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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / September 2006Senior Telemaster
I saw that the Senior Telemaster is now avvailable in A.R.F. form and comes with an electric motor all for $195.00. This sounds like a heck of a deal. I am getting back into r.c. flying and I need a trainer. I would rather use an Evolution 61 that I have instead of the electric though. Has anyone here flown a Senior Telemaster either electric or gas and what is your opinion? If I can learn to fly it myself with some degree of confidence I would like to add a movie camera on the bottom. Your comments..... Clyde Getting into electrics has a catch 22...you are going to have to get a special type of battery, a speed controller and special charger for the batterty...in the end you will spend a heckuva lot more than if you bought a 61 and fuel and starter and such. We have a couple flying at our club field and it is a fine flyer and a nice ARF..but all use gas...any old 60 is MORE THAN ADEQUATE for this plane. If you need nose weight use the Evolution...otherwise any other type, even a 51 will fly it. The Evoluteiion is a good engine but heaver than its counterparts. We fly them with old 60's here and mostly at half throttle...biggest mistake with any Telemaster is to overpowerit. It just ain't necessary..... Good luck. Frank > I saw that the Senior Telemaster is now avvailable in A.R.F. form and >comes with an electric motor all for $195.00. This sounds like a heck of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Clyde > I saw that the Senior Telemaster is now avvailable in A.R.F. form and > comes with an electric motor all for $195.00. This sounds like a heck of a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Clyde The electric power system will cost you an additional $300 to $400 or so, when all is done. The under $200 price is just for the ARF. Believe me, that is a good deal. Yes, I have all of it except their radio. Nice set up. Ed Cregger > I saw that the Senior Telemaster is now avvailable in A.R.F. form and > comes with an electric motor all for $195.00. This sounds like a heck of a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Clyde Oops, forgot to answer the rest of your question. The Sr. Telemaster is kind of like a scale model of a J-3 Cub in that it is not a great trainer. No auto stabilizing features like a good trainer. It isn't difficult to fly, but it is different from a trainer in important ways. If you have an instructor on a buddy box to help get you through the first few flights, you'll be fine. Coordinated rudder and aileron turns are just about mandatory, unless you increase the dihedral significantly, which I would not do. I bought my latest Sr. Tele ARF to carry still digital cameras aloft. It is a beautiful model and well built. There is a long thread on RCU about people flying this ARF along with some mods and pictures of the mods. Nice choice. Ed Cregger The Telemaster is a great plane! I've not seen the ARF but I have two of 'em and my favorite is powered with a Featherlite 25cc gasoline engine converted from a $59.00 Walmart leaf blower. Takes all of an hour to convert. Turns a 16x8 prop just fine and flys for an hour on 10 oz of gas. Cheap power.Cheap fuel and no trips to the hobby store for fuel! Factually, Telemasters are GREAT trainers. If you can't fly a Telemaster, you can't fly. In fact, one of my big gags is to turn off the xmitter and pass the plane off to someone or simply trim the plane in a circle and go get a softdrink while the plane flys itself. You can't go wrong with a Telemaster. > > I saw that the Senior Telemaster is now avvailable in A.R.F. form and > > comes with an electric motor all for $195.00. This sounds like a heck of a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Ed Cregger The conversion sounds interesting. Is the conversion documented on a website, or do you know of any other resources for the instructions? Ken.  SignatureAll incoming and outgoing mail scanned using Norton Anti Virus, by the shores of beautiful Puget Sound. > The Telemaster is a great plane! I've not seen the ARF but I have two > of 'em and my favorite is powered with a Featherlite 25cc gasoline [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You can't go wrong with a Telemaster. If you really are going to overpower a Sr. Telemaster with a weed eater engine, please go back to the original postings and read my latest response.... Frank >The conversion sounds interesting. Is the conversion documented on a >website, or do you know of any other resources for the instructions? >Ken. The conversion is rather " res ipsa loquitur" once you get the plastic off. Seriously, it's the easiest I have ever seen. You really don't need any instructions. And it does not "overpower" the Telemaster. Plenty for short take off and climb out but nothing excessive and it keeps one from having to load the nose up with lead. If you need pics, email me and I'll send you some. > The conversion sounds interesting. Is the conversion documented on a > website, or do you know of any other resources for the instructions? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > You can't go wrong with a Telemaster. | The conversion is rather " res ipsa loquitur" once you get the plastic | off. Seriously, it's the easiest I have ever seen. You really don't | need any instructions. And it does not "overpower" the Telemaster. | Plenty for short take off and climb out but nothing excessive and it | keeps one from having to load the nose up with lead. I never did understand this extreme concern with `overpowering' something. Sure, it can fly in a very non-scale way, and perhaps it can go so fast that the airframe can't take it if you pull back on the stick all the way or something, and perhaps it can fly with a lot less power, but beyond that, what's the problem? Unless you're in a scale competition, I just don't see the problem ... most of us fly for fun, and if flying around with just enough power is fun, great!, and if flying around with 4x as much power as you need is fun, great too! Speaking of being overpowered, I was trying the RFG3 Expansion pack 1's `Hotliner' glider at the hobby store the other