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Ed Cregger - 06 Jan 2009 19:14 GMT
No traffic on this newsgroup from my ISP for a while now. It makes me wonder
if my ISP is not passing posts along.

Today has been one of those soggy days that you see in the old Sherlock
Holmes movies of London. Not quite raining, but lots of moisture over
everything. Kind of a very light drizzle.

I've been a Lazy Bee fan for a while now. Haven't flown one, but I've owned
the kits of many Clancy aircraft off and on over the years. I started to
build the stock Lazy Bee once, but got stalled on the wingtips. I didn't
have the right size of coffee can for bending and forming the wingtips. I've
often thought of designing my own model with similar wing area and moments,
but eliminating the PITA parts of contruction for squarish, conventional
types of wingtips.

If anyone remembers Al Capp's Lil' Abner cartoon strip of many years ago,
there was a fellow that used to ride around the country side on a large
tricycle. It had an outhouse looking building sitting behind the driver and
the rear wheels looked like big Trexler inflatable doughnut tires. The Lazy
Bee styling always reminded me of that tricycle.

It wouldn't be difficult to design a model that flew very much like the Lazy
Bee, but would be simpler to build, minus the great appearance.

So what have you folks been up to?

Ed Cregger
oldcoot - 06 Jan 2009 19:40 GMT
Hi Ed
            Sounds like you're in the doldrums too.
             Damn, for 50 years i had never once thought about that
rolling outhouse in the Li'l Abner strip, but wasn't the guy's name
Humphery? People have built flying doghouses. Why not a flying outhouse?
You could name it Humphery. :-)
               The junta-from-within that's got our Country by the
throat has got me really, really down. It's beyond belief that in a
scant 6 decades it could come down to this, huh?

Bill (oc)
Ed Cregger - 11 Jan 2009 09:25 GMT
> Hi Ed
>             Sounds like you're in the doldrums too.
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>
> Bill (oc)

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Hi, Bill. Sorry for the delay in responding. I guess my first response
didn't make it to the group.

I think you are correct about the fellow's name that drove that trike
equipped with an outhouse.

I think that a lot of us (baby boomers especially), bought into the
Hollywood propaganda films described America as being. A little research
will reveal that our youthful impressions of what America was all about
never truly existed. Ask any Native or African American. We were sold a bill
of goods. Money has always ruled and probably always will. Along with power
comes discrimination. It's just the way of the world.

I've got "floater-itis" again. I'm never far from having a flair-up, to be
honest with you. While it is true that I do love fast, high performance
model airplanes, I also have a weakness for lazy flying, Panda-like handling
models. If it isn't the Lazy Bee, it's a Telemaster of one size or another.
Other favorite floaters are Ben Buckle's replicas of old time free flight
models  (with R/C assist, of course), the old M.E.N. Trainer 20
(undercambered airfoil equipped wing), etc.

One of the really neat things about being a modeler today is having access
to YouTube.com. One can usually find videos of most models available. They
would have helped me tremendously back in the early seventies as far as
keeping my will to build still alive. People tend to do things that they
think they do well. I've never been more than a mediocre builder. Some
videos showing the actual thing flying would have helpedme a great deal.

Ed Cregger
oldcoot - 11 Jan 2009 15:22 GMT
Ed G. wrote,

>I think you are correct about the fellow's
>name that drove that trike equipped with
>an outhouse.

It was the Humpherymobile, was it not?

Bill(oc)
Red Scholefield - 11 Jan 2009 16:46 GMT
The Humpherymobile was from the Joe Palooka comic strip circ 1950.

Red S.

> Ed G. wrote,
>
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>
> Bill(oc)
Ed Cregger - 11 Jan 2009 17:58 GMT
> The Humpherymobile was from the Joe Palooka comic strip circ 1950.
>
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>>
>> Bill(oc)

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Dang it, Red. Now you have me wondering. <G>

Ed Cregger
oldcoot - 11 Jan 2009 18:43 GMT
Double-dang it, Red. Then, were Humphery and the Humpheymobile  denizens
of the Joe Palooka strip and not Li'l Abner..?? Memory is a terrible
thing to lose.  :-)

Bill(oc)
David Hopper - 11 Jan 2009 20:12 GMT
>Double-dang it, Red. Then, were Humphery and the Humpheymobile  denizens
>of the Joe Palooka strip and not Li'l Abner..?? Memory is a terrible
>thing to lose.  :-)
>
>Bill(oc)

Google is your friend:

http://www.prices4antiques.com/toys/wind-up/Wind-Up-Wyandotte-Humphrey-Mobile-Ti
n-7-inch-B197120.asp


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Red Scholefield - 13 Jan 2009 21:41 GMT
That's why they invented Google. :-)

Red S.

