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Hi I am new to this site I was looking for rc plane fields around th seattle area that have concrete runways. please hel -- hakema > Hi I am new to this site I was looking for rc plane fields around the > seattle area that have concrete runways. please help Do you have a special need for concrete runways? They are very hard on models compared to grass strips.  SignatureRon P If we are what we eat then: I'm fast, cheap and easy >> Hi I am new to this site I was looking for rc plane fields around the >> seattle area that have concrete runways. please help >> >Do you have a special need for concrete runways? They are very hard on >models compared to grass strips. Indeed. It turns a "near miss" into a "happening of note" that most likely will make it to the front page of the club newsletter. -- Ray >>> Hi I am new to this site I was looking for rc plane fields around the >>> seattle area that have concrete runways. please help [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > Ray Hakeman, I can't tell you anything about the Seattle area but I also prefer paved runways. I also prefer when people answer the question asked instead of telling you why you are wrong for asking it. That's a funny thing, isn't it. Lots of people's first reaction is to tell you what you ought to do instead of what you want to do. I flew at the county parks department RC field in Kansas City for 11 years. This is a very nice field with long parallel grass and blacktop runways right next to each other. With such a setup available you start to learn which type of runway is better for which type of model. I liked landing my Telemaster and Big John biplane on the grass, but my .20 sized Miss Bikini was worthless on grass. It was outstanding on the pavement, though. In fact, 9 out of 10 of my planes have been better on pavement. (The Whimpy and other old timers are definitely better on grass.) Regarding the difference between pavement rash and minor mishaps in the grass, well, that's the price you pay for excellent ground handling. > Hakeman, I can't tell you anything about the Seattle area but I also > prefer paved runways. I also prefer when people answer the question > asked instead of telling you why you are wrong for asking it. >>>> Hi I am new to this site I was looking for rc plane fields around the >>>> seattle area that have concrete runways. please help [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >paved runways. I also prefer when people answer the question asked instead >of telling you why you are wrong for asking it. That's a notional concept that goes along with asking a question on a discussion group like a newsgroup. If he wanted specific answers to a specific question then he's going to have to wade his way through the discussion that results here. Think of this as a party with lots of little groups discussing lots of little topics all at once. Do you read them all? Your pet peeve needed feeding. -- Ray >>>> Hi I am new to this site I was looking for rc plane fields around the >>>> seattle area that have concrete runways. please help [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > prefer paved runways. I also prefer when people answer the question asked > instead of telling you why you are wrong for asking it. No one told anyone that they were wrong about asking about paved runways. I have flown off of just about every hard surface immaginable; ice, snow, grass, gravel, dirt, concrete, asphalt and a couple of others that I don't know the name of. The reason that someone wants to use a particular kind of runway could be pertinent to the answer because even if a flying site has a that kind of runway doesn't mean that its condition is such that it would be suitable for the intended use. SignatureRon P If we are what we eat then: I'm fast, cheap and easy and past my best before date > Hakeman, I can't tell you anything about the Seattle area but I also > prefer paved runways. I also prefer when people answer the question > asked instead of telling you why you are wrong for asking it. I live in Arizona and all we have in my city, unless you fly electric, is pavement. In fact landing at our field, surrounded by washes, has been likened to landing on an aircraft carrier. It's what I learned on though, and I don't mind it. I've noticed that when "open field" type pilots come here they freak out and can't seem to handle runway alignment for some time. And grass... what is grass???!!! <g> SignatureMike >I've noticed that when "open field" type pilots come > here they freak out and can't seem to handle runway alignment for some time. I remember that. I learned at a wide open field, and when I switched to a real runway I felt like I needed to learn to fly all over again. Here are some alignment "tricks" you can use to land at a new site. They are part of what I use to teach beginners how to line up. This is actually the very first thing I do before the first training flight. I start with standing on the centerline of the runway, grass or hard surface with shoulders parallel to the centerline. I make them do a 'dress right dress' and a 'dress left dress' (arms straight up and out with the hand in vertical [knife edge]position)so they can see their fingers pointing to the exact center of the approach and departure end of the runway. Then I make them look and see what gross landmark is on the near horizon at both ends with their hands still up and arms straight. Then we go back to the pilot station and repeat the very first step, parallel to the centerline. This is NOT where we want a plane trying to land as our bodies are in the way, so we rotate the hands and arms forward until we see the land mark previously noted, following with our noses. This helps the beginner establish the dead line concept as I tell them that when the plane is on our side of this second line my volume goes up significantly and I take control if it is not turned away promptly (as in immediately after I say something). I make them put their noses in line with the finger tips to help train the neck muscles and complete the physical feel to what is right and what is wrong. When it is right you head is 'thus' and when it is wrong, you neck is more twisted. There is a 'window' just around that beginnings of the 'dead line' that will result in a runway landing every time. I used to teach on a 20 foot wide runway and most of my students would make landings on the runway more often than not. YMMV so good luck Jim AMA 1428 anywhere on any surface. >> Hakeman, I can't tell you anything about the Seattle area but I also >> prefer paved runways. I also prefer when people answer the question [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > And grass... what is grass???!!! <g> Good tips Jim. the problem being that some beginners and even some more experienced flyers never seem to totally grasp the concept. I had one guy with a fair amount of experience come to my field to fly. I explained that all he had to do to hit the runway in a right hand approach was stay inside the tree line, begin the turn to final at a certain point, and then use two trees about 100 yards off the end of the runway as a guide, stay between the trees, and you would be dead center of the runway at the threshold. It didn't work out for him. He went WAY wide and got behind the tree line, and then tried to fly through one of the trees. >Here are some alignment "tricks" you can use to land at a new site. They >are part of what I use to teach beginners how to line up. This is actually [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >Jim >AMA 1428 > Good tips Jim. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > through one > of the trees. That one issue is why I began making them follow the aircraft with their nose. Too many crash airplanes looking for this or that landmark rather than flying the airplane. >>Here are some alignment "tricks" you can use to land at a new site. They >>are part of what I use to teach beginners how to line up. This is [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >>Jim >>AMA 1428 On Wed, 7 May 2008 14:02:33 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and "Six_O'Clock_High" <Six_O'Clock_High@Target_Lock.Guns> instead replied: >That one issue is why I began making them follow the aircraft with their >nose. That would have me out of breath in about 60 seconds or less. Hard to work the transmitter, too, with my arms flapping like that. -- Ray > On Wed, 7 May 2008 14:02:33 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card" > and "Six_O'Clock_High" <Six_O'Clock_High@Target_Lock.Guns> instead [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Ray True, but GREAT exercise! On Thu, 8 May 2008 12:20:51 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and "Six_O'Clock_High" <Six_O'Clock_High@Target_Lock.Guns> instead replied: >> On Wed, 7 May 2008 14:02:33 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card" >> and "Six_O'Clock_High" <Six_O'Clock_High@Target_Lock.Guns> instead [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >True, but GREAT exercise! Add the mental gymnastics of picturing me doing that and you get a full body workout. -- Ray >On Thu, 8 May 2008 12:20:51 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card" >and "Six_O'Clock_High" <Six_O'Clock_High@Target_Lock.Guns> instead [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Add the mental gymnastics of picturing me doing that and you get a >full body workout. That's all well and good for you young bucks, for a fat old man like me, the mental gymnastics alone would probably put me in traction ;-) >>On Thu, 8 May 2008 12:20:51 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card" >>and "Six_O'Clock_High" <Six_O'Clock_High@Target_Lock.Guns> instead [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > me in > traction ;-) --------- I heard that...<G> Ed Cregger >>>On Thu, 8 May 2008 12:20:51 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card" >>>and "Six_O'Clock_High" <Six_O'Clock_High@Target_Lock.Guns> instead [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >I heard that...