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Terence Lynock (MSW) - 24 Apr 2007 12:01 GMT
Hi Folks,
               so just how does a V tail work and how are they
controlled? I know you need a mixer but does this mean two servos
working like twin rudders or are they opposed? cant quite envisage how
they work and are controlled, may need to use one on a 5 foot span model
of a Red Kite (bird of prey) which has taken my interest,

                                    regards,        Terry
Robert Reynolds - 24 Apr 2007 14:26 GMT
> Hi Folks,
>                 so just how does a V tail work and how are they
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>
>                                      regards,        Terry      

In the olden days a sliding tray was used to control a V tail.  One
servo was mounted in the sliding tray and connected to the tail via
pushrods in the same way you generally mount an aileron servo.  This was
the rudder servo.  The other servo was connected to the tray to move it
fore and aft for elevator control.

Most of the high end radios have V tail mixing where you just plug two
servos into two channels, and you tell the radio that it's a V tail and
it does its thing automatically.
MJKolodziej - 24 Apr 2007 15:41 GMT
>> Hi Folks,
>>                 so just how does a V tail work and how are they
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> servos into two channels, and you tell the radio that it's a V tail and it
> does its thing automatically.

What he said, there's also an after market device you can buy for a
non-computer radio to make it do V-tail.  Anyone remember who made this?
mk
Victoria Heisner - 24 Apr 2007 16:57 GMT
In quatrain 5-97, Nostradamus predicted that on Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:41:04
+0000, in message <4GoXh.4685$j63.3520@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
MJKolodziej would say:

> there's also an after market device you can buy for a
> non-computer radio to make it do V-tail.  Anyone remember who made this?
> mk

Dubro: http://www.shopatron.com/product/product_id=DUB215/101.0

HTH,
Vicki
Doug McLaren - 24 Apr 2007 17:03 GMT
| What he said, there's also an after market device you can buy for a
| non-computer radio to make it do V-tail.  Anyone remember who made this?

There's lots of them out there.

Here's a few --

  http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHHS3
  http://www.lynxmotion.com/Product.aspx?productID=464&CategoryID=44
  http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXELT4
  http://www.fmadirect.com/detail.htm?item=1396&section=52

and there's many more.

And if you wanted to do it in your TX, you could do something like
this --

  http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/gadgets/mixer.htm

though if you wanted elevon mixing on a mode 2 TX (where both channels
are on the same stick) you could just rotate the stick 45 degrees.
(Of course, then it wouldn't feel right -- I'd suggest just doing it
electronically.)

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Jarhead - 25 Apr 2007 02:28 GMT
| >> Hi Folks,
| >>                 so just how does a V tail work and how are they
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
| non-computer radio to make it do V-tail.  Anyone remember who made this?
| mk

There have been several electronic mixers advertised in the R/C
magazines over the years. A Yahoo search turned up this one:
http://www.veetail.com/  And this one:
http://www.robotcombat.com/marketplace_rc-acces.html

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Dan_Thomas_nospam@yahoo.com - 24 Apr 2007 16:14 GMT
On Apr 24, 5:01 am, Terence Lynock (MSW)
<modelshipwrig...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>                 so just how does a V tail work and how are they
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>                                      regards,        Terry      

           With the two angles surfaces, up elevator is both up, down
is both down. The net forces are vertical. Left yaw is left surface
down and right surface up, and the net force is tail right. Right yaw
has left surface up and the right one down, so that the net force is
tail left. If we apply up elevator and right rudder, the right surface
won't move and the left one will rise, forcing the tail down and to
the left, producing a climbing righ turn, which is what we asked for.
            These airplanes are a little less stable in yaw than
their three-surface cousins, but it might be noticeable only in
turbulence. I've flown a Bonanza and noticed no unusual yaw, though
some who fly long distances say it'll "hunt" a bit.
            In full-scale airplanes like the Bonanza or Davis DA-2
there's a mechanical mixer that takes the rudder pedal and control
column inputs and mixes them to produce two outputs for the tail. Once
you see these things they're easy to understand.  In models the two
servos are fed appropriate signals from the receiver, which is a lot
simpler and lighter than a mechanical mixer.

          Dan
Trefor - 24 Apr 2007 19:06 GMT
Yes, make sure you get it right, I had my rudder control set to the aileron
stick on the TX (It just seemed easier)
On it's maiden flight I checked the controls viewing them as ailerons. I
even  got someone else to confirm OK. They were, of course,
reversed....BANG!!

Trefor

>            With the two angles surfaces, up elevator is both up, down
> is both down. The net forces are vertical. Left yaw is left surface
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>
>           Dan
Trefor - 25 Apr 2007 09:27 GMT
I should have mentioned, this was a 3 channel (no ailerons) electric glider

Trefor

> Yes, make sure you get it right, I had my rudder control set to the
> aileron stick on the TX (It just seemed easier)
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>
> Trefor
wrote8 - 27 Apr 2007 21:44 GMT
> Hi Folks,
>                so just how does a V tail work and how are they
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>                                     regards,        Terry
 
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