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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / October 2008Where is everyone?
Stop worrying about the stock markets and the banks. It will pass. What will be, will be - regardless of how it turns out. Hobbies thrive during economic downturns. Been that way all of my 62 years. People are too busy going places and doing other things to mess with models when we are in economic good times. Break out that old kit you have been saving. Pick up a pint or a quart of yellow glue at Wal-Marts along with some sandpaper and get busy building. Purposefully do not turn the TV on to the news channels or any serious discussions. Find a rerun of The Addams Family or The Munsters. Even Gilligan's Island. Relax, enjoy yourself while sipping your diet soda. I suspect that many stocks that have depreciated sharply recently will be right back up there again within the next year. Sit back and enjoy the election circus. If Palin ever needs a staff brown noser, I know someone that would volunteer in a heartbeat. 8>) Ed Cregger > Stop worrying about the stock markets and the banks. It will pass. What > will be, will be - regardless of how it turns out. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Ed Cregger I'm here. I actually flew twice last week. As for kits to build, I have a inclination to build that Longjohn, or that BTE Venture 60. I could take on that Balsa USA Pheaton or the CG Ulitmate.........Now see what you've done Ed? :) mk Jim in NC, if you read this I may have something for you. "MJKolodziej" <mjmwcsREMOVEKILLERCHAOS@htcomp.net> wrote> Jim in NC, if you read this I may have something for you. Roger dodger. Post coming at you via back channels  SignatureJim in NC > Stop worrying about the stock markets and the banks. It will pass. What will > be, will be - regardless of how it turns out. Haha. The immediate crisis will pass, and so will the 15 year depression, but some of us may not be alive to see it. > Hobbies thrive during economic downturns. Been that way all of my 62 years. > People are too busy going places and doing other things to mess with models > when we are in economic good times. Sure, That I agree with. With no money and no job, you might as well buy a really complicated plan and a shed load of balsa while you can.. > Break out that old kit you have been saving. Pick up a pint or a quart of > yellow glue at Wal-Marts along with some sandpaper and get busy building. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I suspect that many stocks that have depreciated sharply recently will be > right back up there again within the next year. No. There is a global transition from steady growth to zero growth, or even shrinkage. We've run out of cheap exploitable resources. We have to construct a new one based on what we already have. > Sit back and enjoy the > election circus. If Palin ever needs a staff brown noser, I know someone > that would volunteer in a heartbeat. 8>) Wailin Paiin? If you thought Hillary was scary you ain't seen nuthin yet. Frankly its a pretty sorry bunch all round. The best of the bunch would seem to be Obama, since he's smart and slippery, and may just be smart enough to know he is not smart enough, and start listening to advice, and adapting to the changes a bit faster than McCain. But the politicians are just passengers this time around. Well they have been for 10 years..but at least Obama may be able to get the driver to take his foot off the gas pedal, since the tank is almost empty and the engines blown, and look for a place to stop and fix it. > Ed Cregger > Frankly its a pretty sorry bunch all round. The best of the bunch would > seem to be Obama, since he's smart and slippery, and may just be smart [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > pedal, since the tank is almost empty and the engines blown, and look for > a place to stop and fix it. ----------- The old paradym is broken beyond repair. And that is as it should be. It's called progress, whether we like it or not. The President of the United State's sole function is to act as a lightning rod. The true rulers of the world, who happen to live in your country, by the way, are and will continue to plod away, using one group of people to to fight another group of people as they always have in the past. Divide and conqueor. I don't play Democrats versus Republicans anymore. Even I out grow some silly things. I decided a while back that it really makes no difference who is in office. Nor do I care. Ed Cregger >The President of the United State's sole function is to act as a lightning >rod. The true rulers of the world, who happen to live in your country, by [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >some silly things. I decided a while back that it really makes no difference >who is in office. Nor do I care. Remember that when osama sends the thought police to take away your guns !!!! his brand of "change, I do NOT need or want. but, You are right, the "supreme" court has basically usurped total control of ALL governmental functions rendering both the executive and legislative branches inconsequential. I had made up my mind NOT to post any political messages here, BUT osama does remind me of wet willie clinton in one thing, I feel like I need a bath with a wire brush and lye soap after I hear either one of them talk. >> The President of the United State's sole function is to act as a lightning >> rod. The true rulers of the world, who happen to live in your country, by [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Remember that when osama sends the thought police to take away your guns !!!! I doubt it would come to that. Political suicide. > his brand of "change, I do NOT need or want. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I feel like I need a bath with a wire brush and lye soap after I hear either one > of them talk. Well I feel that way about Wailin Palin. And although I think McCain is a person I might like, I don't think he has the strength to last the course. Palin scares me more than Bush. He's just stupid. She is stupid and think's she is right. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Sometimes a smart slimy son of a bitch is what you need. >>> The President of the United State's sole function is to act as a >>> lightning rod. The true rulers of the world, who happen to live in your [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Sometimes a smart slimy son of a bitch is what you need. ------------ I won't argue with you on your last point and Obama does seem to be the right man for that job. The last president we had that actually thought he was the president and acted accordingly was whacked in 1963. Should any president, including Palin, deviate too far from the preplanned course of the true rulers of the world (hint - they live in England), there would be another whacking, though I doubt if the president would be shot. They would simply receive that new cocktail that has been popularized in Europe lately that contains a hefty amount of dioxin. I believe they call it the "Arafat". I applauded when that SOB croaked. Ed Cregger >I won't argue with you on your last point and Obama does seem to be the >right man for that job. Not in THIS world. I have NO desire to see as president someone who would go along with a preacher badmouthing the United States and everybody here for TWENTY YEARS without protesting or distancing himself from such rhetoric. mark my words, You elect the slimy bastard, we will ALL be learning to read the koran >> I won't argue with you on your last point and Obama does seem to be the >> right man for that job. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > mark my words, > You elect the slimy bastard, we will ALL be learning to read the koran Well in your case it might do some good. Its not a bad read actually. If you like fairy stories. >Sometimes a smart slimy son of a bitch is what you need. it's that kind of fuzzy thinking that is going to get us all killed >> Sometimes a smart slimy son of a bitch is what you need. > > it's that kind of fuzzy thinking that is going to get us all killed No. Eds more right here. All the politicans are in hock to someone. I don't happen to agree to who they are in hock or how much tho. What they have to do is tread a peculiar path. They have to satisfy the electorate to get elected. They have to satisfy the party to get to be a candidate, They have to satisfy certain other forces in order to get the money to campaign effectively. They have to avoid getting shot. In addition if they are going to be a great leader, they have to somehow convince all the above once they get there, that what they are proposing is actually, no matter how unpalatable, in everyones best interest. Kennedy largely did all that bar avoiding getting shot. Since then by and large every president has either got shot, or failed to be a great leader. I would say that the most successful have managed to quietly get the right thing done while pretending to do something completely different. The worst have simply done nothing at all. GW Bush is of that ilk. Don't worry about Obama, he will fail to live up to either his promises to the nation, or to the picture that is painted to him by his opponents. What you have to hope, is that he will be smart enough not to get shot, and smart enough to con all the people that will try to pressure him, into thinking that he is in fact doing there bidding, and is just young and idealistic enough to really believe that his real job is to be a servant of the USA population, and try and get at least a little bit done to make it better for them. And lord knows, its going to be a rough ride. Getting used to being only No 2 world power is never easy. We know. . >>> Sometimes a smart slimy son of a bitch is what you need. don't it hurt your back to twist around THAT far,, and how do you see, do you have a plexiglass navel?? > . >>>> Sometimes a smart slimy son of a bitch is what you need. > > don't it hurt your back to twist around THAT far,, ?? > and how do you see, > do you have a plexiglass navel?? No sure what particular thing you are trying to say here.. Sounds like you have been watching too much political advertising. And need a course in anger management. Don't you realise its ALL SPIN? The only truth about political campainging is that its all lies? Where were YOU in 1967? Haven't you seen it all before, every single bloody time? And you STILL fall for it, hook, line and sinker? >> . >>>>> Sometimes a smart slimy son of a bitch is what you need. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > And you STILL fall for it, hook, line and sinker? He saying you have your head up your arse. At least the word SPIN has some RC connotation. mk >>> . >>>>>> Sometimes a smart slimy son of a bitch is what you need. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > He saying you have your head up your arse. Ah. The usual response from someone who actully HAS. > At least the word SPIN has some RC connotation. Close your eyes and go back to sleep. > mk >> and how do you see, >> do you have a plexiglass navel?? > >No sure what particular thing you are trying to say here.. SNIPPED, ( a bunch of BS from someone who had to have it explained that he had been insulted) try this one, was your lobotomy painful? C'mon, take the political yak to one of the appropriate newsgroups or blogs. >>The President of the United State's sole function is to act as a lightning >>rod. The true rulers of the world, who happen to live in your country, by [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > either one > of them talk. You know better than to try to tell an American where and when to talk about what. 8>) Ed Cregger > C'mon, take the political yak to one of the appropriate newsgroups or > blogs. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> either one >> of them talk. > You know better than to try to tell an American where and when to talk about > what. 8>) And conversely you cant stop em telling the rest of the world what to not talk about either. Always seemed the height of hypocrisy to me.. Anyway, how long till the overgrown weed* gets slung out of the white house. *Weed: A bush or plant where it isn't wanted. >> You know better than to try to tell an American where and when to talk >> about what. 8>) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Always seemed the height of hypocrisy to me.. I guess I'm isolated here but how do "we" tell the rest of the world what not to talk about? mk > Anyway, how long till the overgrown weed* gets slung out of the white > house. > > *Weed: A bush or plant where it isn't wanted. >> You know better than to try to tell an American where and when to talk >> about what. 8>) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > *Weed: A bush or plant where it isn't wanted. ---------- Not soon enough, regardless of how short the time. I don't think that he wants to be there any longer than necessary either. Ed Cregger >>> You know better than to try to tell an American where and when to talk >>> about what. 8>) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Not soon enough, regardless of how short the time. I don't think that he > wants to be there any longer than necessary either. It must be an attractive prospect: sitting there with a load of cash somewhere safe, and watching the destruction of the worlds economy and thinking 'Hey, I did my bit there too!' I see there are class actions against the banks and credit rating agencies who may or may not have *knowingly* sold 'triple A rated' junk bonds. GM = Greatly Missed. >>>> You know better than to try to tell an American where and when to talk >>>> about what. 8>) [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > GM = Greatly Missed. ------------ Isn't deregulation and free trade wonderful? I can't wait until Killer Kane (character from Buck Rogers matinee serials) gets out of office. And to think that I used to support this moron. Ed Cregger >>>>> You know better than to try to tell an American where and when to talk >>>>> about what. 8>) [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Ed Cregger The rumour was that FORD and GM were going chapter 11 today.. Did it happen? I have to say of all the things I blame the weed for, this was something that was foreseen, but not preventable. No politician 5 years ago who had said 'we bneed to stop spending money and borrowing, and stop house prices getting out of hand, and increase taxes' would have lasted 30 secs. Even if it was the right thing to do. Estimate 40% fall in average standard of living by 2010. Chilling. >>>>>> You know better than to try to tell an American where and when to >>>>>> talk about what. 8>) [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Estimate 40% fall in average standard of living by 2010. Chilling. ----------- It was always my hope that we Americans could maintain our standard of living while assisting the rest of the world to come up to our standard of living. Keep in mind that I am 62 years old and I remember when we Americans were right at the top of the scale. Instead, the dickheads that rule the world (and live in England, no blame on your folks) decided that it would be simpler to let we Americans drop into the standard of living of third world nations. Our educators (USA) have let us down. The new Volkswagen plant that they are building in Chattanooga will require that the lowest employees have at least an associates degree. When I was young, one could get a great blue collar job without a high school diploma. Almost daily I talk to younger (than me) folks with bachelors and masters degrees that lack simple computational skills. Many cannot construct an understandable sentence and they need a calculator to figure out change at the grocery store. Stuff I did as a child in my head. And I am no genius. I feel sorry for the generations to come. The America that I grew up in no longer exists. Now I know why old folks don't mind dying. I never thought I would get to that point. My dreams for the colonization of Mars and orbiting colonies carved into massive meteors that were harvested from slightly beyond Mars and pushed into Earth orbit or into a Lagrange point, have disintegrated. But enough of that. People get the government they deserve, so it is said. Ed Cregger > >>>>>> You know better than to try to tell an American where and when to > >>>>>> talk about what. 8>) [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> You know better than to try to tell an American where and when to >>>>>>> talk about what. 8>) [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > your folks) decided that it would be simpler to let we Americans drop into > the standard of living of third world nations. I'm going to disagree. This isn't the fault of people who rule the world. This is because no one in fact *does* rule the world. It happened because of who the Chinese are and who the Americans are, and how they behave culturally, and because we are at a particular point in history where 'stuff' is still there in the ground waiting to be dug up or pumped,and so we all did. Sadly that is not an inexhaustible supply, and a whole world economic model that assumes that it is, that you can pump more and more money in to get any growth rate you want, falls apart. It's no use having fort knox in your pocket, if there IS no gas in the pump, Ed. So thats no.1 problem. Growth along traditional lines met a limit, as shown by spiralling commodity prices. And spiralling debt. That alone should have been the warning sign that despite massive amounts of cash flooding into the system, growth was not accelerating. BUt the central banks were only tasked to control inflation, not debt. Politicians are there to pander to peoples stupidity, not run things. They had no idea what it all meant. The regulators had been told to lay off, so massive profits could be made. The economists who were yelling were not listened to. Now if there had been anyone with half a brain in any government, they might have tried to change things, but not in the USA where less government and no state control, and a complete distrust of academic analysis and education, is the de facto cultural norm. You are watching the biggest and best argument as to why you need a set of rules, and cannot run financial markets as you once didn't run the Wild West: Namely that a lot of people are going to suffer, and very few people are going to win, and they aren't in the business of giving any away. If you want to put it as an allegory, we were in a plane where someone had rammed the throttle wide own, and pulled the stick right back, but forgotten to look at the fuel gauges. And one engine coughed, and nearly quit, and the second one is showing signs of trouble. Did you know that the *FED* is running out of money? Its not a question whether this is a correction. Its not a question of whether its a recession. Its not even looking like a question of whether its a slump or a depression, it is quite simply that the whole economic plane we have been flying blind, is on the point of coming to pieces,and we don't have parachutes. Around 1340, people started dying of a plague. They tried everything, prayer, prices, running away..nothing worked. They blamed it on sinful people. In fact it was simply that the worlds population had grown to such a point (as had world trade), that it only needed a rat, a flea, and a bacteria, to hit the right combination, and it was curtains for 30% of the total population of Europe, and Europe's population never regained the same levels until industrialization happened, and along with it medicine. That took around 400 years to 'recover'. That's what we now have pollution controls, public health programs, rodent control, and antibiotics. WE dont simpy sh.t anyweher we please, and let the rats have it. This is a similar issue. World financial systems are highly globalised. And have been allowed to get to an unstable position. They are dead in te water. The real world economy has likewise grown out of control. Its based ultimately on fossil energy, and we are near running out. At least of the cheap stuff. Watch and wait. Its the end of the American Dream. If you are lucky, Obama can come up with a new one. If not, its dead end street. > Our educators (USA) have let us down. You didn't want education. You mistrust education. Ive got education. I get SLAMMED by rednecks. Who think they are just as good as I am. Watch the responses to this post by the likes of Six'o'clock dipshit.. Bush got elected because hes a redneck. He's nice enough, but he's kinda dumb, and doesn't really think much about anything. And he got totally used by those who put him there. The average redneck wants to have his gun, and his bible, and feel that as long as