day. THAT thing is grossly overpowered! In hand, the simulator said it was drawing 2000 watts at full power (and around 1000 watts in flight), and when you let go it would go straight up at 90 mph! (Or do level flight at 100 mph -- obviously a smaller prop and maybe a higher pitch prop/lower gearbox ratio would be appropriate if you wanted it to be a racer.) Not that this was a problem, but I was just amazed at the performance. I wonder if many people really have planes like that with quite that much power. I guess it makes sense, when your contest only allows 30 seconds of power ... SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us The magic 8-ball says: "Outlook not so good" Bart: Wow, it does work! Doug, I agree with your comments 100%, but one fact you cannot ignore when dealing with "weedeater" conversions is even though you're able to throttle the engine, these small 2-stroke gassers are designed to run at or near their maximum RPM, and will quickly develop carbon problems in the exhaust ports and/or the head, if not allowed to do so. They NEED to run fast to stay clean. So run a low pitch prop to keep the speed within reason, yet keep the RPM up. Your engine will thank you, and the Tele will fly realistically, too Cheers, Bill > | The conversion is rather " res ipsa loquitur" once you get the plastic > | off. Seriously, it's the easiest I have ever seen. You really don't [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > much power. I guess it makes sense, when your contest only allows 30 > seconds of power ... Probably 150 flight on one of these engines and zero problem with carbon buildup. Using decent oil in the fuel mix will take care of all of that. I've always used Valvoline and have no buildup to speak of. Certainly nothing that would in any way hamper operation. When people get buildup they are generally using a "cheaper" oil and far too much of it. Just mix to directions and everything seems to work. I've played with the Ryobi engines. ( too heavy) and for general "stuff" the 18 and 25cc Featherlites seem to be the way to go. > Doug, > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > The magic 8-ball says: "Outlook not so good" > > Bart: Wow, it does work! BTW.....Shop.com has the 18cc Featherlite blower for $54.00 right now. Hard to beat that price for an engine you can literally fly for a decade or more. > Doug, > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > The magic 8-ball says: "Outlook not so good" > > Bart: Wow, it does work! > BTW.....Shop.com has the 18cc Featherlite blower for $54.00 right now. > Hard to beat that price for an engine you can literally fly for a [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > > The magic 8-ball says: "Outlook not so good" > > > Bart: Wow, it does work! I've been watching a lot of people biased against electric flight, i.e. it costs to much, etc. However looking at the EPA post and the apparent noise complaints (RE: Florida Posts) I wouild not be supprised to see that in less time that you think only models that are flown from special locations and on special occasions will glow/gas engines be allowed. Lets face it with lawmakers writing laws to protect us from ourselves (we are a bunch of idiots that don't have sense enough not to go into a resturant that allows smoking if we are non-smokers!) The latest, You can be arrested if you smoke in your car with children present! Just an example of lawmakers going berserk! Better get off my soap box now! PS I'm a non-smoker, however I don't like the rights of other people taken away, cause they will be after my rights next! Roy > I saw that the Senior Telemaster is now avvailable in A.R.F. form and > comes with an electric motor all for $195.00. This sounds like a heck of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Clyde SignatureUsing Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ I am presently flying the Telemaster Electro ARF with the recommended AXI 2816/12 13 X 6.5 E-prop and it is great, particularly with flaps. I'm sure the larger version would be just as good if not better. I was impressed with the building and covering, could have done without the advertising graphics but what do you want for $109 sale price. I don't think there is a better trainer to get back into R/C with or a utility model that can fill many roles. Red S. > I saw that the Senior Telemaster is now avvailable in A.R.F. form and > comes with an electric motor all for $195.00. This sounds like a heck of a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Clyde As others have mentioned, the motor isn't included. Mine is powered by a dirt cheap 3520-7 Tower Pro motor, Electric power 4S 4400mah 15C Lipos( I use two in parallel, but one is adequate, I just like flying 30min between charges) and a Hyperion ESC. If you shop around, you should be able to get the whole power system for about $260 with a name brand ESC, or $225 with a TowerPro. I maidened mine at SEFF this spring and have had a blast with it. PCPhill > I saw that the Senior Telemaster is now avvailable in A.R.F. form and > comes with an electric motor all for $195.00. This sounds like a heck of a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Clyde I'll say again, hard to beat a cheap leaf blower engine ( 59 bucks) and gasoline for fuel for the Telemaster. > As others have mentioned, the motor isn't included. Mine is powered by a > dirt cheap 3520-7 Tower Pro motor, Electric power 4S 4400mah 15C Lipos( I [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > Clyde > I saw that the Senior Telemaster is now avvailable in A.R.F. form and > comes with an electric motor all for $195.00. This sounds like a heck of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Clyde The Senior Telemasterr is a great trainer to have. For beginners I always suggest the Sig Lt. 40 as a trainer with glow. However the Senior Telemaster is a plane that should not be over powered and meant to be a lazy, floating plane that does not get ahead of a new pilot. Still it is something that you want to buddy cord with to get used to the flying habits and approach to landings. The plane just want to keep flying with its big wing area. Doc Ferguson |
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