KOH you mean, not that it matters in this conversation.
But why don't we see this on the +ve side? Is it due to the construction of
the cells that leakage happens on the -ve side?
MJD
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> KOH you mean, not that it matters in this conversation.
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> But why don't we see this on the +ve side? Is it due to the construction
> of
> the cells that leakage happens on the -ve side?
Don't mean to shatter your universe here.. but you can get black wire
corrosion on any negative wire on a DC circuit that's had the exposed part
of the wire exposed to moisture.
Motorcycles get it in their rear light and indicator earth wiring, the wires
that are about the furthest away from the battery on the bike.. and it's a
lead acid battery on the bike not ni-cads... well some are sealed gell
cells,
but i'm just trying to say black wire corrosion is not exclusive amoungst
modelers who use ni-cad batteries,
i've had it on vehicle trailer sockets, sensor wires on engines, the wiring
from a cheap solar panel,
it's always the negative wire that's affected, and in all cases the wires
connections had been exposed to moisture, on motorcycles it's the rear light
assembly, and on cars the trailer socket assembly as they are behind the
rear wheels and thus get all the road spray,
the solar panel wasnt sealed underneath, so moisture got to it easily.
funfly3 - 30 Jan 2007 19:23 GMT
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> the solar panel wasnt sealed underneath, so moisture got to it easily.
just curious is this also a ploy by car manufactures to rot cars away
quicker by changing to - earth
Barry Lennox - 31 Jan 2007 01:53 GMT
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>the solar panel wasnt sealed underneath, so moisture got to it easily.
I would agree 100%. In the 40+ years I have been fooling with
electronics, I see it in a number of applications, not just NiCd and
NiMH driven. Marine, vehicle, some aircraft, and even techs in the
telephone industry have told me about it.
The common (ish) denonimators seen to be batteries (of any chemistry)
moisture, time and PVC-covered wire. Although not exclusively.
There is an obscure MIL-STD (or may have been HDBK) that I can no
longer find on aerospace wiring that either banned, or severly
restricted PVC covered wire. The main reason was that PVC burns giving
off toxic gases, but a secondary reason was that under some
conditions, chlorine and the plasticiser can leach out of the
insulation, combining with moisture to generate corrosive compounds. I
think that is the most likely reason. I'd presume electrochemistry
explains why we only see it on the negative lead.
Until somebody comes up with a foolproof way of stopping it, the easy
detection method is to use transparent insulation on the negative
lead.
Barry Lennox
The Natural Philosopher - 31 Jan 2007 02:41 GMT
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> Barry Lennox
That IS interesting..heat and or light breaking down PVC to give
chlorine->Hcl->CuCl.
Under electrochemical action..
I think that may be the correct answer.
Except that copper chloride goes green usually..when wet..when dry it
can be brownish apparently..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper(II)_chloride
There is definitely a directive in UK housing regs to keep polystyrene
insulation clear of PVC cabling. That allegedly causes the PVC to
degrade pretty fast.