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[Political] Frightening potential

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Red Scholefield - 25 Oct 2008 22:55 GMT
Cross City, FL

                                                                           
   October 25, 2008

Before I begin let me preface my statement by saying, it is not my intention
to offend anyone, I just feel this needs to be said.

I believe we, as American citizens, have become so embroiled in the Obama
vs. McCain, Democrat vs. Republican, conservative vs. liberal battle that we
have failed to see a looming threat. A threat so incredible none of us can
afford to ignore it.

Should, as some polls show, Senator Obama win the White House and the
Democratic Party gain the predicted strength in the Senate, we will have a
governmental situation that has never, to my knowledge, existed before. We
will have an absolutely liberal democrat as president, a staunchly liberal
and basically "bullet proof" Senate in conjunction with a near super
majority rubber stamp in the House of Representatives. Does the word
totalitarian ring a bell? Liberal is not all bad, just substitute the word
conservative for liberal in three places and the result is exactly the same.
Danger of this magnitude is not party line affiliated!!!

What I am speaking of nearly happened in 2000 and again in 2004 with the
Republican Party and President Bush. All of us have now seen the
unsatisfactory result of a nearly unstoppable juggernaut in the person of
the Republican Party for six of the last eight years. I qualify my "nearly"
statement by noting that the senate was never filibuster proof, the
Democrats maintained enough control to stop quite a bit of "conservative
excess".

Remember the wise words of historian and moralist John Emerich Edward
Dalberg Acton (1834-1902): "Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts
absolutely" (1887).  We have all seen the effect of power and corruption in
Government at all levels. How much more are we willing to tolerate?

We must not allow this power structure to exist, via Republican or
Democratic control, now or in the future. To do so would shred the very
fabric of the foundation of our Nation. The founders of our Nation designed
a form of government based on a specific system of checks and balances. To
have the legislative and executive branches in a parallel position of
absolute power would be extremely dangerous. Within such a situation the
judicial branch would soon follow as the appointment of impartial judges
would become an impossible task. And to enhance the impartial point, both
parties are complicit to the appointment of partial judges. Now, if that
statement is not true, why do we rail so vehemently about the type of Judge
President X or President Y will attempt to appoint? These railings indicate
that both parties are complicit to the bastardization of the judicial
selection process.

In the legislative arena,  if a piece of legislation is worth its salt it
should not be an impossible task to garner 60+ bipartisan votes to get it to
the President. If the legislation is not worth its salt it should be
impossible to garner the required votes. We have watched several instances
where the Republicans were unable recently to push legislation through the
Senate because, with the near 50/50 split, there were not enough votes to
insure cloture. This is a good thing; we probably did not need what they
pushed. By the same token, we must act within the next ten days to insure
the Democrats (in this particular instance) cannot gain that level of power.

James Bovard, Civil Libertarian (1994) explained this concept with great
clarity.

"Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what
to have for dinner."

Should the Democrats (or at another time the Republicans in concert with a
Republican President) emerge with a filibuster-proof 60+ votes in the
Senate, one of the brilliantly conceived checks and balances will be
negated. In a short time the judicial branch could easily be converted to
the Democrat (or Republican) line of legislation through the unstoppable
fiat of Presidential appointment and Senate confirmation.

At this point;

You and I lose any semblance of control over our government.

You and I face the very real prospect of becoming totally subservient to
that government!

There is NO REVERSAL possible, the Constitutional Government of United
States of America as we know it will be HISTORY!

Thomas Jefferson recognized this possibility nearly 200 years ago
expressing:

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough
to take everything you have."

The reason I write this is that I cannot comprehend how an American citizen
would willingly and knowingly present their elected representatives with
such a level of unrestrained power.

We must act decisively in this election and then we must pressure our
elected officials to enact legislation that will forever prevent the
potential for this threat to reappear.

This election is no longer an expression of disdain for the Bush
administration. This election is about change. We must be very cautious of
the change we select. In our fervor to change something we may unleash
forces we cannot control.

Never before in the history of America has your vote had such an enormous
implication. The future of our nation could well be decided by one vote.

I strongly encourage everyone, regardless of party affiliation or political
inclination, to carefully consider the ramifications of your vote. THEN
VOTE!!!

Donald E. Warhurst

Cross City, FL
David Hopper - 25 Oct 2008 23:11 GMT
Please don't open a can of worms. This is not a political forum.

Thanks,
David
daytripper - 25 Oct 2008 23:40 GMT
>Please don't open a can of worms. This is not a political forum.
>
>Thanks,
>David

That's not a can of worms. It's a can of crap...
Jim - 28 Oct 2008 15:22 GMT
I'll second that! TOTAL Crap.

> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:11:29 -0400, David Hopper
> <nospam0879@bellsouth.net>
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>
> That's not a can of worms. It's a can of crap...
The Natural Philosopher - 25 Oct 2008 23:39 GMT
> At this point;
>
> You and I lose any semblance of control over our government.

None of us have had more than a perfunctory once every few years sort of
control over it for decades.

> You and I face the very real prospect of becoming totally subservient to
> that government!

Twas ever thus.

> There is NO REVERSAL possible, the Constitutional Government of United
> States of America as we know it will be HISTORY!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough
> to take everything you have."

Fortunately no government can give me back my youth.

> The reason I write this is that I cannot comprehend how an American citizen
> would willingly and knowingly present their elected representatives with
> such a level of unrestrained power.

Maybe they decided that one bunch of cnuts was slightly more likely to
be acting in their interest than the other bunch of cnuts. Heck, its
worth a try.

