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Charging a 12V fieldbox battery while using the box

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Stefan Pettersen - 27 May 2007 20:02 GMT
Hi guys. Anyone know if it's possible to charge a fieldbox battery while at
the same time drawing current from said battery to power a Triton charger?
Would you damage the charger or the battery?
I have two types of chargers for my fieldbox battery, one gives a green
light when fully charged and is of a compact type, the other is a fairly
large charger with a needle that indicates current.  It too seems to reduce
current when battery is full.

Stefan Pettersen
Abel Pranger - 27 May 2007 21:57 GMT
>Hi guys. Anyone know if it's possible to charge a fieldbox battery while at
>the same time drawing current from said battery to power a Triton charger?
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>Stefan Pettersen

I do it all the time, using a 12V Pb battery always connected to a
float charger to supply various chargers.  If the Triton charger is
okay with a 13.8 V supply, and it would be a poor design if not,  it
should work fine too.

Abel
Stefan Pettersen - 27 May 2007 22:23 GMT
> >Hi guys. Anyone know if it's possible to charge a fieldbox battery while at
> >the same time drawing current from said battery to power a Triton charger?
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> Abel

Thanks.  I've examined my charger and suspect that it is a float charger,
but it doesn't say.  How can you tell if it is?  It has a red LED when
charging and a green when full.  Does that make it a float charger?

Stefan Pettersen
OldPhart - 28 May 2007 03:24 GMT
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I have a true float charger for my sailplane winch battery. It says it
switches to float mode when the battery is charged. Looking at the
charts it drops back to 2.15 vdc per cell when in float mode and it is
2.35 vdc (or more) in charge mode. I doubt you need to worry about
battery sulfation for the short periods that you charge in the field. Is
your field battery a sealed gel type or a wet motorcycle or lawn tractor
type?

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Stefan Pettersen - 28 May 2007 07:30 GMT
It's a gel type :)

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Abel Pranger - 28 May 2007 03:28 GMT
>I've examined my charger and suspect that it is a float charger,
>but it doesn't say.  How can you tell if it is?  It has a red LED when
>charging and a green when full.  Does that make it a float charger?

Stefan-

Float chargers put out a small constant current that is intended to
make up for the normal self-discharge of wet or gel cell batteries
during storage or infrequent use.  It has the advantage of maintaining
charge without boiling off the electrolyte, as the usual rapid
chargers do when left connected for extended periods.  It's a trade
off - I am using a 17AH gel cell that was salvage from a motorized
bicycle factory that tanked, and the float charger keeps it ready for
as often as I use it for charging R/C and E-flite batteries, a couple
of times a week. The advantage is the operation is set it up and
forget it.  Easier than using a normal Pb battery charger that needs
to be turned on periodically to recharge the gell cell.  OTOH, it
wouldn't work well under the demands of a greater duty cycle.
Actually, I keep in the garage where it is convenient for charging
batteries in larger models I don't want to lug to the shop, and use a
workhorse 20 A benchtop power supply in my shop for most charging. The
$15 gel cell battery and $5 (at Harbor Freight) float charger make a
power supply for R/C chargers at a price that's hard to beat, though.
Oh, your charger with the green LED is not likely a float charger, as
the float charger's job is never done - they charge continuously at
the same rate until disconnected from the AC source.

Abel
Stefan Pettersen - 28 May 2007 07:36 GMT
Thanks for your reply.  I guess it's not a float charger then.   But for my
use it would probably be best with the charger I have since I was thinking
of hooking up the charger to the battery while I do cycling of packs with my
Triton.  A flot charger would then not supply enough power to keep my
gel-cell topped off while in use I guess?

> >I've examined my charger and suspect that it is a float charger,
> >but it doesn't say.  How can you tell if it is?  It has a red LED when
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 27 May 2007 22:39 GMT
>Hi guys. Anyone know if it's possible to charge a fieldbox battery while at
>the same time drawing current from said battery to power a Triton charger?
>Would you damage the charger or the battery?

Another poster has indicated that it works OK.

There are a couple of guys at my field who have
solar panels that charge their fieldbox battery
continuously.  It must be a fairly small current,
but if you're out all day, it may help keep the
battery topped off.

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Red Scholefield - 27 May 2007 22:44 GMT
It should be no problem at all, just make sure that there is no way the
battery can become disconnected and leave your charger connected to the Lead
Acid charger by itself.  That might let the smoke out of your Triton.  Lots
of people use a lead acid battery constantly hooked to a charger for a 12
volt source in their work shop.
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Stefan Pettersen - 27 May 2007 23:07 GMT
Thanks for the help :)

> It should be no problem at all, just make sure that there is no way the
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