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learned yet another lesson in flying (noob post)

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walter - 26 Aug 2007 22:26 GMT
dont fly in winds heavier than you plane can handle!  sure everyone
knows this, but you dont Know it 'til you learn it for yourself!

the day dawned perfect...sunny w/ a touch of a breeze from the west.
i've been itching to fly as my simulator stick time has really started
to add up and i can fly pretty much how i want.  now i needed to
validate that in the real world.

head out to the field w/ my eindecker park flyer (geared 280, 11oz
AUW). winds feel a good deal more firm than earlier, hmmm...but my
desire to fly overrides reason and i throw caution to the wind (pun!).

get her airborne and once i clear the trees (say 100') my plane gets
tossed around like a rag-doll.  i regain enough control to get out of
the wind, but that cuts into my "safety" altitude that any noob
needs.  altitude vs. calm winds...i'm balancing on a razors edge!

i actually get things going fairly well...probably airborne a good 5+
minutes, get confident, and venture out of my calm air pocket...and my
rag doll gets tossed some more.  i'm weaving too and fro, often
struggling for control.  and after a bit my luck runs out, and she
goes in before i can regain control

fuselage is trashed (it's constructed of *really* light foam).  good
thing is the wing, tailplane and all the hard bits are fine.  i can
throw together a new fuse w/ blue foam sheet and i'll be back in
business in no time!

flying is good!
mjc13<REMOVETHIS> - 26 Aug 2007 23:37 GMT
> dont fly in winds heavier than you plane can handle!  sure everyone
> knows this, but you dont Know it 'til you learn it for yourself!
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>
> flying is good!

   You did a heck of a lot better than me on my first outing! I had the
nose crushed before I even got the hang of hand-launching. That first
pusher-glider lasted only a few outings, and only spent a total of about
3 minutes flying.

   Wind is what got my second plane, a Hobbyzone Scout. I figured that
since I was in a field I'd be ok, but the wind just took this little
plane and sent it in a huge loop up, over my head, behind me, and
stright down to the dirt shoulder of the nearby road, nose-first. It
*seemed* to have only minor damage, but on the next outing the tail boom
snapped on the first hard landing - which was also the first launch -
and despite numerous efforts to fix it, the plane won't fly. I've been
sticking to those cheap, tough, more wind-resistant "Vulcan" gliders you
may have seen on Ebay, and had much better luck with them, defects
aside. I've had flights of 6-8 minutes at nearly 100', and when
conditions are right the planes will soar in a gentle oval with the
motors off for up to 45 seconds without losing a huge amount of
altitude. I've flown them in wind up to 10mph, but the sight and sound
of the whole airframe *flapping* in the wind on turns doesn't appeal to me.

   I just bought another one on Ebay, and just repaired the latest nose
damage to the replacement model (aka "B-4 Stealth"), which is inferior
to the original "Vulcan." I hope to fly again tomorrow.
walter - 27 Aug 2007 01:29 GMT
oh, this wasnt my 1st outing!

my 1st outing was in january...and it went alot like yours sounds.

after that, i spent tons of time on my flight-sim just getting basic
hand-eye coordination developed.

my (re)build-time to flight-time has been about 100:1!!!

w

On Aug 26, 6:37 pm, "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"
>     You did a heck of a lot better than me on my first outing! I had the
> nose crushed before I even got the hang of hand-launching. That first
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> damage to the replacement model (aka "B-4 Stealth"), which is inferior
> to the original "Vulcan." I hope to fly again tomorrow.
mjc13<REMOVETHIS> - 27 Aug 2007 01:46 GMT
> oh, this wasnt my 1st outing!
>
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>
> w

    I average about 1:1 now (travel time for flying included), and
repairs consist of applying packing tape, and sometimes epoxy, to a
cracked or split wing or fuselage. I now have 5 flight battery packs,
but only two (I hope) working planes. The last Vulcan I got has a
defective receiver (range is 10'), but the seller let me keep it and
refunded my purchase price, so when I finally can't patch up the current
Vulcan I'll have a brand new airframe to splice the receiver into. I
find it's best to go out with two planes, because one always seems to
crash or not fly right.  ;-)

> On Aug 26, 6:37 pm, "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"
>
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>>damage to the replacement model (aka "B-4 Stealth"), which is inferior
>>to the original "Vulcan." I hope to fly again tomorrow.
Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 27 Aug 2007 03:14 GMT
>Don't fly in winds heavier than your plane can handle!  sure everyone
>knows this, but you dont know it 'til you learn it for yourself!  ...

Thanks for sharing your learning experience.

A year from now, you may have fun playing with the
same level of gusts that brought you down today.

I bought a simple anemometer (glass tube, plastic
float, external gradations) for about $40 when I
came back to the hobby in the mid-90s.

I used it a lot to get some sense of how strong the
winds are at our field and what the range of flyability
is.

I only take it out once or twice a year now.  I've
got some other clues that help me decide what to do
(airplanes & chairs being blown over are cautionary
signs).

We get a lot of wind in our area, so my buddy and I
decided that we'd have to make friends with the wind.
I got too rambunctious in ~25 mph winds trying to
land his trainer vertically.  I chickened out about
six feet above the ground, got some pilot-induced
oscillations going, and did some fixable damage to
his plane.

Once I almost let a beginner lose his .40-sized
trainer over the nearby reservoir.  He just wouldn't
make timely turns and I waited too long to start
bringing his plane back.  We lucked out.  The
plane ran out of fuel but was able to glide to
the dry side of the shore line.  It was a loooong
walk to retrieve it, but we didn't have to go
swimming for it.  That taught me a lesson.
I keep my students on a shorter leash nowadays.

                Marty
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