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Geoff Sanders - 16 Dec 2006 17:49 GMT Who sells 10mm basswood or hard balsa sticks for use as GWS electric motor mounts? Sure, one can use 3/8" square sticks and shims, but I'd rather have the right size. I've looked at Balsa USA and Lone Star, but no luck. Are there any sources here in the USA?
Scott Hildenbrand - 16 Dec 2006 20:29 GMT > Who sells 10mm basswood or hard balsa sticks for use as GWS electric > motor mounts? Sure, one can use 3/8" square sticks and shims, but I'd > rather have the right size. I've looked at Balsa USA and Lone Star, but > no luck. Are there any sources here in the USA? You try Tower Hobbies? I just did a search on Basswood and it pulled up sticks, sheets and blocks. Standard sizes though, so a mm search won't pull.
Gerrit - 16 Dec 2006 23:33 GMT try www.eflypower.com.au. Comes in 10cm lengths.
they ship everywhere (from asia)
> Who sells 10mm basswood or hard balsa sticks for use as GWS electric motor > mounts? Sure, one can use 3/8" square sticks and shims, but I'd rather > have the right size. I've looked at Balsa USA and Lone Star, but no luck. > Are there any sources here in the USA? Geoff Sanders - 17 Dec 2006 01:45 GMT >try eflypower. Comes in 10cm lengths. Many thanks, Gerrit! Their site won't come up right now, so I'll try later.
> Gerrit - 18 Dec 2006 12:24 GMT Sorry, got over zealous with my .au. Try without the .au. Should have more luck.
>>try eflypower. Comes in 10cm lengths. >> > Many thanks, Gerrit! Their site won't come up right now, so I'll try > later. Gerrit - 18 Dec 2006 12:27 GMT Just try the following link: http://shop.eflypower.com/shop/views.asp?hw_id=155
Sorry for the runaround.
Regards. Gerrit
> Who sells 10mm basswood or hard balsa sticks for use as GWS electric motor > mounts? Sure, one can use 3/8" square sticks and shims, but I'd rather > have the right size. I've looked at Balsa USA and Lone Star, but no luck. > Are there any sources here in the USA? H Davis - 18 Dec 2006 15:51 GMT If you have a WOODCRAFT store near you, they may have what you need in basswood. I was in one of their Chicago area stores yesterday and saw a very nice selection of basswood strips, sheets, and square "rods". Don't know if they had 10mm, however.
Harlan
> Who sells 10mm basswood or hard balsa sticks for use as GWS electric motor > mounts? Sure, one can use 3/8" square sticks and shims, but I'd rather > have the right size. I've looked at Balsa USA and Lone Star, but no luck. > Are there any sources here in the USA? Ledbetter - 18 Dec 2006 17:33 GMT Sport Pilot - 19 Dec 2006 21:12 GMT > If you have a WOODCRAFT store near you, they may have what you need in > basswood. I was in one of their Chicago area stores yesterday and saw a very [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > have the right size. I've looked at Balsa USA and Lone Star, but no luck. > > Are there any sources here in the USA? The last place you would find anything metric in the US is a woodcraft store. Wish people would switch to Metric besides the auto, aviation, and tool industries. I don't know why the average joe wants to hang onto that clunky English system.
H Davis - 19 Dec 2006 22:23 GMT Sport Pilot:
The reason is pretty basic: familiarity. The average Joe relates to the clunky English system because he's been using it for years (and year and years and years).
Harlan
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> The last place you would find anything metric in the US is a woodcraft > store. Wish people would switch to Metric besides the auto, aviation, > and tool industries. I don't know why the average joe wants to hang > onto that clunky English system. Ledbetter - 20 Dec 2006 00:16 GMT Otherwise, how would we know how tall we were, for example
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Geoff Sanders - 20 Dec 2006 02:14 GMT >Sport Pilot: > >The reason is pretty basic: familiarity. The average Joe relates to the >clunky English system because he's been using it for years (and year and >years and years). True. Logic has nothing to do with it. The metric system is much easier, but most of us who were brought up thinking in feet and inches aren't able to think in a decimal way.
