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> From: Tony
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> limiting their terms! Most want to protect their turf and are unwilling
> to step down as they feel that AMA cant operate without me. This
is
> one of the last strongholds of the good ol boy barrier that some
EC
> members have been trying to break down. Well, that time may have
> finally come, with the help of the Leader Members.
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In all the clubs I've ever been in, you selected the officers from a
small pool of candidates that had the word "sucker" tattooed on their
foreheads. The challenge wasn't to limit terms, but rather to scrape up
enough folks to vote in an entire slate every year -- in fact, officers
were had the highest motivation to seek out new members, because those
would be the folks who hadn't yet realized the level of work vs. the
level of thanklessness involved in being involved.
But then, I've never been involved in anything as big as the AMA...

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Ed Cregger - 19 Jan 2009 19:21 GMT
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>> From: Tony
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> But then, I've never been involved in anything as big as the AMA...
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Term limits are favored by those that wish to circumvent the will of the
voting membership. The membership should have the ability to vote, or not
vote, for folks as many times as they wish, as far as I'm concerned.
Ed Cregger
notruthless - 20 Jan 2009 10:42 GMT
> Term limits are favored by those that wish to circumvent the will of the
> voting membership. The membership should have the ability to vote, or not
> vote, for folks as many times as they wish, as far as I'm concerned.
Occasions arise where the voting membership has dwindled to the point
that only a few even bother to vote anymore for whatever reason
(alienation, apathy, tired of dealing with single mindedness,
unwillingness to tolerate change, etc.) and those that do are able to
push their own agenda or those of their cronies. In Southern parlance,
the "good ol' boys" get to run the show for as long as they want.
Term limits, at the very least, offer the opportunity for some members
to think there might be changes in the future rather than a single
path to the same thing.
Chris
Red Scholefield - 20 Jan 2009 17:49 GMT
Consider this when thinking about term limits. There has been ample
opportunity to dump the good old boys as evidenced by the number of time
setting members of the AMA EC have run unopposed. Your excuses for not
voting (alienation, apathy, tired of dealing with single mindedness,
unwillingness to tolerate change, etc.) omitted one very important factor.
Negligence on the part of the electorate to become informed and then take
action!
Red Scholefield
AMA 951 Dist. V
Leader Member/CD
Bob Cowell - 20 Jan 2009 18:52 GMT
consider also that it is DAMN hard to vote someone OUT when they run unopposed.
the ballot needs a "none of the above" box
>Consider this when thinking about term limits. There has been ample
>opportunity to dump the good old boys as evidenced by the number of time
>setting members of the AMA EC have run unopposed
Ed Cregger - 30 Jan 2009 09:32 GMT
> consider also that it is DAMN hard to vote someone OUT when they run
> unopposed.
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>>opportunity to dump the good old boys as evidenced by the number of time
>>setting members of the AMA EC have run unopposed
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Obviously, there is no one perfect answer to suit all situations. I was for
term limits for a long period of time in my life and the "good old boys"
syndrome was the reason why.
I spoke with a much older and wiser club member who was against term limits.
He convinced me that it was the lesser evil of all of the alternatives. I
can't articulate exactly why I changed my mind, but I have.
A club that my wife belongs to, and which she has been president of three
times in the last five years, faced a the situation of having no one running
for president when my wife decided to back off and do other things. She
simply did not have the time to babysit everyone and think of new projects
for them to work on. The membership consists of very nice and talented
people, all of whom would have been a suitable president for one or two
terms. Finally, with a bit of a push from my wife, someone was talked into
running, but it very nearly didn't happen. The club would probably have
disbanded had not this one person come forward and volunteered to hold the
office of president. It's pretty sad, but this is what we get when religions
emphasize that one should lack pride (confidence) and should not be
competitive or assertive. Fortunately, the men down here do not seem to
suffer from the same malady.
Ed Cregger