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Modded SH gear track beautifully, then I killed it.

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DaveH - 25 Jun 2007 20:06 GMT
I think I did a split S, a few rolls, and lost orientation

It hit ground at very high velocity, almost perfectly vertical.
Confetti, with a 20 foot debri field.  It is finished.

The good news is that I removed the toe-in and set the wheels back and
it rolled beautifully. It does not roll at all any more.

Thanks to all who helped with all aspects of getting it back into the
air.
Regards,
Dave
MJKolodziej - 25 Jun 2007 21:28 GMT
>I think I did a split S, a few rolls, and lost orientation
>
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> Regards,
> Dave

Sounds like you had a little fun first.  Sorry to hear Dave.
I broke my profile Katana in half yesterday.I was about  20' high  vertical
when the engine quit.  Can't blame anyone.
http://tinyurl.com/2x7nbv
Put that new engine is one of these, it's just about right for this.
mk
H Davis - 26 Jun 2007 03:17 GMT
> Sounds like you had a little fun first.  Sorry to hear Dave.
> I broke my profile Katana in half yesterday.I was about  20' high
> vertical when the engine quit.  Can't blame anyone.
> http://tinyurl.com/2x7nbv
> Put that new engine is one of these, it's just about right for this.
> mk

MK:

Sorry to hear about your Katana. I've been looking at that plane on Ebay for
a few months, but the comments regarding the weakness of the wing scares me
off every time I become serious about it. Can you please comment on the
strength of the wing and what, if anything, you did to improve its strength?

I'd also like your comments regarding the way the plane flew, in general.
Was it what you hoped for?

Harlan
MJKolodziej - 26 Jun 2007 16:24 GMT
>> Sounds like you had a little fun first.  Sorry to hear Dave.
>> I broke my profile Katana in half yesterday.I was about  20' high
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>
> Harlan

I really like this plane and have another waiting to be built.  The wing
isn't where I had problems, it's the wing saddle that is weak.  I wicked in
lots of CA to strengthen it. It's built really light and I love the airfoil.
The Accel Katana can do anything. When it went in I was doing very slow
approaches with vertical recovery.  Had been practicing knife edge loops.
It's very wild with full throws but can be mild also.  Slows down to a walk
to land.  My wing is now in good shape but the fuse is in half.  Mine cost
under $100 but I bid on one yesterday to $100 (with shipping) and missed by
a couple of $.  The spins and snaps are really wild!  It'll do things my
thumbs can't.  Fun to practice hovering with too.
mk
H Davis - 26 Jun 2007 21:58 GMT
>> I'd also like your comments regarding the way the plane flew, in general.
>> Was it what you hoped for?
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> too.
> mk

MK

Thanks for your comments regarding the wing on the Katana. I'll lay off
bidding on the Katana until you get your next one. I usually snipe my bids
on Ebay. If you like, drop me an e-mail hinting at your eBay account name,
and I'll back off when I see you are bidding.

Mine is easy to identify, since its much like my sign in here.

Harlan
DaveH - 26 Jun 2007 18:33 GMT
>>I think I did a split S, a few rolls, and lost orientation
>>
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>Put that new engine is one of these, it's just about right for this.
>mk
The engine is a dirt packed mess I'm afraid MK. Nothing appears to be
cracked or broken. Possibly salvagable; but it was the first thing to
strike the ground.  

That Katana does look perfect. Nice looking plane.
Dave
Robert Reynolds - 25 Jun 2007 21:54 GMT
> I think I did a split S, a few rolls, and lost orientation
>
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> Regards,
> Dave

If it's any consolation, at least you don't have to decide whether to
rebuild it or not.
DaveH - 26 Jun 2007 01:46 GMT
>I think I did a split S, a few rolls, and lost orientation
>
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>Regards,
>Dave

Thanks for the sympathy guys! Welp, that's the way this hobby goes--if
you can't take the crashes--it's not for you.