For nearly all my working life I've been a mechanic, first with European cars, and now with small engines. I think metrically, so it's automatic when someone asks me for a dimension or setting, I'll give it to them in metrics. The usual response is, "What's that in standard?" Standard? Uhhh, the world has used the metric standard for over a century, and it's rare to find major US manufacturers building to the inch system nowadays, but, as has been said, Joe average doesn't think that way. Perhaps that's one good result of all those ARFs coming from Eastern Europe and China: With all that metric hardware, we'll learn metrics in spite of ourselves! :-)
Now, as regards those 10mm sticks, thanks to you two who found some for me!
Geoff
> > > Sport Pilot - 20 Dec 2006 15:36 GMT > >Sport Pilot: > > [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > --------------060205060700060102090502-- Uhhh, the world has used the metric standard for over a century, and it's rare to find major US manufacturers building to the inch system
Car manufactures now design newer designs in metric, but mods to some older engines will be American Standard. My car has metric head bolts, and other internal bolts, but most external bolts are American Standard. Every now and then you get suprised and find a metric where you don't expect it. I just found out that the thermostat is American Standard, but the bolt that tightens the battery clamp is metric! Sheesh.
Bob Cowell - 20 Dec 2006 17:36 GMT >True. Logic has nothing to do with it. The metric system is much >easier, but most of us who were brought up thinking in feet and inches >aren't able to think in a decimal way. and the common units or measurement in metric are SO much more logical than in English measure, just consider how much more useful the following comparison of rate measurements are in metric. in English measure, we commonly use feet / minute in metric the PREFERRED rate measurement is meters / second.
consider how much easier it is to relate to 0.26924 meters per second than it is to understand 53 feet per minute
Robert Reynolds - 20 Dec 2006 21:04 GMT >> True. Logic has nothing to do with it. The metric system is much >> easier, but most of us who were brought up thinking in feet and inches [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > consider how much easier it is to relate to 0.26924 meters per second than it is > to understand 53 feet per minute That's a good point. Inches and feet were standardized to represent commonly used distances. Leave it to the French to decide that the standard unit of measure should be based on the circumference of the earth, which has great spiritual meaning to the human race but is utterly meaningless in everyday life. Look under the hood of a Peugeot if you want to see some more great French engineering.
The reason why the English measuring system has been so slow to be eradicated is because it makes a lot of practical sense. It satisfies human nature to divide and multiply things by 2, which is something the metric system doesn't do.
As long as we're talking about doing things in a practical way, I think we should pass a law eradicating decimal numbering in general, and replace it with base 8. We can call it the "octimal system". This system would satisfy the desire to have measurements based on multiples of 10 (which would be the next number after 7), as well as the innate human need to multiply and divide by 2. OK, I'm being sarcastic, because I know this would never happen, but it's actually a very good idea. Sometimes I wish that people had been a little bit smarter and started with 8 in the first place. It makes a lot of sense. More people would be good at math.
And while we're at it, let's get rid of the Gregorian calendar and start a new calendar in the new century. We'll call it the Reynoldsian calendar. There are 13 months with 28 days each. Every month begins on a Sunday and ends on a Saturday. Therefore, you don't have to ask what day of the week the 23rd is, it's always a Monday no matter what year or month this is. There would be one day left over to make a complete 365 day year, and it wouldn't be a day of any month or week. It would be New Year's Day. You would go from Saturday, December 28th to New Year's Day, to Sunday, January first. Every four years you would have Leap Day in between June and Robuary. (If Julius and Augustus can name months after themselves, I can, too, because I invented a better calendar.) Now If I could just beat some sense into people's heads and get laws passed to outlaw stupidity, we would all have better lives.