<G> Pipe down, Ed. I haven't been called young in decades. Kinda fun. -- Ray I can't remember the name off hand, but there is a paved strip just north of Snohomish about two miles. The club name is SRAC . Go to Snohomish and head for Machias (on the old highway) and it is on your left hand side. That's about as much as I know. Here is what I found on the net, but their webpage didn't load for me. Welcome to SRAC.com Snohomish Radio Aero Club AMA #650. Radio Control Aircraft flight training is available at the SRAC Model Flying Field. Click on training ,stop by the field ... www.sracinc.com/ - 27k - Cached - Similar pages Ken. We have a paved field we fly from at Coupeville on Whidbey Island, but you need to take a ferry or drive around and take Deception Pass Bridge to get there which makes it pretty expensive to use unless you live here. The our club name is "WIRCS" http://wircs.whidbeyhost.com/ and is popular with the "Jet Guy's" in the PNW area. I've had over a 100 e-Bay transactions, mostly model stuff, buying and selling. I am very happy with the prices I got and what I paid. I have recently found that the RCU Market place is a great opportunity also. Red S. (redscho) >>> Hi I am new to this site I was looking for rc plane fields around the >>> seattle area that have concrete runways. please help [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > Ray I have seen a few of those!! I have also been involved in a couple of those<:-( SignatureRon P If we are what we eat then: I'm fast, cheap and easy and past my best before date Try http://www.towerhobbies.com/rcwairclub.html#usa1 and send an E-matl > Hi I am new to this site I was looking for rc plane fields around the > seattle area that have concrete runways. please help 19 responses and no help yet. =:-0 good flying, desmobob >> Hi I am new to this site I was looking for rc plane fields around the >> seattle area that have concrete runways. please help [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > good flying, > desmobob Yeah, don't you just love Usenet? >> Hi I am new to this site I was looking for rc plane fields around the >> seattle area that have concrete runways. please help > > 19 responses and no help yet. =:-0 There were replies actually worth reading (unlike the above). 'Course I happen to think the results are rather expected. For one thing this isn't seattle.rec.models.rc.air. It's an unmoderated low-traffic world-wide newsgroup. SignatureMike >>> Hi I am new to this site I was looking for rc plane fields around the >>> seattle area that have concrete runways. please help [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > this isn't seattle.rec.models.rc.air. It's an unmoderated low-traffic > world-wide newsgroup. Well, I don't know the answer to the OP's question. However, replies like Tinman's are iodiotic. It doesn't matter that this is an unmoderated low traffic newsgroup accessible world-wide. The OP took the chance that there was someone who visits this newsgroup who would know about rc fields with concrete runways in Seattle. We found out there is not some one who visits that knows. Maybe the OP should post this question on RCGroups or RCUniverse. More people traffic those sites. However, according to Tinmans logic, he wouldn't get any relevant answers because those sites are not specific to Seattle. SignatureTo reply by email use: vhoward1122atgmaildotcom > Maybe the OP should post this question on RCGroups or RCUniverse. More > people traffic those sites. However, according to Tinmans logic, he > wouldn't get any relevant answers because those sites are not > specific to Seattle. Looks like I picked up one from the "short bus" crowd. What part of "low-traffic" didn't you understand? Don't strain yourself trying to answer... SignatureMike >> Maybe the OP should post this question on RCGroups or RCUniverse. More >> people traffic those sites. However, according to Tinmans logic, he >> wouldn't get any relevant answers because those sites are not >> specific to Seattle. > > Looks like I picked up one from the "short bus" crowd. I take offense to this remark. Are you making fun of mentally challenged children? Not that it matters. mk > What part of "low-traffic" didn't you understand? Don't strain yourself > trying to answer... Oh that's what he meant....Thanks Brian >>> Maybe the OP should post this question on RCGroups or RCUniverse. More >>> people traffic those sites. However, according to Tinmans logic, he [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> What part of "low-traffic" didn't you understand? Don't strain yourself >> trying to answer... > "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in message >> >> Looks like I picked up one from the "short bus" crowd. > > I take offense to this remark. Grow a carapace. > Are you making fun of mentally challenged children? No. I was rather certain the person I replied to was an adult. Not that it matters though. SignatureMike >> "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Grow a carapace. LOL! You went off when someone called your post "idiotic". A little soft yourself I'd say. mk >> Are you making fun of mentally challenged children? > > No. I was rather certain the person I replied to was an adult. > > Not that it matters though. >>> "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in message >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > LOL! You went off when someone called your post "idiotic". A little > soft yourself I'd say. You have never seen