> Double-dang it, Red. Then, were Humphery and the Humpheymobile  denizens
> of the Joe Palooka strip and not Li'l Abner..?? Memory is a terrible
> thing to lose.  :-)
>
> Bill(oc)
Morgans - 06 Jan 2009 20:02 GMT
> No traffic on this newsgroup from my ISP for a while now. It makes me
> wonder if my ISP is not passing posts along.

It has been very slow, with only perhaps 6 or so post per 24 hours.

> Today has been one of those soggy days that you see in the old Sherlock
> Holmes movies of London. Not quite raining, but lots of moisture over
> everything. Kind of a very light drizzle.

It sucks here in NC, too, with fog yesterday, then periods of heavy rain,
too.

> I've been a Lazy Bee fan for a while now. Haven't flown one, but I've
> owned the kits of many Clancy aircraft off and on over the years. I
> started to build the stock Lazy Bee once, but got stalled on the wingtips.
> I didn't have the right size of coffee can for bending and forming the
> wingtips.

Don't let the wingtips bog you down.  There are an infinite number of ways
to skin this cat.

I have built them with some scrap balsa, and made segments glued together,
wider, but shaped with the curve on the outside, with two layers built up,
with one piece laminating over the top of where the joint of the piece below
is placed.  Kinda like if you used wood to make a frame around the outside
of an octagon, using miter joints at the corners, then made another layer on
top, with the top miter joints being made halfway between the previous
corners, then cut and sand on the outside to make the curve.

I have done it using the thin strips to laminate multiple layers, also.  It
is indeed a very light way to make a strong curved structure.  The key to
me, is to get the wood correctly soaked.  I made a tube out of 1 1/2" PVC,
with a cap on one end, and on the other end a "test plug" (a rubber cork
with a big washer on both sides of the cork, and a bolt to squeeze and
expand the diameter of the cork) to make it water tight.  Then, put the
amonia and water in it along with the strips to soften over night.  After
the wood is so easy to bend and form, you can use almost any method to hold
it in place.

I made a form out of plywood the exact shape of the wingtip, and once out of
ceiling acoustical tile.  After stacking the soft wood on it, I have put
nails through the form, and rubber bands hooked over the wood and onto the
nails to hold it all while it dries.  I've also used duct tape.

I have also built them flat on a building board made out of cork or ceiling
tile, and used blocks of wood or nails to describe the shape, and either
nails or pins or blocks on the outside to hold it against the form nails.
After it has dried, it is easy to glue it together using the same method to
hold the shape.

At any rate, don't sweat the details; just get through the task.  If they
weigh more, it will not fly as quickly or quite as slowly, but it will still
fly quite well with a big enough engine.  I used an OS FP.15.  I have flown
in35 MPH wind (at the beach) and with a heavy cheap 35 mm autowind camera,
and standard servos and receiver and a 4 ounce fuel tank full, using
standard weight covering.  It still flies.

Another mod I made was with the landing gear.  I made landing gear with
1/16" wire, with it bolted to the bottom, with the axles about 3" lower than
the standard placement, with no straight through solid axle.  I did that to
get more angle of attack to get it flying at a slower speed, and to get the
whole thing up so it could take-off out of tall grass.  I also made the
wheel spacing a little wider, to make for more stable ground handling.

>I've often thought of designing my own model with similar wing area and
>moments, but eliminating the PITA parts of contruction for squarish,
>conventional types of wingtips.

Nothing wrong with that, but I think the looks would suffer, and perhaps
some of the flying characteristic, to an extent.

> If anyone remembers Al Capp's Lil' Abner cartoon strip of many years ago,
> there was a fellow that used to ride around the country side on a large
> tricycle. It had an outhouse looking building sitting behind the driver
> and the rear wheels looked like big Trexler inflatable doughnut tires. The
> Lazy Bee styling always reminded me of that tricycle.

Yep.  My family calls it my "Cartoon Plane."

> It wouldn't be difficult to design a model that flew very much like the
> Lazy Bee, but would be simpler to build, minus the great appearance.

Nope.  Experiment away.  I also beefed up some of the fuselage joints, and
made it tougher.  Try too keep the weight under control, though I know I
said they would still fly.  I just got tired of fixing joints, so I made it
so it would not break the first time.

I have lost track of how many of them I have built.  They are my favorite
planes to fly when the wind gets up, or when you don't feel getting too
fancy.  It is fun to hover to a landing, or to fly backwards.

> So what have you folks been up to?

Finally got a HDTV, so been setting it up, and had to modify the built in
cabinet where it sits.  Loads of fun.  It is about time I got building on
one of my awaited or half done projects, soon, after I get done modifying
and organizing my shop.

Take care, or any way you can get it!
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 06 Jan 2009 20:42 GMT
>No traffic on this newsgroup from my ISP for a while now. It makes me wonder
>if my ISP is not passing posts along.

You can always check what you see through your ISP
against Google Groups:

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?as_ugroup=rec.models.rc.air

>Today has been one of those soggy days that you see in the old Sherlock
>Holmes movies of London. Not quite raining, but lots of moisture over
>everything. Kind of a very light drizzle.