Sport Pilot - 21 Dec 2006 15:07 GMT > >> True. Logic has nothing to do with it. The metric system is much > >> easier, but most of us who were brought up thinking in feet and inches [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > consider how much easier it is to relate to 0.26924 meters per second than it is > > to understand 53 feet per minute Meters per minute would be used in this context. There is no prefered use of either, in fact I have used Feet per Second a lot more than Feet per Minute.
> That's a good point. Inches and feet were standardized to represent > commonly used distances. Leave it to the French to decide that the > standard unit of measure should be based on the circumference of the > earth, The English did the same, ever hear of a knot? It was standardized so that 60 Nauticle Miles to one minute of lattitude. Or one second of lattitude.
> The reason why the English measuring system has been so slow to be > eradicated is because it makes a lot of practical sense. It satisfies > human nature to divide and multiply things by 2, which is something the > metric system doesn't do. ROTFLMAO
Deleted needless rant.
Robert Reynolds - 21 Dec 2006 22:51 GMT >>>> True. Logic has nothing to do with it. The metric system is much >>>> easier, but most of us who were brought up thinking in feet and inches [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Deleted needless rant. Thanks for laughing. It was supposed to be at least a little bit funny. I'll make sure to check with you in the future to determine whether my rants are needed.
Sport Pilot - 22 Dec 2006 13:59 GMT > >>>> True. Logic has nothing to do with it. The metric system is much > >>>> easier, but most of us who were brought up thinking in feet and inches [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > I'll make sure to check with you in the future to determine whether > my rants are needed. LOL Actually I understand some of your pain. I may never get used to the fact that it is very comfortable at 25 degress C. But metric would make engineering calculations easier.
Terence Lynock (CSD) - 22 Dec 2006 16:29 GMT The message <1166795989.381791.203240@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com> from "Sport Pilot" <hppilot001@cs.com> contains these words:
> I may never get used to > the fact that it is very comfortable at 25 degress C. Wish it was 25C here, its 0C with heavy frost and most of the airports in the southern UK are at a standstill because of fog, just what we needed with the holiday coming up,
regards, Terry
Sport Pilot - 22 Dec 2006 19:43 GMT > The message <1166795989.381791.203240@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com> > from "Sport Pilot" <hppilot001@cs.com> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > regards, > Terry Flew in 22C weather last weekend! I think it was about 20C Saturday and 22 Sunday!
Near Atlanta Georgia.
Terence Lynock (MSW) - 22 Dec 2006 22:30 GMT The message <1166816598.284767.233440@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> from "Sport Pilot" <hppilot001@cs.com> contains these words:
> Flew in 22C weather last weekend! I think it was about 20C Saturday > and 22 Sunday!
> Near Atlanta Georgia. Parts of the UK had so much frost it looked like a layer of snow, early this morning at half light everything around here including the trees were white and although it did look very festive it was bloody cold!, wife set off to visit the son who lives about 150 miles away in South Wales and turned back as the south west was solid with traffic crawling around in the fog and the train services are overflowing with people who are trying to get where they want to go but so many flights have been cancelled they have taken to the trains and roads instead. The main route from London to South Wales and Cardiff is the M4 and it is suicidal at the best of times but today has brought a new high in congestion and traffic jams, hopefully things will start to improve around mid day tomorrow but we are not holding our breath,
regards, Terry
Geoff Sanders - 23 Dec 2006 01:58 GMT º
>LOL Actually I understand some of your pain. I may never get used to >the fact that it is very comfortable at 25 degress C. But metric >would make engineering calculations easier. Would you call your wife/girlfriend "frigid" if she had a temperature of 37ºC? That's equal to 98.6ºF, but it sure sounds cool! :-)
> Six_O'Clock_High - 23 Dec 2006 16:46 GMT ROFLOL!
Somehow I don't think the term 'frigid' in that context has anything to do with measurable temperature. I guess you could go take her temperature and report back, with whatever she left alive...
