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Bob Cowell - 05 Jan 2009 21:42 GMT

In case your IQ (Insanity Quotient) is running a little low,,
http://www.extremelysmart.com/humor/howtofly.php
There, feel better now? ;-)

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Schiffner - 08 Jan 2009 05:56 GMT

> In case your IQ (Insanity Quotient) is running a little low,,http://www.extremelysmart.com/humor/howtofly.php
> There, feel better now? ;-)

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Ed Cregger - 11 Jan 2009 09:33 GMT

On Jan 5, 2:42 pm, Bob Cowell <b...@kdsi.net> wrote:

> In case your IQ (Insanity Quotient) is running a little
> low,,http://www.extremelysmart.com/humor/howtofly.php
> There, feel better now? ;-)

heh, been doing that for years now, it works just not when people are
watching me. I'm a bit shy when I fly... Now some people think I'm
insane for riding a 30 y/o Honda GL1000, slowly rebuilding a 1972
Suzuki T-500 (better than those Yamahas) I also ride the wifes brand
new 2009 Kawasaki EX250...damn thing is a giggle and a half. I have
been known to pass a gaggle (12) Honda CBX's on twisty mountain roads
here in Montana and ride for stupid lengths of time. That isn't
insane, that's as much fun as taking a new plane for it's first
flight.
--
Keith

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I still love motorcycles too. Problem is, my body doesn't. Too rickety and
weak to enjoy a decent sized motorcycle (my 800 is barely manageable - by
me). But my favorites were always 350 to 500 cc Gran Prix type street bikes
anyway. Too bad they stopped importing them.

The wife likes it much better when I forego the motorcycle for running a
model engine or flying a model. I wonder why? <G>

I just can't bring myself to sell my faithful Kawasaki VN800 Classic. I love
that thing. It actually sounds better than a Harley Vee-Twin at idle. Yes,
this is subjective - but true.

Ed Cregger

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Robert Scott - 11 Jan 2009 20:41 GMT

> I have been known to pass a gaggle (12) Honda CBX's on twisty mountain
> roads

here in Montana

CBX? You mean that shameless copy of the Benelli Sei that Honda tried to
claim as their own innovation (six years later)? I think I've seen three
or four of them in my life. You passed 12 of them in one place... on a
twisty mountain road where that bike would be at its absolute worst? Did
they SELL 12 of them? ;-)

Good luck with the Suzuki project. A buddy of mine had one of the later
GT380 triples and then the water-cooled GT750 triple. I always loved
two-stroke roadrace and street bikes (I raced a Yamaha RZ350 in WERA
competition for a couple of seasons) and wish they'd make a comeback.
Emission rules killed them, but there are new ways to improve two-stroke
emissions... the marine outboard motor industry made some interesting
breakthroughs (high-pressure direct fuel injection, IAPAC, catalytics,
etc.). Everyone should get the chance to experience that two-stroke street
bike rush.

Good flying,
desmobob

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Schiffner - 11 Jan 2009 21:04 GMT

> > I have been known to pass a gaggle (12) Honda CBX's on twisty mountain
> > roads
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> CBX? You mean that shameless copy of the Benelli Sei that Honda tried to
> claim as their own innovation (six years later)?

actually iirc correctly HONDA raced the 250cc 6cyl 4 stroke before
Benneli built the Sei. I could be wrong...it was before my time.

> I think I've seen three
> or four of them in my life. You passed 12 of them in one place... on a
> twisty mountain road where that bike would be at its absolute worst? Did
> they SELL 12 of them? ;-)

I've seen more than the dozen I saw. As for at their worst, only place
that bike is worth a damn imo in a straight line with no hills, no
dips, no curves and for damn sure no curves of any kind. Not even a
gentle chicane that a mini-van could handle at 90mph.

> Good luck with the Suzuki project.

I need it and I know it. Hell I not only have to build the injector
lines from scratch I've got to de-rust the fuel tank, oil tank and buy
a new oil tank sight glass (plastic actually). I MIGHT brace up the
swing arm to reduce flex not sure if I will or not. It is most
assuredly NOT going to be a resotoration. Considering either MX or
Clubman bars.

All is in flux and will likely change as I make it up as I go along.

--
Keith

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Robert Scott - 12 Jan 2009 05:05 GMT

On Jan 11, 1:41 pm, "Robert Scott" <desmo...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Schiffner" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>> CBX? You mean that shameless copy of the Benelli Sei that Honda tried to
>> claim as their own innovation (six years later)?

> actually iirc correctly HONDA raced the 250cc 6cyl 4 stroke before
> Benneli built the Sei. I could be wrong...it was before my time.

European motorcycle makers like Gilera, Moto Guzzi, BMW, MZ and MV Augusta
were very successfully racing several different multi-cylinder (2, 3, 4, 6,
8) designs for many years before Honda ever put a wheel on the track.

Gilera and MV Augusta absolutely dominated the Grand Prix racing "Golden
Age" of the 1950s with their overhead cam transverse fours almost 20 years
before Honda released its "unprecedented" CB750. MV ran a six-cylinder
version in the late '50s.

Honda didn't start fielding GP race bikes until '59 with a 125 twin. Their
later multi-cylinder bikes were very certainly nothing new. Their ability
to produce them in quantity at low cost WAS.

Good flying,
desmobob

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Schiffner - 12 Jan 2009 05:21 GMT

> On Jan 11, 1:41 pm, "Robert Scott" <desmo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
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> before Honda released its "unprecedented" CB750. MV ran a six-cylinder
> version in the late '50s.

It was unpresidented because they put a I4 750 on the market not the
race track iirc.

> Honda didn't start fielding GP race bikes until '59 with a 125 twin. Their
> later multi-cylinder bikes were very certainly nothing new. Their ability
> to produce them in quantity at low cost WAS.

Yeah, but nobody did it in a more ballsy manner than Moto Guzzi, A V8
500cc that was narrower than the competition.
--
keith

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Robert Scott - 12 Jan 2009 17:47 GMT

On Jan 11, 10:05 pm, "Robert Scott" <desmo...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Schiffner" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> >> > mountain
> >> > roads here in Montana

>> >> CBX? You mean that shameless copy of the Benelli Sei that Honda tried
>> >> to
> >> claim as their own innovation (six years later)?

>> > actually iirc correctly HONDA raced the 250cc 6cyl 4 stroke before
>> > Benneli built the Sei. I could be wrong...it was before my time.

>> European motorcycle makers like Gilera, Moto Guzzi, BMW, MZ and MV
>> Augusta
>> were very successfully racing several different multi-cylinder (2, 3, 4,
>> 6,
>> 8) designs for many years before Honda ever put a wheel on the track.

>> Gilera and MV Augusta absolutely dominated the Grand Prix racing "Golden
>> Age" of the 1950s with their overhead cam transverse fours almost 20
>> years
>> before Honda released its "unprecedented" CB750. MV ran a six-cylinder
>> version in the late '50s.

> It was unpresidented because they put a I4 750 on the market not the
> race track iirc.

That would be "unprecedented."

Interesting... your defense of the CBX not being a shameless copy of the
Benelli Sei was
"actually iirc correctly HONDA raced the 250cc 6cyl 4 stroke before Benneli
built the Sei."
The Europeans had been to the track and to the market with 4- and 6-cylinder
bikes before Honda.

Soichiro Honda was a genius, but no one can deny that the company relied
heavily on copycat designs for their early success.

Good flying,
desmobob

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Schiffner - 13 Jan 2009 05:00 GMT

> On Jan 11, 10:05 pm, "Robert Scott" <desmo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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