you can read the first, shoot the second, and say prayers, thats enough to make sure he enjoys paradise on earth, and paradise later on as well. And he hates smart arsed east coast lawyers and college folk that try an tell him otherwise.. Sorry bud, you are about discover hell on earth. > The new Volkswagen plant that they are building in Chattanooga will require > that the lowest employees have at least an associates degree. When I was [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > longer exists. Now I know why old folks don't mind dying. I never thought I > would get to that point. Oh yes, now you are seeing what dumbing down does. When you have the chinese and the mexicans doing all your work, why bother to learn how to do anything at all? Heck all you need is a colt 45, and a bible.. The 45 to shoot the Mexican with, and the bible to give you the right to do it. > My dreams for the colonization of Mars and orbiting colonies carved into > massive meteors that were harvested from slightly beyond Mars and pushed > into Earth orbit or into a Lagrange point, have disintegrated. Watch the Chinses and the Indians. > But enough of that. People get the government they deserve, so it is said. In an amoral sense, thats correct. They get the government and the slave masters they allow themselves to be saddled with. The US middle class is now enslaved to the banking system and addicted to spending. Sadly the pusher just ran out of smack. Withdrawal, is going to be hell. "They tried to make me go to rehab, and i said 'NO!NO!No!'" > Ed Cregger > Withdrawal, is going to be hell. > > "They tried to make me go to rehab, > and i said 'NO!NO!No!'" But she did eventually go, not that it did any good. mk >> Withdrawal, is going to be hell. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But she did eventually go, not that it did any good. > mk Indeed ;-) > You didn't want education. You mistrust education. Ive got education. I > get SLAMMED by rednecks. Who think they are just as good as I am. > > Watch the responses to this post by the likes of Six'o'clock dipshit.. Hey D.H.! You were doing just fine until the quoted section where you proved that you really are a D.H. as your signature block of years past said. Why are you crying that someone donkey punched you? Does your taint hurt or something? Cheers! >> You didn't want education. You mistrust education. Ive got education. I >> get SLAMMED by rednecks. Who think they are just as good as I am. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Cheers! I'm not crying. I am just pointing out that its people like you who are ultimately responsible in a Democratic society so called, for the utter mess we find ourselves in. Don't expect me to get you out of it. >>> You didn't want education. You mistrust education. Ive got education. I >>> get SLAMMED by rednecks. Who think they are just as good as I am. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Don't expect me to get you out of it. ------------ I love it when self-righteous ferrinerz point to us as though they are not involved in the problem as well. Folks, when America gurgles and farts, the rest of you get the runs and dry sh.ts. It happens every time. 8>) Ed Cregger On 10/26/08 2:45 AM, in article 1225014353.30201.1@proxy00.news.clara.net, >>> You didn't want education. You mistrust education. Ive got education. I >>> get SLAMMED by rednecks. Who think they are just as good as I am. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Don't expect me to get you out of it. Just more of your egotist fantasy. > Our educators (USA) have let us down. Don't blame the educators, Ed. First, look to the parents, who only are willing to buy things for their kids, rather than spending some time with them while they are young, reading books, and instilling values. Later on, they fail to provide discipline, or make sure the kid is doing his best at his/her studies. Also, the flurry of paperwork the state and feds insist that teachers keep up with means they will have less time for teaching, and more time teaching to the tests and filling out forms. Then they change it all every couple years... SignatureJim in NC >> Our educators (USA) have let us down. > Don't blame the educators, Ed. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > teaching to the tests and filling out forms. Then they change it all > every couple years... Would they be the same educators who encouraged my youngest son to quit school because he was completely bored by the curriculum that they provided? The same teachers who couldn't deal with the fact that he was being educated at home? Let's get real here. Geezer On 10/25/08 1:37 PM, in article OrLMk.287$225.113@nwrddc02.gnilink.net, >>> Our educators (USA) have let us down. >> Don't blame the educators, Ed. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > school > because he was completely bored by the curriculum that they provided? Would that be the boy who was so disruptive the teachers could not function? > The same teachers who couldn't deal with the fact that he was being educated > at home? > > Let's get real here. Yes, give it a try. > Geezer > On 10/25/08 1:37 PM, in article OrLMk.287$225.113@nwrddc02.gnilink.net, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Would that be the boy who was so disruptive the teachers could not > function? No, that would be the boy who slept during class or just never showed up for class. >> The same teachers who couldn't deal with the fact that he was being >> educated [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >> Geezer Yes, do give reality a try. Please. Our educators do what the state mandates and NOTHING MORE. My son went out and took his GED exam a week after quitting school. Straight A's across the board. And he made it a point to send a copy to the school principal and the board of education. Speaks pretty poorly about the educational system in my book. Geezer On 10/26/08 10:34 AM, in article ZS1Nk.506$225.254@nwrddc02.gnilink.net, >> On 10/25/08 1:37 PM, in article OrLMk.287$225.113@nwrddc02.gnilink.net, >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Geezer Possibly, but it also speaks of a boy who's parents let him believe his ability to learn was a license to be insulting or otherwise rude to people who didn't measure up to their standards. You seem to have raised an *almost* great kid. > On 10/26/08 10:34 AM, in article ZS1Nk.506$225.254@nwrddc02.gnilink.net, > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > who didn't measure up to their standards. You seem to have raised an > *almost* great kid. WOW, I can't believe what some people can read into a statement. [...] >My son went out and took his GED exam a week after quitting school. >Straight A's across the board. And he made it a point to send a copy to the >school principal and the board of education. >Speaks pretty poorly about the educational system in my book. Interesting. Perhaps you could explain how you reached that conclusion? That a child drops out of school and a week later passes his GED would seem to speak rather well of the education he received in said school...Unless you're claiming he gained a GED's worth of knowledge in that intervening week... > [...] >>My son went out and took his GED exam a week after quitting school. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > you're > claiming he gained a GED's worth of knowledge in that intervening week... He was so far ahead of everyone else in the class because of the education he received at home. He was bored out of his skull and the administration would do nothing to improve their curriculum. And don't forget he was told by the school to drop out. It was less trouble for them to eliminate the issue rather than deal with it. >> [...] >>>My son went out and took his GED exam a week after quitting school. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > trouble for them to > eliminate the issue rather than deal with it. As a husband of a teacher and myself being a poor student I have this to say to you: What are you flying these days? What plane, glow or electric? The weather in central Texas today was wonderful. I flew a bit and am at work now. I challenge all of you to hijack this tread to ON TOPIC. mk >>> [...] >>>>My son went out and took his GED exam a week after quitting school. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > I challenge all of you to hijack this tread to ON TOPIC. > mk Glow, usually Enya (I have a lot of Enyas from the 80's), usually in an old Jemco kit (BF109, P47, AT6), and a couple of Midwest Aerostar 40's modified for low wing. I just love the old Jemco kits. Geezer >> What are you flying these days? What plane, glow or electric? >> The weather in central Texas today was wonderful. I flew a bit and am at [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I just love the old Jemco kits. > Geezer You must be one of a kind. I had ONE Jemco kit (the AT6) and swore them off. I found it worse than the Nosen kits I have built. The wood was marginally better, but all other things suc..were below standard. >> On 10/25/08 1:37 PM, in article OrLMk.287$225.113@nwrddc02.gnilink.net, >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Geezer Its a feedback loop. The more people think eduation is for arseholes, and elect politicians who pander to that,and decide that creationism is the same as science, the more stupid the people get, and the more stupid the politicians that get elected, and meanwhile in the Real World (TM) things are going done the pan, but everybody is to stupid to notice. The real political debate is not left versus right, it's stupidity and ignorance versus intelligence and its application. In this country, the intelligent tend to vote conservative. In the USA the stupid vote Republican. That's more a function of the parties in question having been taken over by the purveyors of what people want to hear, and to hell with the truth or the real problems. >>> On 10/25/08 1:37 PM, in article OrLMk.287$225.113@nwrddc02.gnilink.net, >>> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > by the purveyors of what people want to hear, and to hell with the truth > or the real problems. ----------- It is always easier to judge a country that you do not live in. Simply absorb the spin of the local newsmedia and you are on your way to making idiotic statements about a country which you really know nothing about. The