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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / January 2009RC Report - not dead yet
The following message was received from Tony Stillman, AMA Dist V VP. It appears it will be an online version to be hosted by RC Universe http://www.rcuniverse.com/ All: As I reported to you, RC Report has closed as a magazine. However, Tony Coberly is going to re-release it in an ONLINE VERSION! I have already agreed to continue to write the RADIO RAMBELINGS column for him, and others are joining up now. When I have more news, I will pass it along. Please let your friends that take RC REPORT know! Tony Stillman, President Radio South, Inc. 139 Altama Connector, Box 322 Brunswick, GA 31525 1-800-962-7802 www.radiosouthrc.com > The following message was received from Tony Stillman, AMA Dist V VP. It > appears it will be an online version to be hosted by RC Universe Does the fact that it will be hosted by RCU mean its much vaunted independence from supplier influence will be adversely affected ? I only ask because posts on RCU which are critical of products whose importers/manufacturers support the site are very often subjected to "editing".  SignatureBoo >> The following message was received from Tony Stillman, AMA Dist V VP. It >> appears it will be an online version to be hosted by RC Universe [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > importers/manufacturers support the site are very often subjected to > "editing". > I only ask because posts on RCU which are critical of products whose > importers/manufacturers support the site are very often subjected to > "editing ROFLOL! Somehow I think this paragraph overwhelms the first one. >> The following message was received from Tony Stillman, AMA Dist V VP. It >> appears it will be an online version to be hosted by RC Universe [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > importers/manufacturers support the site are very often subjected to > "editing". ---------- I haven't noticed any editing of my posts on RCU when I make less than positive comments about products and their suppliers. We're talking about reasonable, non emotional complaints that are based upon fact. In fact, I have received help from manufacturers/distributors that might otherwise not have been available. Call someone an offensive name, deride their personality, yes, you will be edited. Do it too frequently and you will be suspended. Persist at it and you will be banned. I see nothing wrong with that at all. The owner(s) is/are trying to make a living. If one walks into a pizzeria and begins acting loud, offensive and cursing, see how long it takes to be escorted off the premises. Same thing. Ed Cregger >>> The following message was received from Tony Stillman, AMA Dist V VP. >>> It appears it will be an online version to be hosted by RC Universe [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Ed Cregger Ed, while you are right on target I seriously doubt that is what Boo was talking about. Yes, I have been aware of edited posts for a few years on RCU and that is why I am no longer active there. Jim Branaum AMA 1428 >>>> The following message was received from Tony Stillman, AMA Dist V VP. >>>> It appears it will be an online version to be hosted by RC Universe [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Jim Branaum > AMA 1428 The editing and disappearing posts at RCU is disturbing. I left RCU in the dust for RC Groups a long while back, and I know a lot of others did the same. Good flying, desmobob >>>>> The following message was received from Tony Stillman, AMA Dist V VP. >>>>> It appears it will be an online version to be hosted by RC Universe [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Good flying, > desmobob ----------- I guess one of the advantages of having a poor short term memory is not remembering what you posted within the last day or two. Besides, once one gets past the "freedom of speech" thing and realizes that it is not and never has been advertised as being a truly open forum, it is a little easier to accept the restrictions. Having the right to constantly hammer on individuals or companies that tick one off is not something that is conducive to having a site that will attract good advertisement income. It IS a business, like it or not. It took me a long while to make the adjustment and there were more than a few times when I closed my accout. Eventually, I began not to take my freedom of speech seriously enough to cheat myself of making friends around the world. I have absolute freedom of speech here, but if you'll notice, there are no advertisers, no videos, no tach reading columns, no worldwide classified ads capabilities, etc. To each his own, I suppose. I like RC Groups and RC Hangout too. Neither of which will let you get away with what you can get away with here on rec.models.rc.air. Don't believe me? Just try it some time. They have advertisers too. As a young man, I would have made a great revolutionary. Always looking for a fight or a cause. Now, I'll just defer and let the folks have it their way. Oh, one last thing, and no one is expected to agree. That is your choice. Moderators come and go on these commercial gathering places. I had a problem with one that made me quit several times (I nuked my account). Today he has mellowed and doesn't bother folks much at all. For a while there, he was flat out obnoxious. One day while carousing You Tube, I ran across a video of him at the flying field. I was shocked to discover that this fellow was a grand sort of guy and that he was just the sort that I would have paled (sp?) around with were we in the same R/C Club. What a shock that was to me. Here, the big two horned devil that had made my life miserable on a certain R/C forum wasn't such a bad guy after all. I think that I mellowed considerably after that myself. Maybe that's why I haven't closed an account in a year or two. 8>) Ed Cregger >>>>>> The following message was received from Tony Stillman, AMA Dist V VP. >>>>>> It appears it will be an online version to be hosted by RC Universe [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > Ed Cregger You're just too nice a guy to let stuff like that bother you, Ed! That's why you're still there. :-) I can understand the need for moderating on a forum like RCU and certainly respect their right to do so, but what I experienced wasn't "moderation," it was beyond that. I have honestly forgotten the specifics by now, but I can tell you that it upset me enough to bail out, and that is the only web forum I've ever left in disgust (and I'm one of those guys with too many hobbies and no television; I spend a lot of time on my favorite hobby forums). The site is a huge source of information and can be extremely useful, but I'd prefer to stay clear of them now. As for RC Report, I'd really like to believe they'll end up back in print at some time. How could you not succeed with honesty, humor, and technical expertise? I don't know the first thing about the magazine business though, so it may just be wishful thinking. Good flying, desmobob (who survived the -28F temps the other night and is very anxious for Spring!) >> Ed, while you are right on target I seriously doubt that is what Boo was >> talking about. Yes, I have been aware of edited posts for a few years on >> RCU and that is why I am no longer active there. >> >> Jim Branaum >> AMA 1428 -------------- Then I really don't understand, Jim. Care to elaborate? Or just let it die? Ed Cregger >>> Ed, while you are right on target I seriously doubt that is what Boo was >>> talking about. Yes, I have been aware of edited posts for a few years [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ed Cregger I departed RCU as a regular poster several years ago when one of the moderators edited my post to say something other than what I had written solely to fit his views of the world of model aviation. No vendor was involved, no commercial accounts were involved, and the back channel discussion I had about that subject with his boss was unproductive and displeasing. My very public departure was my choice and remains so even though I have run into the moderator elsewhere. I guess it wouldn't have bothered me quite so much had there not been a bunch of jerks always threatening me with lawsuits for things I did write only to be told by their legal counsel that I was on firm ground. With others editing my posts there was no certainty that would always remain so. My lawyers suggested the departure on the grounds that I could be sued by some stupid jerk over something I did not write. Jim Branaum AMA 1428 >>>> Ed, while you are right on target I seriously doubt that is what Boo >>>> was talking about. Yes, I have been aware of edited posts for a few [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Jim Branaum > AMA 1428 ----------- I had forgotten about that, Jim. Not that I knew the whole story anyway. Lots of old timers have left that site. Sorry to see them go. They added a lot to the overall personality of the site. But a man has to do what a man has to do, I suppose. Ed Cregger >>>> Ed, while you are right on target I seriously doubt that is what Boo was >>>> talking about. Yes, I have been aware of edited posts for a few years [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > My lawyers suggested the departure on the grounds that I could be sued by > some stupid jerk over something I did not write. Now why does this not surprise me? |
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