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Sport Pilot wrote:
LOL Actually I understand some of your pain. I may never get used to the fact that it is very comfortable at 25 degress C. But metric would make engineering calculations easier. Would you call your wife/girlfriend "frigid" if she had a temperature of 37ºC? That's equal to 98.6ºF, but it sure sounds cool! :-)
Sport Pilot - 20 Dec 2006 15:31 GMT > Sport Pilot: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > and tool industries. I don't know why the average joe wants to hang > > onto that clunky English system. BS, Average joe doesn't know much about the system past 12 inches per foot, 36 inches per yard, 3 feet per yard, how many quarts per gallon, a few just might know how many feet per mile or ounces per quart. Few know how many ounces per gallon. I can never remember how many sq feet per Acre, or how many pounds per gallon. With metric its easy, just multiply or devide in multiples of ten. Someone needs to step up to the plate and legislate the English system out of existance. Before NASA confuses their systems again!
Bob Cowell - 20 Dec 2006 17:23 GMT >BS, Average joe doesn't know much about the system past 12 inches per >foot, 36 inches per yard, 3 feet per yard, how many quarts per gallon, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the plate and legislate the English system out of existance. Before >NASA confuses their systems again! going strictly from memory, there are 128 ounces per gallon US 160 ounces per gallon UK there are 43560 sq feet / acre 640 acres per sq mile approximately 8 pounds of water per gallon, and pretty close to 8 gallons per cubic foot there are 5280 feet per mile or 63360 inches per mile
the square root 0f 2 is roughly 1.414 the square root of 3 is roughly 1.732 pi is approximately 1.4142654 or 22/7
we got no megas millis kilos, everything rates it's own name, it's really not any harder than learning to add or subtract or multiply numbers, AND as an added benefit, your brain doesn't get all flabby from dealing only with 10 and multiples of 10
not to say anything about NOT NEEDING yet another law restricting what types of measurement people are allowed to use
average Joe here
Ed Cregger - 20 Dec 2006 20:09 GMT >>BS, Average joe doesn't know much about the system past 12 inches per >>foot, 36 inches per yard, 3 feet per yard, how many quarts per gallon, [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > average Joe here -------------
I first encountered the metric system in the Sixties while learning electronics. I have been a convert ever since.
Do you suppose that the too making industry lobbyists have been super successful at dragging out our conversion (US) to metric so long? After all, they stand to sell the mechanically inclined two full tool sets as things are today? <G>
Ed Cregger
Bob Cowell - 20 Dec 2006 22:51 GMT > the square root 0f 2 is roughly 1.414 > the square root of 3 is roughly 1.732 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Ed Cregger Actually. I got out of the mechanic business when they started shoving metrification down our throats.
With something approximating the price of a factory fresh T-Bird wrapped up in tools already, I was REAL reluctant to start duplicating a portion of my tools just to satisfy some pencil-pushing politician ;-)
and, I just noticed that I fat fingered a 1 where a 3 should have been for the value of pi any self respecting redneck would know that pi are round, cornbread are square.
Terence Lynock (MSW) - 21 Dec 2006 00:40 GMT The message <a8fjo21k3irhr5ogoissd9ch9o0e5r6pe2@4ax.com> from Bob Cowell <bobc@kdsi.net> contains these words:
> I just noticed that I fat fingered a 1 where a 3 should have been for the > value of pi > any self respecting redneck would know that pi are round, cornbread > are square. Only a little bit out Bob, the pi's I like are the deep kind full of black cherries and a little hole in the top to pour bourbon into then let it sit for a half hour wrapped in a towel then served with fresh cream,
regards, Terry
H Davis - 21 Dec 2006 03:26 GMT > The message <a8fjo21k3irhr5ogoissd9ch9o0e5r6pe2@4ax.com> > from Bob Cowell <bobc@kdsi.net> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > regards, Terry Oh, I wish you hadn't said that! Now I'm going to have to give that a shot....er, try.