me "go off," cupcake. SignatureMike | Well, I don't know the answer to the OP's question. Then according to some, you should not post in the OP's thread. Of course, the truly idiotic thing is that those who point out that the original question has not been answered -- failed to answer it themselves. Basically, they 1) declared there to be a problem (or at least implied it), and 2) became part of the problem by 3) doing nothing to further a solution to their perceived problem. And like these people, I don't know the answer either. However, I can point out how one would find it. Go to http://directory.google.com/Top/Recreation/Aviation/Model_Aviation/Radio_Control led/Airplanes/Clubs/United_States/Washington/ and look for clubs near Seattle. Then look at their web sites, and see if they have pictures -- if they do, there's probably pictures of any runway they might have. Or you could send them an email or give them a call. Those are the people who would really know what's available in the area. | Maybe the OP should post this question on RCGroups or RCUniverse. More | people traffic those sites. However, according to Tinmans logic, he | wouldn't get any relevant answers because those sites are not specific to | Seattle. Tinman's logic is probably correct. Being in Texas, I don't pay much attention to the Washington specific part of rcgroups, but I do pay attention to the AMA District VIII (Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas) forum -- and it's gotten 66 posts in 1.5 years. People post questions like the OP's question and nobody answers. SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us But Dad, you're a very old man, and old people are useless. --Homer Simpson >Of course, the truly idiotic thing is that those who point out that >the original question has not been answered -- failed to answer it >themselves. Basically, they 1) declared there to be a problem (or at >least implied it), and 2) became part of the problem by 3) doing >nothing to further a solution to their perceived problem. Since you firmly believe this, keep your opinion to yourself. Easy. -- Ray | Since you firmly believe this, keep your opinion to yourself. Good luck with that. Might want to read my opinion again, however. Hint: I wasn't referring to _you_ or your contribution to the thread. SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us "Always avoid annoying alliteration" >| Since you firmly believe this, keep your opinion to yourself. > >Good luck with that. > >Might want to read my opinion again, however. Hint: I wasn't >referring to _you_ or your contribution to the thread. The irony of it is your post complaining about other posts was not only the same thing but more of it with more angst in it. Strange, that. Had you kept your opinion to yourself, you would have eliminated at least 3 of the very things you don't like. You netkops are all alike. As long as it's YOU doing it, no problem. After all, you have a need. Others, well, they have no right to an opinion. And you take every opportunity to let them know. Noisily. -- Ray | The irony of it is your post complaining about other posts was not | only the same thing but more of it with more angst in it. Read my post again -- I wasn't complaining about other posts, I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy contained in a few of them (probably in the posts you seem to think I made.) You do understand the difference, right? | Strange, that. Had you kept your opinion to yourself, you would have | eliminated at least 3 of the very things you don't like. You netkops | are all alike. As long as it's YOU doing it, no problem. After all, | you have a need. Others, well, they have no right to an opinion. And | you take every opportunity to let them know. Noisily. Netkop? I suspect you have me confused with somebody else, or perhaps somebody else's posts confused with mine. Read my post again. Read all my recent posts again, if you think `I take every opportunity to let people know that they have no right to an opinion.' (Disagreeing with somebody is not the same as what you accused me of, however.) In any event ... http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=group%3Arec.models.rc.air+author%3AMcLa ren&scoring=d ... may be of some assistance. And when you're ready to apologize, email will work nicely. SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us "In my life, I have prayed but one prayer: 'Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it." -- Voltaire >| The irony of it is your post complaining about other posts was not >| only the same thing but more of it with more angst in it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >in the posts you seem to think I made.) You do understand the >difference, right? I did read it again before I commented. You were quite clear on your criticism of others no matter what side you took. Mind you, I fully support your right to make those comments but I reserve the right to be sure that you note how many extra posts have been made after yours and solely because of yours. Just noting it. >| Strange, that. Had you kept your opinion to yourself, you would have >| eliminated at least 3 of the very things you don't like. You