  Also, what
| number of cells should I use and what range of amperage draw should I
| expect.

Google for `motocalc', get it and download it.  It gives you a 30 day
trial free, which should be more than enough.

Tell it about the plane you have, tell it you've got an Astro 10
motor, direct drive, then give it a range of props and of batteries,
and let it work out the expected performance for each setup and make
your own conclusion.

There's a small learning curve, but it's not too bad.  And it can save
you hundreds of dollars guessing at the right battery packs and props
and frying ESCs because you over-amped them ...

Is this the little Astro 010, smaller than speed 400 sized?  If so,
it's meant for around 8 cells NiCd/3 cells LiPo, so you'll probably
want to start around there.  I think the maximum amperage is around
9-10 amps.  I'd start with 6x3, 5x5, 4.7x4.7 and similar props.  You
might also want to get a gear box for it -- I think they're around
$30-$40, and might help it perform better for most of the sorts of
models you'd use it on.  Model it all with motocalc first before you
buy anything.

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Bill Sheppard - 23 Aug 2006 19:35 GMT
David:
             Since you specified direct drive instead of geared, i can
show you two examples of Astro 010s on 2-cell lipos that perform
extremely well. One plane uses the Master Airscrew 5.5 X 4 prop that
came with the motor. The other uses the popular Gunther 4.9 X 4.3
'Wingo'/Zagi prop. Both draw about 7½ amps static at WOT. No doubt
they unload some in the air. See-
http://community-2.webtv.net/oldcoot/TurboTipsyand

The 2-cell lipo is equivalent to 7-cell NiCD/NiMH. You could do 8 cells
if you go that route, and amp draw would probably approach 9 amps.
Although the 010 is rated for 3-cell lipo, it would be overkill IMHO,
and would reduce run time and cycles-lifetime of the pack.  
                These little motors are real gems, and mine have
hundreds of flight hours on them with never a moment's trouble. Just
give the bearings a little shot of oil once in a while.  

Bill(oc)
David - 24 Aug 2006 03:30 GMT
The motor is an ASTRO - 10 not an 010.  I also have an 010.

So, my questions stand.

Thanks, D.
Doug McLaren - 24 Aug 2006 16:36 GMT
| The motor is an ASTRO - 10 not an 010.  I also have an 010.

I can't find any information on an `Astro 10' motor that is not the
little Astroflight brushless 010.  Not even on Astroflight's web site,
not even in the list of motors included in Motocalc.

| So, my questions stand.

And my answer stands ... except that Motocalc doesn't know anything
about your motor either.

Are you sure that's what it is?  Is it even by Astroflight?  (That was
my guess based on the name, but I haven't actually seen it, so it
could easily be wrong ...)

Call up Astroflight, ask them what you've got, and what the parameters
for it are (Kv, Io, Ro) and what the maximum power/current/speed
permitted are and then you can weight it, and enter all of that into
Motocalc and it'll make suggestions.

Armed with these figures, you could probably do much of the work
yourself with little more than a calculator, but exactly how to do
this would make for a pretty large post.  Just let Motocalc do the
work.

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Bill Sheppard - 24 Aug 2006 17:47 GMT
Yeah, David. Any search for an 'Astro 10' motor comes up zilch. Are you
sure it's *Astroflight* brand and not something else?
              Bill(oc)
The Natural Philosopher - 24 Aug 2006 20:50 GMT
> Yeah, David. Any search for an 'Astro 10' motor comes up zilch. Are you
> sure it's *Astroflight* brand and not something else?
>                Bill(oc)

I certainly have never heard of an Astro 10 in ether the cobalt or
brushless ranges.

Maybe the old ferrite stuff?
Ken Day - 25 Aug 2006 07:39 GMT
>What size prop should I use for an Astro 10 direct drive.  Also, what
>number of cells should I use and what range of amperage draw should I
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>
>Thanks,  D.
Never heard of an Astro FLight 10 , but they have an 010 and an 020
I have the 020 brushless on a VIP 400 pylon racer. I run a
Cam 5.25 x 4.75 prop on it , course that won't help you any.
These small direct drive motors will not swing a very large prop.

Call Bob Boucher at Astro Flight and if it's not one of their motors
I'm sure he can give you the info on what you have. He's one of , if
not THE best motor engineers in the country.

Ken
Doug McLaren - 25 Aug 2006 17:11 GMT
| Call Bob Boucher at Astro Flight and if it's not one of their motors
| I'm sure he can give you the info on what you have. He's one of , if
| not THE best motor engineers in the country.

Speaking of Boucher, if you really want to understand motors, get his
book, `Electric Motor Handbook' --

  http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LX3617&P=FR

It's a bit dated, as brushless motors only get a paragraph or two, and
it doesn't mention LiPo batteries at all, for example, but since the
fundamental physics of motors has not changed, the book is still
extremely useful in undersanding how to get the best performance out
of your motors.

Of course, you could just skip the book entirely and just use Motocalc
-- Motocalc basically uses the same formulas, adds some more, and does
the hard work for you.  But even so, it's useful to have at least a
passing understanding of these principles.

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Ken Day - 25 Aug 2006 21:13 GMT
>| Call Bob Boucher at Astro Flight and if it's not one of their motors
>| I'm sure he can give you the info on what you have. He's one of , if
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>the hard work for you.  But even so, it's useful to have at least a
>passing understanding of these principles.

Thanks Doug , I already have it. It is a great book and even though
there's not much on brushless most of the info is good for both
brushed and brushless.
Appreciate the info

Ken
 
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