Harlan
Lyman Slack - 21 Dec 2006 12:06 GMT Here in Cracker Country of Florida, pi = 3.14159265
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>> the square root 0f 2 is roughly 1.414 >> the square root of 3 is roughly 1.732 >> pi is approximately 1.4142654 or 22/7 Terence Lynock (MSW) - 21 Dec 2006 12:32 GMT The message <GMuih.4960$cB6.2827@bignews7.bellsouth.net> from "Lyman Slack" <lyslack@bellsouth.net> contains these words:
> Here in Cracker Country of Florida, pi = 3.14159265 Here in the UK us ship model builders have to be pretty accurate, its 3.14159265358979323846264 or thereabouts but when I am bnilding model aircraft I use the much more accurate T.A.C.E system of measurement (Thats About Close Enough)........;-),
regards, Terry
Bill Sheppard - 21 Dec 2006 14:41 GMT .And what if the concept of zero had never been invented and we were still stuck in the Roman numeral system? (-:
Bill(oc)
Terence Lynock (MSW) - 21 Dec 2006 17:13 GMT The message <783-458A9D1C-720@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> from oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) contains these words:
> ..And what if the concept of zero had never been invented and we were > still stuck in the Roman numeral system? (-:
> Bill(oc) I think some government departments still are, in the Uk our fluid measurment is different to the US, a pint is 20 fluid ounces and a gallon is 8 pints so a gallon weighs ten pounds, a litre is 1.76 pints so there are 4.54 litres to the gallon and the Brit government now makes it illegal to sell fluids by anything but Metric measurement, talk about a mixed-up world we live in.
regards, Terry
Sport Pilot - 21 Dec 2006 15:12 GMT > >BS, Average joe doesn't know much about the system past 12 inches per > >foot, 36 inches per yard, 3 feet per yard, how many quarts per gallon, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > approximately 8 pounds of water per gallon, and pretty close to 8 gallons per > cubic foot So you don't know that one, I have to look it up myself. Original one fluid ounce of water was to be one ounce of weight which would make it exactly 8 pounds per gallon, but someone some where changed this.
> there are 5280 feet per mile or 63360 inches per mile > > the square root 0f 2 is roughly 1.414 > the square root of 3 is roughly 1.732 > pi is approximately 1.4142654 or 22/7 WoW, don't know if you have good memory or a good calculator.
> we got no megas millis kilos, > everything rates it's own name, Which is stupid and hard to remember.
> it's really not any harder than learning to add or subtract or multiply numbers, > AND as an added benefit, > your brain doesn't get all flabby from dealing only with 10 and multiples of 10 > > not to say anything about NOT NEEDING yet another law restricting what types of > measurement people are allowed to use They can use whatever they want, its commercial applications which would be affected.
Terence Lynock (MSW) - 21 Dec 2006 00:22 GMT The message <VcWdnbPfz43M-xXYnZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@wideopenwest.com> from "H Davis" <hdavis@REMOVEwowway.com> contains these words:
> The reason is pretty basic: familiarity. The average Joe relates to the > clunky English system because he's been using it for years (and year and > years and years).
> Harlan I live in the UK and grew up with the Imperial measure but the UK adopted the metric system around 1970, must admit it is easier and a little more accurate but as I am usually working from plans that may be as much as 300 years old of sailing vessels I have to use both. The problems start with contemporary plans from Spain, France or Scandinavia as they had their own forms of measurement so I have to convert from their system to Imperial then relate that to the metric system because all materials bought from suppliers or shops is in metric form so things tend to get a bit complicated at times,
regards, Terry
Geoff Sanders - 21 Dec 2006 03:45 GMT > I have to >convert from their system to Imperial then relate that to the metric >system because all materials bought from suppliers or shops is in metric >form so things tend to get a bit complicated at times, And I thought it was confusing trying to figure out the old British Standard fastener sizes! Yikes!!! The first Volvos brought into the USA had SU carburetters (British Standard fittings) Bosch generators (metric fittings) and SAE drivetrain bolts. I had to have THREE sets of tools back then. BTW, for those of you not aware of it, the British haven't always measured their bolts in even fractions. iFor instance, a 1/4BS bolt had a 15/32" head, IIRC.
