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hydrogen powered Horten flying-wing

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Ron van Sommeren - 27 Sep 2006 17:52 GMT
Goedendag,

At this years Aspach electric event (South Germany, best, biggest in the
world? http://www.mfg-aspach.de/)

Hydrogen powered Horten flying wing + diy outrunner
Pictures
<http://home.euphonynet.be/nidelectron/album/medium/0103.jpg>
<http://home.euphonynet.be/nidelectron/album/medium/0100.jpg>
<http://home.euphonynet.be/nidelectron/album/medium/0102.jpg>
Videos & tech/development info http://hy-fly.de/

Motor: 10mm outrunner kit from http://www.batt-mann.de
Fuel: iquid hydrogen (99,9%) in two plastic bottles at 10 bar pressure
Stack consists of 12 cells ( http://www.heliocentris.com/)
Stack weight: 1,1kg
Max power: 65Watt, 6Volt, 11Ampère
Wingspan: 2m
Weight: 650gr (empty of course)
Plastic bottles (tested at 20bar) will be replaced by aluminium bottles
(tested at ?? bar)

Vriendelijke groeten ;-) Ron van Sommeren
near Nijmegen, the Netherlands
2007 E-fly-in, Aug.26. http://home.hetnet.nl/~ronvans/
Storm's Hamilton - 27 Sep 2006 19:28 GMT
> Goedendag,
>
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> near Nijmegen, the Netherlands
> 2007 E-fly-in, Aug.26. http://home.hetnet.nl/~ronvans/

That's pretty cool.  Fuel cell?  Help me understand this.
mk
anonymous - 28 Sep 2006 15:09 GMT
> Goedendag,
>
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> Motor: 10mm outrunner kit from http://www.batt-mann.de
> Fuel: iquid hydrogen (99,9%) in two plastic bottles at 10 bar pressure

The fuel is cryogenic?  Like -253 degrees centigrade?  How does
it stay cold?

Or is it just pressurised gas?
--
Anon
Hp - 28 Sep 2006 16:20 GMT
That would be interesting if it was in English.  How many here agree that
English is the language of the world?  Just wondering ,I could be wrong.

>> Goedendag,
>>
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> --
> Anon
Ron van Sommeren - 28 Sep 2006 17:26 GMT
Goedendag (a Dutch word),

I would have posted English/American sites if they existed. No doubt this
German project will sparc some ideas outside of Germany and we'll see
similar sites in the 'language of the world'. Those *&^%$# Germans are just
to modest, they need a Dutchman to spread the word.
Use http://babelfish.altavista.com for online translation (and a good laugh,
automatic translation is far from perfect yet).

Vriendelijke groeten (also Dutch), Ron van Sommeren
near Nijmegen, the Netherlands

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> That would be interesting if it was in English.  How many here agree that
> English is the language of the world?  Just wondering ,I could be wrong.
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>> --
>> Anon
Beav - 28 Sep 2006 21:43 GMT
> Goedendag (a Dutch word),
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Use http://babelfish.altavista.com for online translation (and a good
> laugh, automatic translation is far from perfect yet).

It may not be perfect (far from it, in fact) but it's more fun than some TV
comedy shows:-)

> Vriendelijke groeten (also Dutch), Ron van Sommeren
> near Nijmegen, the Netherlands

I was over in your neck of the woods last month Ron. It rained the whole
time and I couldn't get out quickly enough, although I did try :-) 148mph
along that road they've built in the north of Holland connected to two
peninsulars going to Leeuwarden/Groningen. Water both sides, water coming
down from above and only lightning to illuminate the way:-)

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Beav

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Ron van Sommeren - 28 Sep 2006 22:02 GMT
"Beav" wrote in
> I was over in your neck of the woods last month Ron. It rained the whole
> time ...
We are having lovely weather here in September, somebody up there must have
switched August and September.

> ... and I couldn't get out quickly enough, although I did try :-) 148mph
Good thing the police did not see you, you would have had to hand over your
car to them. Verrrrry stiff fines ...

Vriendelijke groeten ;-) Ron
near Nijmegen, the Netherlands
2007 E-fly-in, Aug.26. http://home.hetnet.nl/~ronvans/
Doug McLaren - 28 Sep 2006 17:36 GMT
| That would be interesting if it was in English.