> This election is no longer an expression of disdain for the Bush
> administration. This election is about change. We must be very cautious of
> the change we select. In our fervor to change something we may unleash
> forces we cannot control.

If you want more of the same, you know where to put your 'X'

> Never before in the history of America has your vote had such an enormous
> implication. The future of our nation could well be decided by one vote.
>
> I strongly encourage everyone, regardless of party affiliation or political
> inclination, to carefully consider the ramifications of your vote. THEN
> VOTE!!!

I am sure most people have done just that, and will vote accordingly.

I can assure you that after ten years of what you would call a liberal
government, the resulst in terms of a complete bloody mess, are just the
same here as they are there, under a laissez faire dickhead.

Unless you rewrite the constitution to:-

- remove all funding from politicins beyond $100 per donation
- require all members of any elected body to take an IQ test and ensure
they are above 50 on that scale
- require them to know how to spell, and add up simple numbers

nothing much will change.

Elections are basically a cost benefit exercise in buying as few people
as will get the power you want with the least possible outlay of cash.

Don't worry, red, big business has just fscked itself. There wont BE any
more money to buy politicians.

We will all sink into the new dark ages, broke busted and starving, but
secure in the knowledge that, finally, we have a democracy.

;-)
Ted Campanelli - 26 Oct 2008 00:51 GMT
Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not
so great) words of knowledge:

I hate to tell you, but it already too late.  Through Presidential
Directives everything is already in place to suspend the constitution
and declare martial law.  Expect martial law anytime between now an at
the very latest June 2009.

If you bother to check the ACLU, you will find out that 100 miles from
the borders of this country the Constitution has already been suspended.
DHS (Dept. Homeland Security) can do whatever they want in this 100 mile
buffer zone.

And the other poster is correct, this belongs in a political or survival
forum.

> Cross City, FL
>
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>
> Cross City, FL
Ed Cregger - 26 Oct 2008 02:02 GMT
> And the other poster is correct, this belongs in a political or survival
> forum.

-------------

Considering that this forum has nearly quit functioning entirely because of
lack of posts, I think the recent discussions, off topic as they may be, are
far better than nothing. Some ISPs drop forums that lack sufficient traffic.
At least AT&T (Bellsouth for me) is still carrying this forum.

Now, where did I put that Clipped Wing Monocoupe ARF? My Saito FG-125 is on
backorder and should be here fairly soon.

Ed Cregger
MJKolodziej - 26 Oct 2008 05:40 GMT
Update on the Sig Sundancer 50:
The builder could not gaurantee that he hardened the holes with CA where the
hardware went in the upper wing.  Sig would not replace anything.
SO, the second, Sundancer had been made sure to have CA hardened holes for
the hardware and it flies tomorrow.  (I'll bet he doesn't wring it out)
Mine is the third Sundancer and I'll wait until the results of tomorrow come
in to see what I'll do.

mk
The wing fluttering to the ground  and the fuse doing a dart is a
"frightening potential".

MJKolodziej wrote:
> It's hard to watch a plane come down without the wings, wings fluttering
> down gently and fuse plunging.
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> but I bet you've had a wing come off before.
> mk

My one in-flight failure (when I was flying a plane I'd just repaired
for someone else!!!  Right after I said "Hey, watch this"!!!!) was due
to a high-G maneuver plus a really badly-selected wing spar -- the grain
length was less than 1-1/2 inch across a 1/4" spar.

It may be worth while to talk your buddy with the broken plane into
letting the group see the wings with the covering off when he repairs it
-- seeing if it was an engineering fault or workmanship, and exactly
what the problem was, should help the rest of you figure out the right
modifications to undertake.

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Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

Ted Campanelli - 26 Oct 2008 16:04 GMT
Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not
so great) words of knowledge:

I have been fortunate.  My ONLY failure (so far) was with a SuperStar
trainer.

The wing folded in half during a nice, sedate level flight (about 1/2
throttle with an OS 46FX).  The plywood joiner was defective.  It looked
fine on the outside, but internally, it was cut clean through.  The only
thing holding it together was the 2 outer skins.

Tower did replace the plane though.  Both the club president and the LHS
where I bought it sent letters along with the "remains" to attest as to
what they felt the problem was.

> Update on the Sig Sundancer 50:
> The builder could not gaurantee that he hardened the holes with CA where the
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> what the problem was, should help the rest of you figure out the right
> modifications to undertake.
Doug McLaren - 28 Oct 2008 21:08 GMT
| Before I begin let me preface my statement by saying, it is not my
| intention to offend anyone

... but if it happens, tough?

Hint: if your post has to include an apology for your post, perhaps
you shouldn't have posted in the first place.

| I just feel this needs to be said.

Of course.  And Becky, she just had to email me to tell me that her
and her girlfriends are hot and wet and ready for me, all I need to do
is extend my penis two more inches, click here!

| A threat so incredible none of us can afford to ignore it.

Indeed.  Off topic posts!

Off topic posts are a bigger threat to this newsgroup than Obama, than
McCain, than electrics, than the Nintendo generation, than girls,
bigger than even Andrew Cuomo!  (Ok, maybe not that last one.)

Unless you're suggesting that the evil democrats are going to take our
planes, both the flying sorts and the wood-leveling sorts ... ?

| Donald E. Warhurst
| Cross City, FL

And what does Donald fly?  Electrics?  Glow planes?  Park fliers?
Gliders?  Does he build, or do ARFs?

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Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us
Smoke me a kipper; I'll be back for breakfast!

 
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