I've experienced such stuff with European aircraft plans. British plans call for a specific gauge of wire or sheet metal, whereas we in the USA would specify diameter in fractions and thickness in thousanths of an inch.
Mercy, me, look at all the fuss I've created, just because I wanted some 10mm square stock! :-[
Geoff, who has ten fingers and ten toes, so finds the decimal system easy
Robert Reynolds - 21 Dec 2006 06:07 GMT >> I have to >> convert from their system to Imperial then relate that to the metric [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Geoff, who has ten fingers and ten toes, so finds the decimal system easy I still say you would find base 8 easier if you had started with it. When I worked as an aircraft mechanic, on the wall in every hangar bay was a conversion chart for decimals and common fractions. Decimals follow the "counting by tens" method, which is why we specify .062 aluminum, for instance, whereas "common fractions" are common because of the human tendency to divide by 2 over and over, yielding 1/16" for the same piece of aluminum.
There's nothing inherently easy about counting 10. It just happens to be the number of digits we have on our hands. However, counting by 8 would be inherently logical and easy. 1/4 would be .2, 1/2 would be .4, and 3/4 would be .6. What we know as 1/16 would become 1/20 in base 8, which would be the same thing as .04. It's quite intuitively obvious, unlike those crazy decimal/fraction conversion charts. In base 8, "common fractions" and decimals (or octimals) would be the same thing. Sometimes I wish that I could see how the world would be different with base 8 math. I believe that if that counting method were standard, everybody would find basic math quite obvious and simple. And we probably would never have had quite so many different measuring systems.
Sport Pilot - 21 Dec 2006 15:18 GMT > >> I have to > >> convert from their system to Imperial then relate that to the metric [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > everybody would find basic math quite obvious and simple. And we > probably would never have had quite so many different measuring systems. IMO I like Base 16 better. Shorter numbers.
Sport Pilot - 21 Dec 2006 15:21 GMT > >> I have to > >> convert from their system to Imperial then relate that to the metric [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > everybody would find basic math quite obvious and simple. And we > probably would never have had quite so many different measuring systems. Should have added that base 8 and 16 are fairly common in the computer industy, many computer scientests and engineers can easily convert binary to octal and hexadecemil.
Terence Lynock (MSW) - 21 Dec 2006 12:47 GMT The message <12ok0m799oegb0b@corp.supernews.com> from Geoff Sanders <geoffs@hevanet.com> contains these words:
> iFor instance, a 1/4BS bolt had a 15/32" > head, IIRC. The thread diameter would be the 1/4 and 15/32 the head across the flats I think, I used to buy AF (Across Flats) tool sets as they were particularly useful although not a perfect fit in many cases, I could understand UNF, Whitworth, BSW and even Metric but BA sizes take some understanding if you havnt had much experience of them before, the BA system as you may know doesnt give a diameter but goes by a number i.e 2BA or 6BA or whatever so if possible I stick to Metric sizes as the taps and dies are much cheaper,
regards, Terry
Paul Ryan - 31 Dec 2006 04:18 GMT > Mercy, me, look at all the fuss I've created, just because I wanted some > 10mm square stock! :-[ > > Geoff, who has ten fingers and ten toes, so finds the decimal system easy Geoff (or as we'd say here "stateside"- Jeff):
Just make it easy on yourself- get a table saw of a size suitable to your workspace, and cut your stock yourself- it solves all the problems with systems of units, and supplies of stock. They're also useful making field boxes, home improvement projects and on and on- Remember- I'm on your side- Paul
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