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rmaheuxr@bellsouth.net - 16 Jan 2009 15:22 GMT
My first RC plane is a 3 channel carbon fiber and ripstop slow flyer.
Between it and RF G-3.5, it is still flyable after 15+ flights and I can
usually land it where I intend.  Great fun!

Now, I'm thinking about my second model, which I want to have ailerons.  I'm
looking at a park flyer - specifically, the Wasp
(http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/160521.asp).  It can be built as a 3
channel with dihedral or a straight winged 4 channel plane with ailerons.
What would happen if I built it with both?

TIA, Randy
Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 16 Jan 2009 17:18 GMT
>My first RC plane is a 3 channel carbon fiber and ripstop slow flyer.
>Between it and RF G-3.5, it is still flyable after 15+ flights and I can
>usually land it where I intend.  Great fun!

>Now, I'm thinking about my second model, which I want to have ailerons.  I'm
>looking at a park flyer - specifically, the Wasp
>(http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/160521.asp).  It can be built as a 3
>channel with dihedral or a straight winged 4 channel plane with ailerons.
>What would happen if I built it with both?

Dihedral tends to cause the airplane to bank when yawed
and to return to wings-level flight when the yaw input
is removed.

Dihedral will probably tend to reduce the effectiveness
of the ailerons.  Lots of airplanes have both dihedral
and ailerons.  Building the flat wing will help separate
the yaw-roll controls (rudder and aileron) from each
other.

I'd recommend making a commitment to learning how ailerons
work.  Build the wing flat and go for it.  :o)

                Marty
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Randy - 17 Jan 2009 13:10 GMT
Martin, I just remembered what caused my hair line to recede.... smacking my
forehead when the obvious dawns!  Thank you, I'll take your advice.  Going a
step further, if I understand yaw and lift in a dihedral wing, then the
removable leading edge "droops" that some flat winged aileron trainers come
equipped with serve a function similar to dihedral.

>>My first RC plane is a 3 channel carbon fiber and ripstop slow flyer.
>>Between it and RF G-3.5, it is still flyable after 15+ flights and I can
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> Marty
Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 17 Jan 2009 13:36 GMT
>Martin, I just remembered what caused my hair line to recede.... smacking my
>forehead when the obvious dawns!  Thank you, I'll take your advice.

Let us know how it turns out.  Nothing like a
little reality check to help trim the wild
unruly growth of theories.  :o)

> Going a
>step further, if I understand yaw and lift in a dihedral wing, then the
>removable leading edge "droops" that some flat winged aileron trainers come
>equipped with serve a function similar to dihedral.

I don't think so, although I haven't examined the
droops myself.

The kind of droop device I am imagining is the leading edge
cuff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_edge_cuff

This is symmetrical on both sides of the plane and doesn't
introduce any dihedral effects (i.e., the cuff isn't itself
tapered from root to tip).  What it does is increase
lift and drag.  This means that the stall speed of the
aircraft will be lower as well as the top speed--the
entire flight envelope is shifted toward the lower end
of the spectrum which, arguably, is good for beginners.
When the cuffs are taken off, the plane has to be
landed faster and may be flown faster which, arguably,
is good for intermediate pilots.

Or the droops may be the equivalent of leading
edge slots:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_edge_slot

Some airliners have got moveable leading edge slats.
You can watch them come out as the plane is configured
for landing.  

You can see several photos of the leading edge slats
of the F-100 Super Sabre on this page:

http://www.f-100.org/hun007.shtml

These slats would come out at low speeds to allow
slower landings but would retract at higher speeds
to reduce drag.

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Ed Cregger - 17 Jan 2009 17:40 GMT
>>Martin, I just remembered what caused my hair line to recede.... smacking
>>my
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> Marty

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As Marty has pointed out, leading edge slats are more of a low speed
enhancing feature.

Dihedral is a stabilizing feature, helping keep the aircraft flying with its
wings level with the horizon and coincidentally keeping the aircraft's
flight path somewhat in a straight line.

Ed Cregger
 
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