netkops [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >with somebody is not the same as what you accused me of, however.) In >any event ... Then I guess in some strange way we agree but your presentation isn't all that clear, particularly on this thread. > http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=group%3Arec.models.rc.air+author%3AMcLa ren&scoring=d What of it? I have a few posts, too. I don't intend for you or anyone to wade through mine and I certainly won't be wading through yours. >... may be of some assistance. And when you're ready to apologize, >email will work nicely. Nonsense. You just supported my right to an opinion and now you want an apology? Obviously you want this thread's meandering to continue. -- Ray | >| Strange, that. Had you kept your opinion to yourself Why would I want to do that? If I feel that there is some sort of benefit to sharing my opinion, I'll do so. | >| you would have eliminated at least 3 of the very things you don't | >| like. What is it I don't like? Be specific. I'll get you started -- I don't appreciate completely off-topic posts, and I don't like being accused of things that are incorrect. I'm also not wild about hypocrisy either, but usually at most I just point it out and leave it at that (and that goes for off-topic posts too, though they usually aren't worth pointing out.) But I'm guessing you've got some more things to tell me that I don't like, so let's hear them. | >| You netkops Please, find a post where I'm being a netkop [sic]. The power of google is at your disposal. Note that merely pointing out that something is off-topic or somebody is being a hypocrite is _not_ being a netcop, not by itself. | >| Others, well, they have no right to an opinion. And | >| you take every opportunity to let them know. Noisily. Please, find one post where I take an opportunity, any opportunity, to let somebody know that they have `no right to an opinion'. Since I take `every opportunity' there should be lots of these posts, but right now I'm just asking for one. | Then I guess in some strange way we agree but your presentation | isn't all that clear, particularly on this thread. My presentation was quite clear, but I'll repeat it for your benefit (though again, it wasn't referring to you or your posts) : If you're going to post to a thread complain `that there's been X posts in the thread and yet nobody has answered the original question', then unless you're answering the original question yourself, then you're part of the `problem' that you're complaining about and *not* the solution. (Note that I have not declared this to be a problem, and indeed I don't see it as a problem. Just pointing out the hypocrisy. I do find completely off-topic posts to be annoying, but mere thread drift? No.) | Nonsense. You just supported my right to an opinion Waitaminute. I thought I took every opportunity to tell people they had no right to an opinion? Does this mean I _missed_ an opportunity to do so? If so, then so much for `taking every opportunity' ... | Obviously you want this thread's meandering to continue. Again, I don't think thread drift is a bad thing. Yes, I think that completely off-topic posts are a bad thing, but your posts (and those of others) are not my responsibility. Somewhat on-topic, though off-thread : It looks like the griefers are now using R/C gear to make political statements (what they're trying to say I've no idea) like this -- http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/05/pro-kremlin-sup.html Quick summary: somebody interrupted Garry Kasparov's speech with what appears to be a coaxial indoor helicopter with the boom replaced with a penis. Looks like a Blade CX or something similar. I'm guessing that was off-topic for Garry's speech, but at least it was funny :) Though there doesn't seem to be anything in the news about who did it -- you'd think the guy with a controller would be very obvious, and security would probably scream `terrorist!' and take him down hard and fast. SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around. >My presentation was quite clear, but I'll repeat it for your benefit >(though again, it wasn't referring to you or your posts) : [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >find completely off-topic posts to be annoying, but mere thread drift? >No.) Well, there you have it. By your own admission, you posted off topic thereby continuing the off topic posting you dislike. Doug, I pointed out the irony of making a complaint in a post that itself is as off topic as the post you are pointing at. It's an endless loop. I laughed at that irony. I found it funny, not evil. Just relax. Let's go flying. It's a gorgeous day here in Perth. -- Ray >>My presentation was quite clear, but I'll repeat it for your benefit >>(though again, it wasn't referring to you or your posts) : [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Ray Ray, your posts are more fun if I imagine a Aussie accent. :) Pretty day in central Texas too. mk (can I get any farther from Perth than here?) >>>My presentation was quite clear, but I'll repeat it for your benefit >>>(though again, it wasn't referring to you or your posts) : [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > mk > (can I get any farther from Perth than here?) I'm ready! On Wed, 21 May 2008 11:28:53 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and "MJKolodziej" <mjmwcsREMOVEKILLERCHAOS@htcomp.net> instead replied: >>>My presentation was quite clear, but I'll repeat it for your benefit >>>(though again, it wasn't referring to you or your posts) : [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >Ray, your posts are more fun if I imagine a Aussie accent. >:) Oh, too bad. I'm an ex-pat American living in Perth since 1999. See: http://www.rayhaddad.com >Pretty day in central Texas too. >mk >(can I get any farther from Perth than here?) I've flown down in Beeville and McAllen a number of years ago. Visiting family both times but a few small planes made it into the vehicle Great flat areas all over the place and LOTS of room. -- Ray > On Wed, 21 May 2008 11:28:53 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card" > and "MJKolodziej" <mjmwcsREMOVEKILLERCHAOS@htcomp.net> instead [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > -- > Ray How many years ago? The Beeville club moved from the old site to something better and the McAllen bunch were moved last year. On Thu, 22 May 2008 13:16:07 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and "Six_O'Clock_High" <Six_O'Clock_High@Target_Lock.Guns> instead replied: >> On Wed, 21 May 2008 11:28:53 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card" >> and "MJKolodziej" <mjmwcsREMOVEKILLERCHAOS@htcomp.net> instead [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >How many years ago? The Beeville club moved from the old site to something >better and the McAllen bunch were moved last year. Back in the 1970s. My kid brother was stationed there at Beeville briefly and later settled in McAllen. He still lives there. -- Ray > How many years ago? The Beeville club moved from the old site to something > better and the McAllen bunch were moved last year. I grew up in McAllen. Last time I was there (12 years ago) they were flying at the Edinburg airport and at a field owned by one of the Bell brothers west of town. The Edinburg airport was great. Where did they move to? >> How many years ago? The Beeville club moved from the old site to >> something better and the McAllen bunch were moved last year. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > brothers west of town. The Edinburg airport was great. Where did they > move to? Yes, it was a great site that I enjoyed visiting. The city threw them out the day they opened the spring fly in a couple of years ago. They managed to hold the event since all of us participants were willing to sign special releases of liability for the city. Stupid city attorney insists the AMA does not exist even though the District VIII AMA VP was at the event with documentation. I strongly suspect corrupt money was the root of the problem but I have not one shred of proof. Now I take pains to see than none of the monies I have any impact on go to the City of Edinburg in any manner, shape, fashion, or form. I don't eat there, I don't by ANYTHING there, and I don't stay in hotels there. I share that with as many as I can, business, family, and friends, just to insure that Edinburg gets the full benefit of their actions. I don't know anything about the Bell brothers site, but I have one of Art's biplane wrecks and I am going to put a red circle with a slash on in over his bell logo when I repair it. Then I will take it down there for the spring fly in and see what kind of noises he makes. Weslaco offered them a site almost immediately, but I have been too overwhelmed by local and family events to return. My plans do include frequent returns as those guys are my friends. Jim Branaum AMA 1428 > I don't know anything about the Bell brothers site, but I have one of Art's > biplane wrecks and I am going to put a red circle with a slash on in over > his bell logo when I repair it. Then I will take it down there for the > spring fly in and see what kind of noises he makes. You're talking about Art Brock? He must be a million years old by now. Is he still around? Do you remember the Bell brothers? If I remember correctly, they were big fat guys with a welding service and a catering company. I thought it was really good of them to offer the flying site, but it was a real dust bowl. I didn't know them at all.... > Weslaco offered them a site almost immediately, but I have been too > overwhelmed by local and family events to return. My plans do include > frequent returns as those guys are my friends. > > Jim Branaum > AMA 1428 The best flying site I ever flew at down there was a paved strip in the middle of a sugar cane field near the river, south of Pharr or San Juan somewhere. Ever been to that one? A friend and I used to fly gliders at the Rowe High School grounds on Ware Road. The parking lot, school roof, and tennis courts all right next to each other create some unbelievable thermals. I haven't been around those parts in a long time. McAllen is a LONG way from just about anywhere. You're probably right about corrupt money. If you look up the word corrupt in the dictionary it will probably say something about the Lower Rio Grande Valley. >> I