truly stupid folks in the USA do not vote, most of the time, though this election might be an exception, for reasons that I won't go into. I'm old enough to remember when our Democratic Party used to be conservative and our Republican Party used to be quite liberal (more educated/wealtheir folks). The "Jet Setters" of the 60's were Republicans. The common perception was the Jet Setters were above morals of any sort and that the majority of them were not religious for the most part. Then things changed the opposite way around. It used to be that Republicans wanted to take your guns. Next thing you know it was the Democrats that want to take away firearms. Now that both parties realize that threatening to take away personal weapons, or touching the Social Security system brings upon them their own political demise, it is likely that both issues will not be very prominent, regardless of who wins. I wouldn't say that the average IQ in either of our countries is as high as it used to be. Both our countries have permitted huge volumes of uneducated immigrants to settle amongst us in hopes of having them provide cheap labor. It has back fired upon both of us. As you know. Our cultural paradyms are rapidly changing. Soon, attending university will lose more and more prestige, while internet education will gain in popularity and utility. You and I are both dinosaurs TNP. I've chosen to focus my thoughts on things that I can do something about, such as designing/building/flying model airplanes. Let go of the bitterness. It will kill you prematurely. The only constant in life is change. Bend with the breeze of change or break and die. Which will it be? Ed Cregger >Its a feedback loop. The more people think eduation is for arseholes, eduation ?????????? what in hell is eduation ???? Now, You were saying WHAT??? >>> On 10/25/08 1:37 PM, in article OrLMk.287$225.113@nwrddc02.gnilink.net, >>> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > by the purveyors of what people want to hear, and to hell with the truth > or the real problems. Being ignorant is correctable through education. But, as you have proved time and time again, being stupid is a choice. The problem is not one of this or that party rather it is one of politicians prostituting the country's best interests. It happens all over the world and some of the most obvious events have been in jolly England. Unfortunately, we are not above that kind of stupidity either. >> Our educators (USA) have let us down. > Don't blame the educators, Ed. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > teaching to the tests and filling out forms. Then they change it all > every couple years... ------------- For the record, I'm not blaming the individual school teachers. I have much empathy for them and much appreciation. It is the folks at the national level who decide which and how subjects will be taught. If that makes any sense. Things such as "No one left behind" and similar nonsense. As you can tell, I am way out of my league, but I'm pissed that our kids cannot compete with those of other countries. Ed Cregger > For the record, I'm not blaming the individual school teachers. I have much > empathy for them and much appreciation. It is the folks at the national level > who decide which and how subjects will be taught. If that makes any sense. > Things such as "No one left behind" and similar nonsense. If only you knew the full depth of the problems, of the people that tell the schools what and how to teach. You would have every reason to be fully pissed. One other thing we need to do, is put up a one way gate for some kids. They should leave and not come back. Until attending school becomes a privilege, and not a right, there still will be problems to solve. > As you can tell, I am way out of my league, but I'm pissed that our kids > cannot compete with those of other countries. Some can. When you lump the whole lot of them into one basket, they sure can not. SignatureJim in NC >> Frankly its a pretty sorry bunch all round. The best of the bunch would >> seem to be Obama, since he's smart and slippery, and may just be smart [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > rod. The true rulers of the world, who happen to live in your country, by > the way, MM. There are no real rulers. I know what you are talking about, but they don't have a monopoly on people power, and their power depends on a myth..which is in the process of being bust wide open. Actually the real rulers of the world are probably the Chinese communist party. If you trace the money back far enough, that's who owns > 50% of the world. are and will continue to plod away, using one group of people to to > fight another group of people as they always have in the past. Divide and > conqueor. I don't play Democrats versus Republicans anymore. Even I out grow > some silly things. I decided a while back that it really makes no difference > who is in office. Nor do I care. Laudable and mature. Anyway we are up sh.t creek without much of a paddle now. Time to build more models, and at least there wont be much traffic on the roads..if we can afford to gas the tank.. > Ed Cregger |
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