So...since I now have no planes at all. I must build again. I don't
know that I can bring myself to "build" an ARF, so it will probably be
a kit.

Maybe it's time for that CG Ultimate, maybe a Bridi product, Not sure.

Always a bit skiddish after destroying a plane. But we must fly again.

There is a semi-interesting postscript to all of this: I don't think
I'm crazy about SK Engines. The SK 80 ran fine (now mud packed), but
the Tower 75--in retrospect--was much more powerful.  The SK with big
props had fine power and is well behaved, but the TH 75 with an APC
12x6 hauled that thing with firey authority.

Of course, engine selection is utterly dependent on application, but
the TH 75--if that slobbering midrange could only be tamed---is a
fire-cracker. I know some guys have tamed that midrange, interestingly
in some cases with an SK90 carb, others with skill, or whatever.  

Well, finally, one thing is true: this hobby stimulates the
mind--always a good thing.
Dave
Robert Reynolds - 26 Jun 2007 05:25 GMT
>> I think I did a split S, a few rolls, and lost orientation
>>
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>
> Maybe it's time for that CG Ultimate, maybe a Bridi product, Not sure.

Can you still get Bridi kits?  I haven't seen a lot of good kits out
there lately.
Ed Cregger - 26 Jun 2007 07:01 GMT
>>> I think I did a split S, a few rolls, and lost orientation
>>>
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> Can you still get Bridi kits?  I haven't seen a lot of good kits out there
> lately.

---------------

Yes, Bluejay Models is kitting many of the not too old Bridi kits and others
have been at it as well. A Google search for Bridi kits should show up a few
here and there.

Go to the Senior Pattern Association website and you'll find references to
companies that are making them presently.

I have many of the collected. I wish someone would rekit the original Kaos,
my favorite of all of the Bridi kits. I did manage to win one off eBay, but
it cost me a good price. I also have the original and the GP Super Kaos (.60
size) and a couple of Dirty Birdy kits, plus some of Joe's giant scale kits
that he made in his later years. Nothing flies like a Bridi kit.

Ed Cregger
Robert Reynolds - 26 Jun 2007 08:27 GMT
> I have many of the collected. I wish someone would rekit the original Kaos,
> my favorite of all of the Bridi kits. I did manage to win one off eBay, but
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>
> Ed Cregger

I built a Super Kaos 60 from the RCM plans.  What a plane!  I sold it to
a friend a few years ago, and I need to build another one.
Morgans - 27 Jun 2007 06:54 GMT
> Of course, engine selection is utterly dependent on application, but
> the TH 75--if that slobbering midrange could only be tamed---is a
> fire-cracker.

Is the one that comes on it a one or two needle carb?

If it is a two needle, I'll bet the old Fox needle modification would work
on it!
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Jim in NC

MJKolodziej - 27 Jun 2007 18:26 GMT
>> Of course, engine selection is utterly dependent on application, but
>> the TH 75--if that slobbering midrange could only be tamed---is a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> If it is a two needle, I'll bet the old Fox needle modification would work
> on it!

Care to elaborate?
:)
mk
Morgans - 28 Jun 2007 12:15 GMT
> Care to elaborate?

Is it a two needle carb?

Many people hated Fox engines a while back, because they could not get
reliable runs, usually with the midrange too rich.  Fox has a procedure in
the owners manual to adjust that.

You check the high speed needle in a drill, and take some sandpaper, and
round out the shoulder of the taper; that is where the angle meets the
straight part of the shaft on the needle, or round out the tip.  I can't
remember which is which, since it has been 15 years since I have done it.

Theory is that when the throttle is partly advanced, it lets fuel through in
the right amount better.  Google for it, and you will find it, I'll bet, or
perhaps someone will post it that remembers it correctly.

At any rate, if you do it carefully, you can get a perfect midrange and
transition.  You do have to be careful to not remove too much, or you will
be buying a new needle.  Don't ask me how I know that!
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Jim in NC

 
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