don't know anything about the Bell brothers site, but I have one of >> Art's biplane wrecks and I am going to put a red circle with a slash on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > company. I thought it was really good of them to offer the flying site, > but it was a real dust bowl. I didn't know them at all.... Art Bell. >> Weslaco offered them a site almost immediately, but I have been too >> overwhelmed by local and family events to return. My plans do include [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > you look up the word corrupt in the dictionary it will probably say > something about the Lower Rio Grande Valley. With a reference or six to Duval county . . . No, I haven't flown much down south of George West except for the Edinburg site. | Well, there you have it. By your own admission, you posted off topic Actually, I didn't admit that. But OK -- I will. In this thread I did post twice to refute your claims without making my post in any way related to R/C planes. And I normally I go out of my way to avoid this. Not that I've complained about off-topic posts anywhere in this thread. In any event, I'm still waiting for you to find a single, solitary post from me to corroborate your claim that -- Others, well, they have no right to an opinion. And you take every opportunity to let them know. Noisily. And you've also said `You netkops' [sic] while responding to me, which suggests that you're including me as a `netkop'. I'm still waiting for you to find some sort of evidence that I'm a `netkop'. A single post would probably be a good start. If you are unable or unwilling to find any evidence whatsoever to support your claims, an apology would be appropriate. | Doug, I pointed out the irony of making a complaint in a post that | itself is as off topic as the post you are pointing at. The problem with finding irony in that is that 1) I wasn't complaining that the post was off-topic, and 2) that particular post wasn't completely off topic -- in it, I provided some suggestions about where the original poster could find an answer to his own question. Also, what you've described isn't irony. Irony has a few specific meanings, and what you've described doesn't fit. But that's OK -- many people use the term incorrectly. Especially Alanis Morrisette, it would seem, unless the ironic thing is that her song called `Ironic' contains no actual irony? (That would qualify.) | It's an endless loop. I laughed at that irony. I found it funny, | not evil. Just relax. I didn't find your posts evil either, just so misguided in parts that it seemed thta you were talking about somebody else entirely. But I didn't find them funny either. | Let's go flying. It's a gorgeous day here in Perth. Nice days in Austin lately for slope flying, but on the windy side for other types of flying. But that didn't stop somebody in the local glider club from putting his plane into a power line with ... exciting results. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=869732 (Alas, I wasn't there.) SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is in the circus. >> Well, I don't know the answer to the OP's question. > > Then according to some, you should not post in the OP's thread. Bingo. But they still need to get out their "this thread has no useful replies!" posts--without ever realizing the level of hypocrisy they've implied. SignatureMike > >> Well, I don't know the answer to the OP's question. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > useful replies!" posts--without ever realizing the level of hypocrisy > they've implied. I only pointed out that it is idiotic to expect someone not to post a question here just because this is an international newsgroup instead of Seattle specific. Even though it is a low traffic newsgroup, there was the possibility of someone from the Seattle area reading the question and replying. Instead, the thread was hijacked. This is my last response to this thread. | Even though it is a low traffic newsgroup, there was the possibility | of someone from the Seattle area reading the question and replying. Well, even if not, he was given enough hints to find the answer he's looking for. | Instead, the thread was hijacked. `Hijacked' implies ownership of the thread. Sorry, but you should know that Usenet doesn't work that way. `Thread drift' would be a better term. Don't like it? Places like rcgroups make the original poster own a thread, and if you don't like where a thread is going, you can remove posts or close the thread down. You may not approve of thread drift, but it's been going on in Usenet for literally decades, and I wouldn't expect it to stop in the immediate future. In any event, there's some threads in RCSE (Radio Controlled Soaring Exhchange) related to the Seattle Area Soaring Society's attempts to keep their field. If you're interested -- http://www.seattleareasoaringsociety.com/Save60Acres/Save60Acres_2008.htm (and no, being a soaring club, I doubt they have or need a concrete runway :) SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us Few things in life are as comforting as knowing how to quietly and safely dispose of a human body |
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