It's gotten up to 30 F in Buffalo.  Some snow and freezing
rain expected overnight.

>I've been a Lazy Bee fan for a while now.

I destroyed an 8-foot Bee built by a friend in two days:

http://moleski.net/rc/b4aftr5.htm

I still feel miserable about that.  It was a lot of fun.

>So what have you folks been up to?

Finishing some school work and getting the second
edition of the manuscript of my third book ready
for the copy shop.  I've been doing some mental
modeling and may actually take a few steps to
turn the ideas into reality Any Day Now.

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Morgans - 07 Jan 2009 04:25 GMT
> I've been doing some mental
> modeling and may actually take a few steps to
> turn the ideas into reality Any Day Now.
>
> Marty

So I'm not the only one to build in my head, before cutting wood, huh?

Many times, I never write down the first detail, but just build as I saw and
planned it, from what I saw in my head.  It is a fun mental exercise, to me.

So what is developing in your mental drafting department?
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 07 Jan 2009 05:14 GMT
>So I'm not the only one to build in my head, before cutting wood, huh?

Nope.  :o)

>Many times, I never write down the first detail, but just build as I saw and
>planned it, from what I saw in my head.  It is a fun mental exercise, to me.

I haven't built anything without SOME drawings (yet).

>So what is developing in your mental drafting department?

1. The wing plan for Mad Dog II.  I've got the cores cut
but I have to lay out the flaps, ailerons, and servo boxes.

2. Airbrushing the Renegade and prepping it for test flights.
It's at the horrible stage of being 95% finished.

3. Deciding what to do with my second-hand Ultimate.  I'm
leaning toward ripping off the covering (Ultracote) and
recovering it.  I think the Ultracote should come off OK.

4. Messing with engine assignments.  Should I put the
Saito four-stroke gasser (36cc) into the Patty Wagstaff
and move the MVVS 35cc into the UltraSport 1000?  Or
should I take the Saito 1.80 from the Stick and use
it on the UltraSport?  Will a Saito .91 fly the
UltraSport OK or do I have to get a 1.20 of some
kind?  Should I build the Great Planes Extra 300
kit around the big gasser and leave the Wagstaff
ARF alone?  It ain't broke (yet).

Those are at the top of the list.  **BUT FIRST**
I have to wrap up the next version of the manuscript
for RST 101.  Classes start next Monday.

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zen@lanset.com - 10 Jan 2009 02:14 GMT
I accidentally found this newgroup on an RC forum (www.RCgroups.com). A
you guys must know there is a ton of activity on dedicated web sites an
a lot of people today don't even know that usenet news exists!

Regards,

Zen

www.ABCheli.co

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Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 10 Jan 2009 03:43 GMT
>I accidentally found this newgroup on an RC forum (www.RCgroups.com). As
>you guys must know there is a ton of activity on dedicated web sites and
>a lot of people today don't even know that usenet news exists!

Yes, I know it well.

Once upon a time (in the 1980s) there was Fidonet and any
number of bulletin board systems for dial-in exchange along
with (the) usenet (Usenet, USENET).  I'm sure some cultural
archeologists could pinpoint the peak with greater accuracy,
but I'd guess the time when usenet newsgroups dominated
computer-assisted conversations was somewhere between the Great
Renaming (1987) and the September that Never Ended (1993).

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=history:timeline

The fear during those years was that usenet would become
so popular that servers could not keep up with the traffic.
Hardware followed Moore's law and stay ahead of the surge,
even including the strain imposed on the system by binaries,
spam, and the cancel wars.  That was what was behind the
death of usenet posts in the 1980s and early 1990s.

I found my way to this newsgroup in November of 1995.
Derek Koopowitz replied to my first post:

<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.models.rc.air/browse_thread/thread/dea5df7dbe
453ca9?hl=en&q=author:moleski%40canisius.edu#c74936833e0832ce
>

I'm now working with Derek on a website for pattern pilots:

http://nsrca.us

I guess I'm officially part of the problem.  :o(

                    Marty

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zen@lanset.com - 11 Jan 2009 21:47 GMT
Martin X. Moleski, SJ Wrote:
> I found my way to this newsgroup in November of 1995.
> Derek Koopowitz replied to my first post:
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>
> Marty

Nice Joomla! web site Marty. I have tried to get acquainted with tha
CMS but so far keep getting tangled up in its proprietary terminolog
and conventions

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Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 11 Jan 2009 23:11 GMT
>> http://nsrca.us

>Nice Joomla! web site Marty. I have tried to get acquainted with that
>CMS but so far keep getting tangled up in its proprietary terminology
>and conventions.

Other than Dokuwiki (which is very different), Joomla! is the
first CMS I've set up and worked with on the inside.  

It's not bad, all things considered.  

I played a little bit with PHPNuke and have seen a demo of
Drupal.  I understand how someone coming from a different
Content Management System could find Joomla! confusing.

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