Try using http://www.google.com/language_tools or
http://babelfish.altavista.com/ to do the conversion for you.  They're
not perfect, but it's often good enough.

| How many here agree that English is the language of the world?

English is perhaps the most commonly used language on Usenet, the
Internet, and the WWW.  If there is a `universal language' for these
things, it would be English.

However, English is *not* the language of the world, and it's
incredibly arrogant for an English speaker to suggest that.

And besides, even if you don't understand the language, you can always
gawk at the pretty pictures!

|  Just wondering ,I could be wrong.

I guess you could ...

| >> Motor: 10mm outrunner kit from http://www.batt-mann.de
| >> Fuel: iquid hydrogen (99,9%) in two plastic bottles at 10 bar pressure
| >
| > The fuel is cryogenic?  Like -253 degrees centigrade?  How does
| > it stay cold?

`10 bar pressure' suggests pressurized gas.

Looks like a fuel cell too.

Neat concept.

| > Or is it just pressurised gas?
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Beav - 28 Sep 2006 21:39 GMT
> That would be interesting if it was in English.

It was pretty interesting in German too.

How many here agree that
> English is the language of the world?

Engllish is an interntaional language, but it's not the language of the
world.

 Just wondering ,I could be wrong.

You could also try learning a 2nd or 3rd language yourself. It's not quite
as easy as you seem to imagine.

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Ron van Sommeren - 28 Sep 2006 19:07 GMT
Goedendag ;-)

It can fly for 6 minutes, it is said somewhere in the videos. At 1,1kg the
fuel cell is pretty heavy, it can be made much lighter.

Full scale developments:
http://www.initiative-brennstoffzelle.de/de/ibz/live/nachrichten/detail/229.html

By the way, the pictures are not mine, they were made by Paul-Henri Tirtiaux
from Belgium. I could not make it, my back is giving me troubles (that's
what you get when you're over 2 meters tall :( ), I could not drive the
450km. Next year ...

Vriendelijke groeten ;-) Ron van Sommeren
near Nijmegen, the Netherlands
2007 E-fly-in, Aug.26. http://home.hetnet.nl/~ronvans/

> Goedendag,
>
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> near Nijmegen, the Netherlands
> 2007 E-fly-in, Aug.26. http://home.hetnet.nl/~ronvans/
Sparky - 28 Sep 2006 19:48 GMT
> Goedendag ;-)
>
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>> near Nijmegen, the Netherlands
>> 2007 E-fly-in, Aug.26. http://home.hetnet.nl/~ronvans/

Is a bar one atmosphere? TIA

Ed Cregger
Ron van Sommeren - 28 Sep 2006 20:30 GMT
Ed Cregger wrote
> Is a bar one atmosphere?
Yes

Vriendelijke groeten ;-) Ron van Sommeren
near Nijmegen, the Netherlands
2007 E-fly-in, Aug.26. http://home.hetnet.nl/~ronvans/
Greg - 28 Sep 2006 23:59 GMT
> Ed Cregger wrote
> > Is a bar one atmosphere?
> Yes

Actually no, a bar is 100,000 Pascal's (the SI unit of pressure), an
atmosphere is 1.013 25 bar chosen as the average sea level pressure in
Paris.

Greg
Abel Pranger - 29 Sep 2006 00:39 GMT
>> Ed Cregger wrote
>> > Is a bar one atmosphere?
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>
>Greg

Damn!  All my calculations were off by 1.325%.  I've got a lot of
errrata to publish.

Abel
Sparky - 29 Sep 2006 03:53 GMT
> Ed Cregger wrote
>> Is a bar one atmosphere?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> near Nijmegen, the Netherlands
> 2007 E-fly-in, Aug.26. http://home.hetnet.nl/~ronvans/

Thanks.

Ed Cregger
Allan - 29 Sep 2006 15:15 GMT
Well, I think the thing is pretty damn good!!

A lot of modellers have enough trouble with their 100 year old technology
engines and 30+ year old technology radio gear.

I think the guy deserves full congratulations and top marks for
inventiveness, skill, knowledge and practical application!

Very well done indeed!

Allan

> Goedendag ;-)
>
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>> near Nijmegen, the Netherlands
>> 2007 E-fly-in, Aug.26. http://home.hetnet.nl/~ronvans/
 
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